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Edited by strondbokken: 9/18/2014 9:03:43 PM
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No Matchmaking for Endgame Raids? Buh Bye, Destiny....

Sorry, but this is the deal breaker for me and millions of others I've seen flaming this incredibly poor decision. First off, THIS IS NOT AN MMO. It lacks all the things you need to get a good judge of who you are raiding with as well and has no way to meet people. Second, even if I DID want to meet randoms, how can I? No public chat, no way to communicate at all, no way to do anything except "dance" or "wave". I've heard their lead developer "defend" this decision, as all out-of-touch executives do. "Our raids are so hard, you'll NEED 6 people that are friends blah blah blah". Sorry, but a "hard" raid doesn't always add up to an enjoyable experience. Are these raids harder than the legendary MMO raids that grouped strangers in raids for decades? Doubt it. And please stop making us sound like antisocial losers for wanting to try it with strangers. You guys at Bungie sound like an overbearing dungeon master in D&D and it's really poor form, especially since every Destiny forum is filled with "LFG" posts for VoG. Now, what you've done is put the nail in the coffin for 99% of your user base. I've been in love with this game up until yesterday, when I realized that even with my fancy legendary and exotic weapons, all I could do without 5 other "friends" was the same old lvl 24 strike for the millionth time. Not much fun. The same levels and the same bosses over and over just with higher levels? So much potential wasted by people who have no idea what people really want. 6/10 right now, just like to rest of the world is saying. Hoping for improvement. Great gameplay, but not much else to keep its hooks in you. Everything else looks like it was done by the MMO B Team. PvP needs work too, but that will come in time I'm sure. Gonna miss the game, but what's the point in playing when you are already grinding repetitively in the first week and there's no change on the horizon? ALSO, please explain to me how LFG posts on random forums are a batter way to do this than adding matchmaking? STILL random people. Not friends, just people without 5 active friends (just like me) who want to do the content. Silly if you ask me. UPDATE: So I took the advice of those saying "I have poor social skills in games" (let's ignore the irony in that for a second) and started adding random people that were good in Strikes, people I met, whatever. Added over 50 people in the past few days. And guess what? Maybe 5 of them are online at a time. Even in the clans I 'm in. And out of those 5, maybe ONE will answer when I send a message to raid. Maybe. With no social tools, no public chat, no clan management, and these "incredibly hard raids" that Bungie seems to be SO proud of, they've essentially pissed off many people instead of making this fun for anyone. First off, what is the point of making a raid THAT hard? Does it make your developer epeen stiffen up to see people wipe 1,600 times? Pandemonium was like that in FFXI and it was a laughing stock. Nobody liked it. And second, where is the other content for those of us who don't have 15+ hours to raid per week? There are no other dungeons/raids besides the ones on repeat in strikes. Boring. Even WoW had at least a half dozen random dungeons you could so between levels 40-60 at launch. They also had numerous mobs instead of 4 factions with 4 different mobs in each. I'm now level 27. More than adequately geared for a raid. Strikes are the most mundane thing ever now, since I've done them so many times. I've farmed for legendary engrams, I've gotten rep up with several factions. I've got some exotic weapons (though none of them are that great outside of pvp - shotguns, etc.). I'm literally pretty much out of stuff to do and it's only been a week. Yes, I play a lot, but come on. There should be at least something to do other than grind. Aside from Ascendant Shards, there's not much more I need to increase my gear anyway. And where's my motivation to increase it when I can easily kill everything EXCEPT what's in the raid which I can't find people for? Also, Bungie, if you're going to be this obtuse about our player abilities, then at least add some sort of clan management system in game. Why does the game with the biggest budget ever still have us posting "LFG for VoG": on random forums? Why do we need to leave game to even see what our own clan is doing? And why are we supposed to get hyped about the next xpac when we can't even enjoy this one? I bet maybe 1% of the player pop has even tried VoG. Nobody wants to even give it a shot now because it's so hard. I'm sure I'll continue to get flamed on this post by kids younger than some of the dents in my car, but the fact remains that this game, although an epic achievement, has missed the mark entirely on what it needs to keep people involved for more than a month. Sure, it's a new game, but the old "new games are always lacking, buggy, etc." argument is no longer valid. Only in the gaming industry is this acceptable and it needs to stop. You have $500,000,000 invested in this. Surely you could have taken .0001% of that to hire decent writers and some immersion? Wishful thinking I guess... I really hope a Bungie dev reads this and takes it to heart, but they won't. So, I guess I'll just hold my breath in the hopes that they are aware of how unhappy everyone is and do something about it. I love this game and I see so much potential in it. But for god's sake, PLEASE stop trying to reinvent the wheel at every turn. Some things just work. Leave them be and put more effort into decent writing and immersion. This game will never live up to its potential without it.
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  • The only reason i disagree with not having match making for raids is not everyone can get 5 others with zero priorities for a couple hours. And in turn this will just end up locking many many people out simply because of that.

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    • The reason there's no matchmaking for raids is because, how would it work? The lead clan finished the raid in what, 7 hours I think was the time? Would a game of randoms really stay for 7 hours just playing? You wouldn't be able to do the save feature for the raid, because what are the chances of finding those randoms again? The only way to do the raid is to have 5 people you can communicate with OUT SIDE THE GAME so that you can all find a time to be on for 10-20 hours of a week, that's why they don't have raid matchmaking, and besides, you'd end up rading with a bunch of level 20 randoms with all green gear and they'd die every ten seconds.

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      • The only question is how stubborn Bungie is going to be about it. Personally, I'd just let people play the damn game and get rid of this nonsense of having 6 people so strictly tied together. Matchmaking, personal waypoints and fireteam voice chat. Problem solved.

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        • This dude thinks he speaks for 99% of the Destiny fan base. Haha.

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          • Better game without you.

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          • Edited by DAARDEVIL: 9/17/2014 5:15:55 PM
            I don't think there's MILLIONS upset about matchmaking for raids. MAYBE a couple hundred. I'm definitely not, I'll be playing with all my friends, dad, or brothers.

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          • [quote]Sorry, but this is the deal breaker for me and millions of others I've seen flaming this incredibly poor decision. First off, THIS IS NOT AN MMO. It lacks all the things you need to get a good judge of who you are raiding with as well and has no way to meet people. Second, even if I DID want to meet randoms, how can I? No public chat, no way to communicate at all, no way to do anything except "dance" or "wave". I've heard their lead developer "defend" this decision, as all out-of-touch executives do. "Our raids are so hard, you'll NEED 6 people that are friends blah blah blah". Sorry, but your raids are not THAT hard. Are they harder than the legendary MMO raids that grouped strangers in raids for decades? Doubt it. And please stop making us sound like antisocial losers for wanting to try it with strangers. You guys at Bungie sound like an overbearing dungeon master in D&D and it's really poor form. Now, what you've done is put the nail in the coffin for 99% of your user base. I've been in love with this game up until yesterday, when I realized that even with my fancy legendary and exotic weapons, all I could do without 5 other "friends" was the same old lvl 24 strike for the millionth time. Not much fun. The same levels and the same bosses over and over just with higher levels? No, I think I'll just chalk this one up as the over-hyped POS that it really is. So much potential wasted by people who have no idea what people really want. 6/10 just like to rest of the world is saying. Great gameplay, but not much else to keep its hooks in you. Everything else looks like it was done by the MMO B Team. PvP needs work too. Gonna miss the game, but what's the point in playing when you are already grinding repetitively in the first week and there's no change on the horizon? ALSO, please explain to me how LFG posts on random forums are a batter way to do this than adding matchmaking? STILL random people. Not friends, just people without 5 active friends (just like me) who want to do the content. Silly if you ask me.[/quote] AGREE!!! Preach son preach It's absolute bullshit

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            • I agree completely. I think its funny that many people talk down at this viewpoint telling you to go find a group on another website when that achieves the exact same thing that matchmaking would. This really is a major design oversight.

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            • First day of raid got a bunch of Randoms. We made it to the final boss before we took a break. It cam be done with Randoms, bends matchmaking, and that's proof for all of you whiners that say it can't be done with Randoms.

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            • While I do think the lack of being able to communicate is a GLARING negative - I don't think having a pub que for raids is a good idea. Difficult and intriguing content rarely happens in random group format. Do I think they need to do more to facilitate FINDING groups - Clans, comms, etc. - absolutely. I've always personally found one of the best aspects of MMO's is grouping with people who have similar in-game goals that start out as a mutual benefit and turn into real friendship. Regardless of your stance on the topic, we're kind of stuck for now. Voicing your opinion on the forum is a great and necessary part of making this game better and I certainly appreciate that - but don't let that keep you from trying things on your own! This game is based on being an MMO at it's core so it will be what you make of it, ya feel me? Add people who do well in strikes (ie, don't stand in the FPS fire). Is it a little strange and maybe off putting at times? Sure - but hey you might be surprised at what you find! I'm not trying to take some ultra positive fan boy stance on this because I DETESTED Bungie after Reach, but I've TRULY enjoyed this game and I think at least 66% of that is just having fun with the people I play with. If you're looking for people to play with, feel free to add me - xi jbar ix (xbox one) Let's actually try to grow a positive community together before we shoot the whole thing down in flames!

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              • Agreed

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              • Matchmaking for Raids? It's nice for strikes but not for raids. I don't know anyone of you enough to place my trust in your hands. Bad way of looking at it but would you trust a random player t get you to the end of the Vault of Glass without a single death? IF you weren't much of a shit for brains you'd gather your friends. Have none? Join a clan. Don't want to join a clan? You were never wanted here. It is the antisocial behavior you display that brings the worst out of destiny. In the time of Halo Reach: Why don't you adapt? Work around these... trivial problems because I will tell you something, each day I've played Destiny it was with a fellow player at my side, sometimes two, other times six wrecking the floor in crucible. The Vault of Class is not meant for you and random players it is meant for you and a team you can trust to react in a way you know. Honestly... catering to people like you and your ilk isn't something Bungie shouldn't trouble themselves with. This should have been posted in Feedback as well.

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              • my comms are set to friends only, I don't want to meet you, I don't care about you, I just want to play for awhile, this game is as boring as defiance, knew it was gonna be, so in afew mos i'll trade it back for something better and there are lots coming, it will be over even for the ultrafanboy in 6mos

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                • I like having to communicate with others to form a group. Forms a community where *reputation* is king.

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                  • first off this game is much better with friends. THIS WAS KNOWN BEFORE THE GAME WAS LAUNCHED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO MATCHMAKING FOR RAIDS. Also if you dislike the game that much go and trade it in or sell it. I agree that there isn't much variety to the content but when you're grinding out the strikes and missions by yourself it could get stale and boring. THIS GAME WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED WITH FRIENDS. This is more of a co-op game than anything else.

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                    • tl;dr Boohoo, I don't want to be social at all! Give me all the loots with no effort!

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                      • Well said. Unfortunately this community is very toxic and will complain against adding matchmaking just because...

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                      • Waved to a bunch of guys who had exotics and who also had weekly night reward, asked them through PSN if they wanted to do it with my original team, judging by night reward was the only factor considered at first of course. 20 hours, 13 actual active hours down the line, Vault of Glass beat. I don't get this post.

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                      • LOL do you really think you could beat VOG with a bunch of randoms most probably don't use mics good luck I rather try and solo VOG then play with 5 other random people the only thing Destiny lacks is an in game looking for group system ie text chat and proxy chat a recent example of a good chat system on console is Warframe. I agree that coming to the fourms to find a group is full retard on Bungies fault

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                      • He is right about those strikes tho.... Like, if I get sent into another Mars strike....I may shoot myself, no joke. But there are ONLY 4 other strikes to do!! Man we need t least 10....this is getting bad.

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                      • Congrats on leaving wish I would but I need to get some value out of this joke of a game.

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                      • I stopped reading once you said the raids not hard.

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                      • Bye.

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                      • Get a clan or some friends ... baddie

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                      • Lol another person who is butt hurt about not having their hand held. Find your own friends and try again.

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