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8/19/2014 8:36:09 PM
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Mouse and keyboard will always give you an advantage in turn speed and accuracy. Personally I prefer if they stay on PC but if they're only making it for the PS4 it has no effect on me. I'm also guessing the mouse has a rapid fire feature which is not very effective in Destiny because there weapons aren't true semi-autos. That's why he was using the scout rifle didn't have to time his trigger pulls, he could just hold it. Which is cheating no matter how you spin it.
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Considering the point you continue to put up, that should mean fighting sticks online should be considered cheating and regulated but they aren't, turning wheels for racing games should be considered cheating and regulated so everyone is on the same field. Just everyone using a controller or mouse and keyboard depending on platform or being forced to buy a fighting stick or wheel for their respective games cause god forbid people shouldnt be allowed to use the tool of their choice. But nope, developers make controls and supports for multiple ways of play. Oh Super Smash Bros. Brawl? What control should be considered the main control? So you know...make sure everyone plays on the same field in consideration to their tools. Wii mote sideways? Gamecube controller? Nun-chuk? May not be mouse and keyboard vs controller but everyone knows fight sticks are superior for fighting games than both controllers or mouse and keyboard. So should fight sticks be banned from console and PC play?
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I never said mouse and keyboard was cheating. I did say it gives you an advantage and that console makers will never let it happen because they want to maintain control of the controller market. [quote]So should fight sticks be banned from console and PC play?[/quote] Personally I like a lot of people don't give a shit because those are very niche games. If fighting games are your thing your likely to have one. Also is this exactly the kind of proof your looking for a specific example of Sony controlling the controller market: http://kotaku.com/5646780/sony-blocks-fake-controllers-warns-of-explosions http://www.ps3hax.net/2010/09/sony-blocking-3rd-party-usb-peripherals-with-firmware-3-50/ Or maybe directly in the terms of service Sony makes you agree to: http://www.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/terms-of-service/ The relevant info is this: You agree that you will not directly or indirectly use non-licensed game enhancement devices, controllers, adaptors and power Checkmate!
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Edited by Phantom: 9/25/2014 3:25:35 AMMy apologies for using the term "cheating" but again, it is an advantage so my point still stands. Also fighting games niche games? Oh boy this conversation is over now after reading that. Considering you believe that tosh and you consider opinion pieces to be fact and expert there is no getting through you.
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The xim works on ps3/ps4 x360/xone He wasn't using rapid fire, you can click a mouse faster than a scout rifle will fire the same as you can with a trigger on the controllers.
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Holding the button versus tapping doesnt sound like cheating.
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It allows you to fire more shots than humanly possible with semi-auto weapons. Like I said Destiny doesn't have true semi-autos but having only to hold the button minimizes movement that could throw of your shot. It's not much of an edge but it helps.
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Not really, hell for some games and their weapons holding down the trigger is a downfall, considering for many games holding the trigger fires at a significantly slower rate than tapping.
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Exactly, the rapid fire mod can make the game think you tapped the trigger 5 times in a second when your just holding it.
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There are rapid fire controllers and like I said holding the button is a hindrance and that video shows in no way he was firing as fast as possible or faster.
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Rapid fire anything is cheating. It's not a hindrance when the controller or mouse is simulating trigger pulls for you. Which I already said.
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Of course rapid firing automatically is cheating but heres the thing, if devs actaully worked around actually controlling support for m/kb to differentiate things it would be fine and dandy, and for controllers like I said holding the trigger to fire "semi-auto" weapons is a hindrance.
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It's not devs against mouse and keyboard It's console makers. They want to control the market on controllers and if they allow mouse and keyboard they won't.
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Is that why Sony agreed with CCP games to allow mouse and keyboard support for their dying exclusive Dust 514? Even though it isn't popular or very good, Sony allowed CCP to put in mouse and keyboard controls
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Edited by The Smoker II: 8/21/2014 1:05:10 AM[quote] Sony agreed [/quote] [quote]Sony allowed[/quote] You do realize you just made my point. Sony controlled if they could put it in. They're not going to give up that control.
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You do realize them making it so they aren't controlling it? If they wanted it to be so limited why allow it in the first place? Hmmm? Yea, stop trying
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Your first sentence made no since. They allowed it because it was for an exclusive which success or failure directly affects their wallet. It's all about the money! If you don't think everything Sony does or any other company does isn't about money you are delusional.
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Edited by Phantom: 8/21/2014 5:33:26 AMAgain if they want to control controller market so desperately to not put mouse and keyboard support why allow it in the first place? Get them to only play on controllers but nope, no matter how you put it mouse and keyboard support can be a thing.
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This is like trying to teach philosophy to a gold fish. [quote]They allowed it because it was for an exclusive which success or failure directly affects their wallet.[/quote] I already answered why they allowed it this time. I never said they want to control the the controller market. I said they do control the controller market. This is a point of fact that a little research will show you. Yes, mouse and key board could be a thing if they found a way to make it profitable to them.
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This is like arguing with an idiot who doesnt know anything. Taking my words for literal on "allow" exclusive or not, controls were made a thing you moron. Again since they do control it, again why would it be allowed in the first place? Are you this -blam!-ing retarded?
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Getting angry doesn't make your point any more valid. Show me some facts that back up your conclusion. When presented with new facts and evidence I always re-examine my opinions. But, you on the other hand refuse to change your opinion when evidence to the contrary is plain to see. Sony literally allowed mouse and key board on one game that they control. Exclusive means they have complete control of the game. They invested money into the game which is why they have exclusive rights to the game. Sony did this in hopes that it would help them make more money. When they saw the game was failing and wouldn't make them money they allowed mouse and keyboard to be used on this game in the hopes that it would then be successful and make them MONEY! Sony decided allowing mouse and keyboard on one game wouldn't damage their control of the controller market and might give a boon to one of their failing exclusives.
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And you comparing myself to a goldfish doesn't help your point either. Show me some documentation that literally says "we don't allow devs to make mouse and keyboard support", if not your point holds no more than my own.
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[url=http://www.bungie.net]http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/sorry-to-say-it-but-keyboard-and-mouse-are-losing-the-fps-market/[/url] [url=http://www.bungie.net]http://techcrunch.com/2009/11/10/mouse-and-keyboard-vs-console-controller-lets-bury-the-hatchet/[/url] These are just a couple of the thousands of articles on why mouse and keyboard won't be on consoles. I't's not as much a policy as a business practice. Read these articles and if you need more google "why no keyboard and mouse on consoles" and the truth should become pretty apparent. Also everyone agrees that a mouse offers a huge advantage in a FPS. So if consoles did allow keyboard and mouse for all games there would be a potentially console killing backlash from the community.
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Still nothing that says its being controlled so players aren't allowed to have choices. Lets see, how would it be console killing when you know...the option is there for EVERYONE!? You linked opinion pieces with statistical data on system popularity not that Sony is controlling the devs to not allow developers to make options. In fact the most you presented is the obvious and Bungie themselves not wanting to make mouse and keyboard controls.
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Edited by The Smoker II: 8/23/2014 9:33:15 AMI'm glad when confronted with a mountain of evidence you were finally able to re-examine your opinion and admit you were wrong. Your denial at this point would be unbelievable. You heard from one of the most respected developers in the industry why they will never make their games for mouse and keyboard. How could you possibly think mouse and keyboard on console could be allowed in a FPS? All the evidence shows that both devs and console makers will never allow keyboard and mouse for first person shooters. Also this isn't just a Sony thing all console makers do this your the one who made this about Sony. You do know they would never allow such a policy to be published publicly. They make all employees sign non-disclosures on things like that. A lot of people prefer to sit on a couch with a controller and don't want to sit at a desk hunched over with a mouse and keyboard. All those people will buy the console that doesn't allow mouse and keyboard.
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I am surprised that you yourself are in denial that you think you posted actual facts or evidence. Listen you stupid shit, you linked OPINION articles with statistics of popularity not actual statements from Sony or Microsoft as you so started with your point. Now please re-examine your head and get off your high horse thinking you can use opinion pieces as fact.
