That is what it is in a nutshell. I've been playing games for 30 years and this is what destiny is. It's like bungie has been living in a plastic bubble.
Below is added for clarity, since my opinion isn't good enough and makes people angry :)
[cut contemptuous remark to traveller]... Have you played wolfenstein or tomb raider or dishonored or dark souls? These are full AAA games. Destiny is not. If you can't tell the difference, I'm sorry but I think they come together to create a paradigm for what makes a AAA game these days. Please try these games out, they are not flawless but they offer much more unique and interesting content and gameplay.
I'll try to encapsulate a few items: [this turned into specific gripes]
This game purports to be kind of an mmo, kind of an rpg, and kind of an fps. Where is the rpg? You walk up to guys in the tower and they say a generic line, and then there's no beating around the bush: here's some junk and how much it costs. Ironically (appropriately?) most of the vendors are robots or dudes that look like robots. The shady dude is shady and doesn't say anything of meaning. The ship dude doesn't say anything about why I might want a different ship. The vanguards for each class are just a different merchant.
Day one bugs: marberry. Bungie: "you need to compromise the security of your router." Me: "or just reboot the game and stop buying bungie games."
Various other bugs involving systems that have been successfully implemented from day one for a generation of consoles.
On missions, enemies randomly spawn in the field and either start shooting you from the horizon or don't sense you while you blast their neighbors from behind. Feel like trying to reach that chest up on the cliff! Have fun while you're being shot at by constantly respawning enemies.
No level balancing to ensure that I will never have fun with my friends unless I can gain 2 levels while they are asleep. Was hell in borderlands, will be hell in destiny. Blizzard bothered to fix this in d3 btw.
The ui is a disgrace. No bungie, nobody uses the joystick to move a cursor for a good reason: it sucks. Evidence: valve had to make the steam controller and trackpads are far more numerous than nubs in laptops.
How do you quit the game? Under logout I see select character and change account. No logout. Yes, maybe changing characters might get me logged out, but just take me to the title screen you jerks!
Was it really a problem that people were accidentally hitting buttons for such mundane reasons as moving on from the results screen or *gasp* talking to npcs, so that now we all need to hold buttons down for x seconds to accomplish such tasks?
Abilities: I'm just glad I started off with the abilities to aim down sight and crouch. Maybe some day I will learn how to punch.
End of first mission: bored peter diklage (I really need to look up his name by now): "it looks like we're going to have to go back to where we started". Cue the laughter, here we go.
In halo 1 I actually didn't mind repeating geometry because it provided interesting puzzles in 3d space. But these reused spaces in destiny aren't interesting enough or filled with enemies with interesting behavior. Just walls and crates disguised as airplane hulls. [added] Enemies so far do the dodge move of the elites, and there's the new needler, but what really helped combat in the halos was the regenerating shields. When the brutes appeared in h2 they were panned as stupid bullet sponges and indeed they were less fun to fight, as are these.
Mid development of halo 2, bungie scrapped almost everything and started over because it wasn't working. This is not the same bungie. I listened to their podcasts for a while and the mantra was "diamonds are cut".
Maybe they got carried away with destiny cuts, but really they probably bit off more than they could chew. As I mentioned elsewhere, they could have replaced Tyrion with almost anyone and hired 100s of interns to build worlds. Have you seen skyrim?! It's got gajillions of unique areas which are only slightly less pretty than old Russia yet which are not significantly less suitable to be part of bungies "sandbox" play areas.
Ok these are not AAA specific problems. AAA would be more like: lots of voice acting, lots of cinematics (in game or not), solid sense of story and progression in story, many unique and well detailed environments, characters (like people with stories and stuff), and start the game with a bang for Pete's sake, not a whimper.
Heck, even titanfall's short campaigns fill most of these requirements.
I can add more if you require. You probably hate me and I suck and I must be a cod fratboy (I haven't liked cod since mw2), but I am a bungie lover and that's why I'm here spending this time to spell it out.
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Well said.
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20 RepliesI've been gaming for thirty years as well (got my Atari 2600 in 1982), and it's obvious that you've not made the transition into online gaming very well, OP. I've played DOOM, Wolfenstein, TES I & II, and most everything you've whined like a 5-year-old about, is nothing more than your opinion. Half the items you bitched about are items other people enjoy, and they work well with the game. But you're right. This isn't the same Bungie that made Halo 2. That Bungie has grown and evolved over the years into the game developer we have today. Then I read your post a second time. It's become obvious to me that you cannot handle a shooter that isn't Halo. 90% of your complaints are all adaptability issues, and you aren't adapting well at all. This isn't an issue with Bungie's game design for Destiny. This isn't about the feature set placed into the game, whether you have to 'press X' vs. 'hold X', this isn't even about having dedicated content releasing in staggered-yet-regular DLC drops. This is about you not being able to adapt to a new style of playing a game. Of being constantly online. Of having a shooter with a different controller map than Halo had. You wanted Destiny to be Halo: Online the MMO. In fact; that's what you expected irregardless of how many times we were told and all the evidence we were given that this [u]was[/u] [u]not[/u] going to be a Halo game. But that's what you still expected. And now you're butt-hurt because (like most of today's entitled, whiny teenagers) it wasn't what you thought it would be therefore; it must be an outrage. If you're that unhappy with Destiny, then don't play it. Destiny is the direction that most FPS's are going to be heading as the industry and genre evolve. The type of gameplay and interaction with persistent, online only, open-world games that we have in Destiny; this will be the standard in a couple years. Especially if Destiny has solid player retention ratios. So no, don't play it if you're not happy with it. But the childish reasons you gave for not liking the game are nothing more than the petulant rants of someone who expected a game to be one thing, played it, then realized he had it all wrong about the game. Your opinion does not make Destiny cease to be a AAA title. Nor is your opinion the standard of qualification for a game to be considered "AAA". Go. Go back to where you bought the game. Get a refund or store credit, I really don't care which one you choose. But at least leave the game. This isn't Halo. This isn't Bungie from a decade ago. The industry has moved on, and you got left behind due to stubbornness.
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New stuff every day, 24/7, 365 days a year for ten years. I don't see any other companies or games doing that. Unhappy with it now? Check back in a week and have your mind blown all over again. :)
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Titanfall had a campaign?? Where?
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The fact is that I only needed 1 minute to realize that the ui sucks, 5 more minutes to realize that bungie isn't doing anything to impress me at a point where most games blow their stuff to make an impact, 15 minutes to realize that the hub world is barren, 2 more minutes to realize that every npc could be replaced with a kiosk that lets you exchange cash for goods, because they don't tell you ANYTHING, and the rest of the time to figure out they're going to make me go back to the tutorial as their open barrage against my remaining good will. Then a bad guy spawned half a mile away and shot me while I was trying to "explore" a loot chest, but not before I had already killed him and his buddies by walking right up behind them and shooting them one at a time without them noticing.
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Edited by JeneralBen: 9/12/2014 5:13:53 PMFirst off, it's not a review. It's a set of observations of crummy things that are exposed by the game in the first 10 minutes. These things won't change in 10 hours. The updates and dlc argument is ridiculous. Do you think your daily updates are going to be some sort of masterpiece after they charged you $60 for so little unique content to start with? They're going to be hunt and fetch quests in the same levels we have now.
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31 Repliesa whole 3 levels in and already knows everything...
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I agree that the story telling is lacking...I'm honestly not sure why I went to the moon or what connected each of the earth missions beyond the first two. Just seems that the guardian is happy to be clueless and marched around or knows more than the player knows. Kind of feel like the story is a series of text messages from someone trying to tell you what is happening and why, but a lot of the texts that link the different points didn't send. Think there is also a lot of stuff that is mentioned with no background given. Though in my opinion, the worst is the why. We have the who (guardians, armies of darkness), the how, the what, and when, but there doesn't seem to be and why to connect each of the missions. I honestly feel like the guardians are just mercenaries who just do...stuff... My intuition is that were are suppose to be a part of a bigger effort, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence for that effort. Perhaps that is why the collapse happened, nobody took charge and directed the war effort. If that is the case, then the story needs to help convey that, because the lack of congruence in the story leaves much to be desired. May just be spoiled on bioware/ubisoft stories...
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2 RepliesJust go play T&C Surf shop or RC Pro Am
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1 ReplyYOU MAD BRO
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Hahahahahahaha!!!!!
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2 RepliesOkay, a few blanket responses here: 1) There is a difference between facts and opinions. Do we agree on that? Okay, so when missions go through the same area over and over, can one say that this is a confirmable fact? Okay? So can one not say that this is re-use of geometry instead of new content? 1a) Based on the evidence that there is such a thing as a verifiable fact, I propose that I do not need to play the game past level 1 in order to complain of level re-use any more than I need to visit the Antarctic to discover that it is cold there. Numerous reporters have verified this (http://www.metacritic.com/feature/destiny-ps4-xbox-early-reviews-and-observations). Either they are all lying as part of some conspiracy, or it is a fact that Destiny re-uses levels heavily in order to provide "content." I have witnessed firsthand that the game does use the same area over and over in level 1. 2) Entitlement. Good job at using this to counter any time someone doesn't like what they get. Let's see, if I go to a Wendy's and order a cheeseburger and complain that there's no cheese, am I being an entitled brat? If I go to a Honda dealership and they try to sell me a car with 3 tires, am I being an entitled brat? The truth is that there are indeed such things as "standards" in our human society. Other AAA games have created a standard which Destiny does not meet. It's not because it's "not the game I want it to be," it's because this game lacks so many things on such basic levels. AAA is a cross-genre thing. Starcraft 2 is AAA. Halo 3 is AAA. Diablo 3 is AAA. These games are rich with features and dialogues, animations and cut scenes. They have more than 6ish environments, some have literally dozens. They all even have a UI option to return to the stinking title screen! Destiny lacks in all of these things. Paid DLC doesn't count. This is not $60 worth of game. I didn't pay $60 for the opportunity to pay more money in the future for a full game. 3) I've only played level 1 (and for the record, I played through the entire beta as well. And despite my misgivings I pre-ordered the game anyway because all my friends were doing it and I wanted to believe). I have read time and time again that gamers do not finish games. It's something they can record and report on. It is a fact. You know what developers usually do? They pack the first 5 minutes with AWESOME HOLY COW DID YOU SEE THAT moments. See: Brutal Legend (ironic), Mass Effect 3, Mario 3D World, Wolfenstein, Tomb Raider. Destiny packs the first 5 minutes with: bland statements from your ghost. Running through a dark corridor. Normal shooting bad guys with a gun. They did have that space cruiser warp into low orbit and do a flyby, but we've seen this dozens of times in Halo games. There is a reason they do this kind of thing. Going by Destiny's example, Bungie either A) doesn't know what they are doing, or B) is too cool to do what everyone else is doing, even if Bungie's way doesn't work as well. See my complaint about the cursor based UI. 4) Blam. Okay, I get it, this is Bungie town and the cute thing to do is replace insults and curses with words. Very good for you. But for future reference, if you are even remotely interested in making a point or being taken seriously: A) don't throw insults in to the end of an argument. It just detracts from everything you just said. B) using the curse word replacements like "grasshole" was cool in 6th grade. Grow up! And being cute while simultaneously undermining your image by throwing personal insults is just too twisted, even for the internet. 5) Why don't I return the game and shut up? Microsoft says "no refunds" loud and clear even though they have complete control over my system and can shut the game down remotely. Origin on PC is making headway into this. Word on the street is that returning disk based games isn't exactly a walk in the park. 6) I bought into the hype. No, I watched some videos at announcement and loved Bungie's other games. I had almost no expectations for gameplay other than it was multiplayer and had loot. I expected AAA quality just as all other Bungie games have had. What if it were the other way around? What if I bought the hype that Aliens: Colonial Marines was just horrible. Then I played it and said "this is just horrible." Would my assessment of the game be diminished by the fact that the hype surrounding the game was negative? 7) Titanfall's Story: 1) The people in the corner of the screen can be hard to see, but it's even harder in Destiny to go to your computer and sift through bungie's unlockable web site documents because they were too lazy to put the text in the stupid game itself. (also, Bungie's site and iPad safari barely work together and crash frequently) 2) Guess what, the people in the story have: a) concerns, b) implied backgrounds, c) personalities d) discussions with each other which drive e) plot and story. f) some characters show development! It may be small, but at least it's something. Tell me if Destiny has anything comparable. Does my ghost learn the true meaning of sacrifice? Do the traveler and his rep change their minds about the annihilation of alien species? Does robot 8277429 in the tower share a tender moment about his pet worm-hound?
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2 RepliesFirst of all, I'm from Germany, so sorry for my bad english. To Topic: What People seem to Forget in this whole discussion is, that Destiny is supposed to be a MMO with constant Updates, new Content and stuff. Just take a second to think about it: You have to pay monthly for every other MMO, while Destiny is free. Now, if Bungie is going to release new Content every 3 months an every DLC costs about 30€, then it is still cheaper than other MMOs. (WOW costs 12€ a month) I definitely prefer to buy a DLC every 3 months to get new Content instead of paying constantly (even while you spend months just farming the same Content to get gear for upcoming Content patches) Just wanted to Point this out, because nobody seems to think of it.
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3 RepliesActually, you struggle to find problems so start complaining about a short button press.
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That's a nice level 3 character you've got there...
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WHy dont you compare destiny to Classic MMORPGs... there you got your DLC question. . .
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1 ReplyI didn't like dishonored
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You have very clearly made up your mind to hate the game regardless. So, speaking of wasting time, I'm done spending mine here.
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9 RepliesYour only level 3. GTFO you troll.
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Game is great as is, you just over hyped.
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Everyone's entitled to their options and mine is this. I buy games based on fun factor and replay ability. You list games like Wolfienstien, Tomb raider, dishonoured and Dark souls as AAA, the only game I'd play more than once and keep playing would be dark souls. The other three I beat in less than 10 hours, disappointed that wolfienstien didn't even have multiplayer. I'm not much of a trophy completionist either. This games been out for 3 days and I've already played more time than 3 of those "AAA" titles combined.
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Obvious troll is obvious, you haven't even gotten past a level 3...
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That awkward and extremely retarded moment when OP doesn't have a single character over level 5 yet..and hasn't experienced close to enough of the game to have any intelligent, reputable opinion whatsoever.
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1 ReplyEdited by Justicar Thorn: 9/11/2014 12:40:40 PMAlso been gaming for thirty years. Obviously OP knows nothing about what this game will be with updates and constant additions (daily) being made. Calling the last tomb raider a full AAA title lost you any credibility to me because that game was completely on rails with hand holding and button Que cut scenes. I've seen free games that required more input from the player. Like Texas hold em games on my phone. While I'll admit, destiny needs to execute more on story telling, im willing to bet you haven't gotten to Venus yet. So many people complaining before they even get to the meat if a game. Stick to playing, because reviewing is not your niche.
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1 ReplyEdited by RagedHalomaniac: 9/11/2014 10:02:33 PMOne of two things are happening here. A: Bad trolling. B: Hes an idiot and is judging this game on the first 3 missions which would explain how he is saying that the A.I suck and how he only makes references to Old Russia. EDIT: Its B he only has a level 3 warlock and a level 1 hunter
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7 RepliesSo you have a total of 1hr and 9 min invested in Destiny and because you have 30 yrs of gaming you can tell us all Destiny is not a AAA game? Lol ok whatever you say all great Mr. Knowledge of video games. /facepalm