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8/25/2014 6:44:40 PM
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No, just no. Bungie at least is consistent with quality. Bethesda has no idea what makes their games good. They prove this time and time again by removing something awesome to make the game slightly better in areas which it doesn't need. Skyrim was a joke compared to all previous games. Its story was lacking at best and defiant of canonical lore at worst. 1. Radiant Story or whatever is painfully bad. I ache mentally just thinking about it. 2. Duel wielding anything sucked. The one weapon type good for duelwielding was removed. RIP Shortswords. 3. Melee combat was clunky and slow for no good reason. Staves have no melee and do not give XP for using them. 4. The magic and enchanting was worse in every way. 5. The perks ruined character development rather than bolster it. 6. The size of Skyrim is smaller than Oblivion and contains worthless mountains which reduces the size even further. 7. The Throat of the world has 7000 steps. Todd said a fan would count them. Someone did and it has 750-800 depending on what counts as a step. 8. Lore was outright changed or removed to suit their needs rather than added or fleshed out to make the game better. 9. Werewolves are far less common in Skyrim than Werebears yet we see no Werebears. Canis Root is a lazy reason why. 10. Volkihar Vampires live in caves and under frozen lakes/ponds and have powers related to ice. Dawnguard DLC ruined that. 11. Skills/spells were removed because they were either lazy or incapable of getting them right the fifth time around. 12. No arena in a land full of glory seeking war loving Nords? Really? REALLY? Need another example of their flawed ways? Skyrim had a city known as Markarth Side. It was on the eastern side of the Reach and it contained a school for teaching the Thu'um since Dragonshouting could be learned by anyone just like Ulfric. It was constructed by the greatest Dragonshouter ever, Emperor Tiber Septim/Talos. When the game came out, not only was there not a skill for shouting, but there was no school in Markarth Side, and Markarth Side became Markarth which had magically moved over to the western side of the Reach. A game about Dragonshouting had a school for Dragonshouting removed. Just think about that. I could go on and on about why Skyrim is the worst ES game but fanboys would cry and rage at me calling me a hater. Don't get me wrong, I like the series but I don't want to see ES: VI for another 4 years at least. It deserves to be made better. Fallout was good but suffers from the same design flaws as ES does. Combining Bungie and Bethesda would make a horrible game. Now if you were talking about Bioware and Bethesda then maybe. I am not trying to bash your thread or hate on Bethesda exclusively but they really anger me with ES design choices. I do have criticism of Bungie but they pale in comparison to Bethesda and I have said enough for now.
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  • And yet you said nothing about es online that was awful

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  • I typed too much already, I have never played ESO and don't want to, ESO gameplay footage looks awful, it wasn't even developed by Bethesda. Zenimax Studios took over the development of ESO, prolly so Bethesda could work on Fallout 4/TES VI: Somewhereland.

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  • Edited by chunken: 8/28/2014 7:28:53 PM
    You haven't played any Bethesda games obviously. Well its plain as day they screwed up on the fallout games cause they had no point. Although The Elder Scrolls had topped charts. 2008 Game of the Year-Oblivion. Skyrim - Best open free world I've played ever. But I also agree with your decision. Bungie should make bungie games. Bethesda should make Bethesda games.

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  • I have played many Bethesda games. High-popularity does not equal high-quality. Justin Beiber is an example of that. I don't agree with you on Fallout since they have the same point as ES; do whatever you want, however you want, whenever you want. That is the whole reason I love open world games of all kinds. I am free to play my way and not be directed solely by objective markers. Everyone has opinions that differ even if only slightly. Some love Skyrim and hail it as the best ES ever. I say it did some things well and some things poorly. Others might say it was downright garbage(a lot of Morrowind fans do). I feel as though the whole game was rushed to meet the pointless deadline of 11/11/2011 for bad marketing purposes. If the game had 2 more years of development and it released on 11/11/2013 I think it would have been way better and the sales would remain the same if not increase.

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  • Edited by chunken: 8/30/2014 2:44:48 AM
    Well, if you think very deeply about Fallout. Both games are different. I mean Fallout NV has no point has nothing to do with nuclear bombing. It's stupid. Fallout 3 had a better point, it's just it feels as if it has no point in the main storyline. Open world is fine. But Bethesda makes Bethesda games. Same with Bungie. I also love your Skyrim point. Yes they shouldn't have released it on 11. But if they would have released on 13, it would have took E'S online forever to make, but it wouldn't have been better. I love your thinking. But right now of talking about different games on another game seems pointless. The point of this forum is to have feedback FOR THE GAME. Not some partnership.

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  • I agree, Bungie forums should be about Bungie but the thread brought up Bethesda and I figured I would state why I thought Bethesda wouldn't be a great partner for Bungie to work with. I would complain to Bethesda if I thought they cared enough to listen.

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  • I agree they are both good designers but would make horrible partners.

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  • Not gonna lie, i agreed with just about everything you said.

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  • Edited by VorTex Savage: 8/28/2014 6:53:29 AM
    Fall out is amaze balls. Played that mother -blam!-er for 297 hours

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  • HIPSTER ALERT

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  • Wow. Well no one should question your conviction. You mean business.

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  • Hardcore gaming is my thing. The reason I am so critical of the series is because I like it. I want it to succeed and get even better. The opposite of love is not hate but indifference. I didn't even intend to type so much but I didn't want to delete it all.

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  • i agree sorta sorta i hate the perks and the skill that were removed and how the added mysticism to alteration it deserved its own class :( and to be honest i only play it to waste time when the network is down but when the nets up thats when i take the role of Micheal J.Caboose (i didnt voice this amazing charecter but i can sound like him)

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  • I typed way too much lol. Sorry to bomb the thread :/. I just feel strongly about both companies IPs and I think it might not be the greatest mashup. Who knows though? Maybe they would make the best game ever. We can't really tell without knowing the employees better.

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  • its ok bethesda isnt the best but with a mash up it may be awsum ps whyyyyyyy bethesda whyyyyy did you make a monthly fee to play tes: online :( i was looking sooo forward to it but bethasda had to be a dick and charge a monthly fee just to play their game not including the price of a psn or xb gold membership

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