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8/5/2014 4:48:29 PM
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Raids, Don't Give In Bungie!

So I've been reading a whole lot of articles about why not having matchmaking for raids is a bad thing and I just can't agree, here's why. Bungie has stated they don't want this to be content people can just throw themselves at over and over again until some form of success slowly begins to occur (put that in my own words though, not Bungies). They want this to be content that takes effort to organize, if you can organize a team of people to play at the same time you gain a CHANCE at having the organization it'll take to beat this content. This content is not for every player, I'm sorry everyone feels entitled to ever bit of content that comes with a game but that's not how it works in reality, sorry. Yes you paid for the game, and they are giving you access to the content, the same level of access they are giving EVERYONE else. Whether or not you as a player have the time or patience to access that content the way they set it up is on you. If everyone where able to access this content whenever they want the next series of complaints you'd hear flooding from everywhere is likely how the content is too hard, and how can they expect a group of 6 strangers to work together at such a high level of play and beat this content. Also, Bungie has provided us tools to group together and find players for this content. If you plan to raid then you clearly have an internet connection, hell it's required for the game last I checked. So don't tell me you can't hop on the internet for a few minutes and post on the forums, join a group / clan or something to find the players you need to access this content. Don't be lazy and expect the world to be given to you, if Bungie adopted this lazy attitude of self entitlement they wouldn't be making the great games they do, and they'd be giving us trash like many other developers do, but they aren't. So you can't be either, and if you are, you don't deserve to access the content, it's not meant for you, no matter how that makes you feel on the inside, it's true, deal with it. That is all. Thanks for the great game Bungie, I really hope you don't back down to all the heat your getting about this. Just think how much heat the Demon's Souls / Dark Souls series got for being so hard and now it's a cult classic. You already have the fan base, the people complaining over this will still buy the game, and they aren't the people that'll be around months, years from now anyways, so don't make the game about them. Do what you knows best, I'm sure you will.
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  • Honestly people need to sto making forums like this. You guys are such hypocrites you are complaining about others complaining just stop and do something better with your time.

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  • Edited by Hicro: 8/7/2014 2:02:17 PM
    I have no problems with matchmaking being out of raids if they have an in-game way to organize them. Now I don't mean point, wave, and send request either. Have a job board or take a twist on an old trope and have it be a bartender who orders it out. Post a listing of available times to raid, and if you have time now and want in put up a quick listing. For those organizing, a simple rating system. After setting up you can go off and do whatever floats your boat while waiting for someone to pick you for a raid. Your Ghost( or the bartender, if you go that route) will inform you that an offer came up and then yo go from there. It'd also go great with the whole legend theme they seem to be working on. What is more legenndary than being the go to guy. You and a few friends are wanting to go raiding but need to fill up a slot or two. You head to the bar it's 10:30am on a tuesday. Next to nobody is really on so pickings are slim you go with someone unranked because the others look unreliale. Now you just got the green light and good to go. You go out and start the raid. Things are going well, the new guys doing good so far, loot seems to be in a good supply and nothing too hard seems to be coming. Then it hits the fan. The shows his face and then you realize what you're really up against. You were this close to being consumed by the Darkness. This guy just started launching the ordinance at your face and you go down. Your friends shortly follow. It's pure and total chaos. You get revived by the new guy, who then goes around and starts getting the rest. This does not just happen once but three times each time he bailed you out. Now just imagine that moment when your enemy and its' hordes lie dead at your feet. You know one thing for sure. If you ever see that guy listed again he will be your first choice. I don't know about you but that sounds a whole lot better than heading to a forum and doing all that crap when I could do it all in game. Nothing brreaks the immersion like having to leave the game.

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    • Stick to your guns, Bungie!

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    • This.

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    • They sure as hell better give us better tools then what they have for us on the social portion of the game or this game is screwed. They need to work ALOT on the social aspect. This game easily needs to be on par with GTAV social wise. (that level of being able to easily communicate with each other)

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      • I agree and disagree with the comments and the thread from the OP. Personally, I love a good challenge. More than often I have finished a new title in a single weekend and feel ripped off. Luckily Dark Souls has caused a little ripple in the gaming industry and more challenging games are being made. The fact that Destiny is on-line takes that ridiculous difficulty setting away which most offline games have these days. So I wholeheartedly agree with Bungie on getting some serious challenges for the end-game in place. I have been gaming since the '80s and I have been a hardcore raider in WOW and been very active for 6 years in Eve Online. Aiming high and getting challenged in a game is what makes a game so damn good. The feeling of euphoria and victory when you finally finish a raid or kill a raid boss after hours of wiping is fantastic. Now let's be realistic here,; MM or no MM, it does not matter. Boss-fight mechanics and formulas to beat them will be posted here and eventually PUGs will be able to clear end-game content. Not as fast and good as organised clans/guilds, mind you, but people will post their findings here and casuals will read these posts. I am a gamer who only has time for action during weekends due to work and family life, but I know without too much effort getting 6 people together and having some raid-fun is not difficult. I did it with groups of 40 during vanilla-WOW times, so 6 is piss easy. The problem is with gamers being spoilt and insanely lazy on consoles unfortunately. They want it all and they want it now. What fun is in that? Seariously - £60 for a new game and finish it within 2 weeks isn't fun, it's sad. I think people need to chill, enjoy the game and levelling up. Enjoy the PVP content and the storyline. Enjoy the beauty of the game and meet some cool people during your adventures. When you hit the level cap you will be ready for raids if you have put some effort into the 3 man dungeon crawls you will get the hang of it quite fast and jump on that mic to get to the next step. Just enjoy it. Don't ask for nerfs or to be carried. Just my 2 cents :)

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        • There is a bunch of groups you could join that help people to find people for raids, and I hear there is even a site that finds you people to play with. So in the case you can't do a raid cause you don't have friends to play with at the moment i suggest what i said.

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          • Give in bungie!

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            • I think it sucks that I payed as much as anyone else has for this game, and Bungie are withholding content from me unless I buy a system to play it on :( So all u bitches crying over no MM, can shut the -blam!- up. I'm the one who's getting shafted here.

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              • Why are so many people worried that Bungie might give in? Paranoia. These threads are bullshit and really need to stop.

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              • Edited by ZeroReload: 8/8/2014 1:44:41 PM
                Well. Lots of comments here, both positive and negative. All I can add to this is the following: for most of you getting organised for events like raids etc on a console will be a completely new experience. But believe me when I say this, it's fun once you get it done! In the end this is not WOW, Everquest or Eve Online, this is simply 6 man content. If you think you might struggle with this and are serious about getting through end-game content and enjoying the struggle to get through this, feel free to drop me a friends request on PSN and I will gladly make myself available for getting stuff organised. I used to be a raid leader and GM in WOW for many years and used to organise raid groups for over 200 people in my old guild. This is not something I have time for anymore due to my profession and being a family man, but weekends are open for me to do what I like to do. I live in the UK and speak English and Dutch. I am 38 years old (no Jedi reflexes anymore, sorry) ;) I will be on PS4 only and my gamer tag is: ZeroReload_X For the convenience of getting grouped up I have made a clan during the Beta called 'Guardians of the Universe' and the tag is GotU. (Yes, I used to read a sh*tload of comics when I was a kid) ;) Feel free to join up and hook me up on PSN. I am ready for this challenge Bungie will present us with. Hope to make some new friends here as I am new to PSN since I used to be an Xbox gamer on the previous 2 generations of consoles. Cheers, Z.

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              • I understand the ppl who say im spending between 60 -150 for the game. I say just make friends smh. Im married with child so I know I wont b spending that much time nor do I want to sit in front of a TV for hours. My friends will tackle it if it has checkpoints. All im saying is that invite ppl, join groups.

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              • Bungie isn't the type of company to simply cave for whiny people.

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                • Don't forget that if the raids were dumbed down so match made teams could complete them, then you'd really hurt the lifespan of the game. Eventually there would be no challenge left in it. I'd like to be able to spend a solid year or 2+ always having a challenging obstacle to have to overcome.

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                • According to a recent poll. The majority of people who voted don't want it either. Loud doesn't mean correct.

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                  • Edited by Construct Zero: 8/9/2014 5:15:19 AM
                    Many whined for us to keep our characters but poof they're gone. Bungie should keep it consistent and not listen to the MM babies either. #my2cents

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                  • but I'm a casual I should have everything given to me I should be able to solo raids cause I can only play for 5 minutes a day

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                    • Give in already! Bungie doesn't trust me to have fun/accomplish things with strangers and that is just a downright condescending attitude to have towards your audience.

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                      • Edited by Hypnosis: 8/11/2014 3:52:34 AM
                        i was torn on this issue for while. After doin some thinking though, I think it should stay without MM, but only for a set amount of time. That way the most die hard who really push towards this goal and can get a good team together will be rewarded and have some time to enjoy them,before many many people start completing the raid. I think once a new Raid is put in the game.The old one should have MM opened up, while keepin the new one w/o MM.Then next raid put in, the previous one gets MM and so on. That way no one is ever really missing the oppurtunity to play/see all the content.

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                      • What i don't get is why they just don't add it as a option. Like pvp matches, go with randoms or team with friends. I mean cmon. By now they should know anyone that chose randoms know the risks & was willing. I got a friend added to my list I met in a match.Played with randoms 99% of the beta

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                        • Well put, OP.

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