JavaScript is required to use Bungie.net

OffTopic

Surf a Flood of random discussion.
Edited by BrenMan 94: 7/26/2014 12:34:07 AM
9

Elizabeth Warren's 11 Commandments of Progressivism

[url=http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-s-11-commandments-of-progressivism-20140718]Elizabeth Warren has her own "11 Commandments of Progressivism".[/url] Oh lawdy. Here we go. [quote]1. "We believe that Wall Street needs stronger rules and tougher enforcement, and we're willing to fight for it."[/quote]She's playing into the emotional argument from the left that the crash of 2007 was fueled by economic deregulation, which can't be further from the truth. The crash was fueled by corporate interests buying political power though campaign donations in order to keep smaller businesses out of the market. Large corporations like GM and Chrysler write the very regulations that apply to them, which is why they got bailouts during the crisis. It doesn't help that the SEC was too busy looking at pornography to see this crash coming. ­ [quote]2. "We believe in science, and that means that we have a responsibility to protect this Earth."[/quote]The easiest way to reduce human's carbon footprint is to decrease inflation and switch to a virtual currency like bitcoin, but I doubt Warren would hear that. ­ [quote]3. "We believe that the Internet shouldn't be rigged to benefit big corporations, and that means real net neutrality."[/quote]Government shouldn't be involved in regulating media. That includes the internet, television, radio, and newspapers. ­ [quote]4. "We believe that no one should work full-time and still live in poverty, and that means raising the minimum wage."[/quote]The US's original minimum wage law guaranteed employees a $0.25 wage payed in a 90% silver quarter. That same silver quarter has an even greater purchasing power today than it did back then. The only thing that has changed is that the government took precious metals out of the money supply, thereby raising inflation. The answer isn't to raise the minimum wage (which in turns raises inflation), it is to lower inflation and increase the purchasing power of the current minimum wage. ­ [quote]5. "We believe that fast-food workers deserve a livable wage, and that means that when they take to the picket line, we are proud to fight alongside them."[/quote]See my answer to #4. This issue, again, can be solved by lowered inflation. ­ [quote]6. "We believe that students are entitled to get an education without being crushed by debt."[/quote]Funnily enough, you can get an education equivalent to a four-year degree through Khan Academy and Wikipedia. Of course, you don't get a diploma for it, so it doesn't help you when you're looking for a job. The idea that you NEED to go to college is something institutions have been putting out there for years to keep their outdated educational programs competitive in the internet age. ­ [quote]7. "We believe that after a lifetime of work, people are entitled to retire with dignity, and that means protecting Social Security, Medicare, and pensions."[/quote]This idea of "retiring with dignity" is just more BS rhetoric. Social Security is only a thing because the government forces you to give up 15% of your lifetime income to fund their pyramid scheme. ­ [quote]8. "We believe—I can't believe I have to say this in 2014—we believe in equal pay for equal work."[/quote]I've been looking into this, and the whole "Women aren't payed as much per hour as men" argument is skewed by maternity leave. Women aren't payed as much per hour when they're on ML as when they're working normal hours, thus it gives the impression that women are payed less per hour than men. Shocking that if you're not in the office doing work you aren't payed as much as someone who is in the office doing work. ­ [quote]9. "We believe that equal means equal, and that's true in marriage, it's true in the workplace, it's true in all of America."[/quote]I could get behind this if government wasn't her end-all answer to America's problems. Government shouldn't be in the business of enforcing equality--especially in marriage. ­ [quote]10. "We believe that immigration has made this country strong and vibrant, and that means reform."[/quote]It's hard to take a Democrat's pleas for a more open immigration policy seriously when they're the ones whose party would have the largest benefit from such a policy. I doubt this is sincere. ­ [quote]11. "And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies. We will overturn Hobby Lobby and we will fight for it. We will fight for it!"[/quote]Saying birth control is a right is like saying "I have a right to eat so give me a cup of icing."

Posting in language:

 

Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Edited by Drowsy Demon: 8/1/2014 1:48:37 PM
    Internet libertarianism is cancer. [quote] She's playing into the emotional argument from the left that the crash of 2007 was fueled by economic deregulation, which can't be further from the truth.[/quote] Ever heard of Glass-Steagall? [quote] The crash was fueled by corporate interests buying political power though campaign donations in order to keep smaller businesses out of the market. Large corporations like GM and Chrysler write the very regulations that apply to them, which is why they got bailouts during the crisis. It doesn't help that the SEC was too busy looking at pornography to see this crash coming.[/quote] GM and Chrysler didn't cause the crash; that originated from the financial sector. They were casualties from the crash. If they were bribing politicians to alter laws they wouldn't be bribing them to change anything not related to car regulations. And yes, the SEC was asleep at the wheel. You know why? Because they're understaffed. [url]http://www.sec.gov/news/testimony/2009/ts060209mls-app.pdf[/url] Your would-be solution to preventing future murders would be to fire the only police officers trying to prevent them and hope that it all works out ~magically~ . [quote] The easiest way to reduce human's carbon footprint is to decrease inflation and switch to a virtual currency like bitcoin, but I doubt Warren would hear that.[/quote] Peercoin is much more energy efficient but it wouldn't be a Paulbot post if there wasn't at least one instance of advertising for Bitcoin. Also, I don't even like Warren but I'm pretty sure that she never outright refused to consider cryptocurrencies. The problem is that not many people really know of it yet as it's a new technology. Regardless, inflation is not a bad thing and I'm sick of people who act like inflation is the absolute worst thing ever and the only purpose of economists should be to control inflation. Take a look at Japan for an example of how absolute zero inflation can devastate an economy for years. [quote] Government shouldn't be involved in regulating media. That includes the internet, television, radio, and newspapers.[/quote] Ignoring that the genesis from the Internet came from the government itself, all the things you listed need certain standards to function properly. [quote] The US's original minimum wage law guaranteed employees a $0.25 wage payed in a 90% silver quarter. That same silver quarter has an even greater purchasing power today than it did back then. The only thing that has changed is that the government took precious metals out of the money supply, thereby raising inflation. The answer isn't to raise the minimum wage (which in turns raises inflation), it is to lower inflation and increase the purchasing power of the current minimum wage.[/quote] US inflation is well under control. And it's laughable that you think pegging it to something shiny "controls inflation." Also, inflation is not intrinsically bad so stop acting as if it is. The money supply must be loosened up or squeezed depending on the portion of the business cycle that the economy is going through. [url]http://www.minneapolisfed.org/community_education/teacher/calc/hist1800.cfm[/url] [quote]Funnily enough, you can get an education equivalent to a four-year degree through Khan Academy and Wikipedia. Of course, you don't get a diploma for it, so it doesn't help you when you're looking for a job. The idea that you NEED to go to college is something institutions have been putting out there for years to keep their outdated educational programs competitive in the internet age.[/quote] Right, because putting "Wikipedia" on your resume is really going to convince the employer when he has a dozen other applications with bachelor degrees or higher. Please be more realistic. The bachelors is the new high school diploma, and you totally dodged the original point of debt slavery. [quote] This idea of "retiring with dignity" is just more BS rhetoric. Social Security is only a thing because the government forces you to give up 15% of your lifetime income to fund their pyramid scheme.[/quote] How about you learn what a pyramid scheme is and why it fails before making such an asinine comparison? Once you have done so, you would realize that SS will never fail in such a manner and indeed never would as it is not a pyramid scheme. [quote] I've been looking into this, and the whole "Women aren't payed as much per hour as men" argument is skewed by maternity leave. Women aren't payed as much per hour when they're on ML as when they're working normal hours, thus it gives the impression that women are payed less per hour than men. Shocking that if you're not in the office doing work you aren't payed as much as someone who is in the office doing work.[/quote] I'm not going to fight you on this yet as I have to take a look at it myself first. [quote] I could get behind this if government wasn't her end-all answer to America's problems. Government shouldn't be in the business of enforcing equality--especially in marriage.[/quote] Government also has the ability to enforce non-equality of marriage as shown by DOMA. Government isn't going away and they have to take a stand on one side or another. I would actually prefer that they ban gay marriage but I'm the minority. [quote] It's hard to take a Democrat's pleas for a more open immigration policy seriously when they're the ones whose party would have the largest benefit from such a policy. I doubt this is sincere.[/quote] By that same logic the US shouldn't have implemented the Marshall plan for Europe as it was based in the selfish goal of holding back Stalin rather than any deep-seated concern for the plight of the European nations. Guess what? A self-interested policy can STILL manage to do some good. [quote] Saying birth control is a right is like saying "I have a right to eat so give me a cup of icing."[/quote] As a Christian I agree with you on this. On the whole, however, I sincerely hope you're trolling because if you genuinely believe all those talking points I...well, what does it matter? Americans are notorious for being quite irrational when it comes to politics. Edit: Removed vulgarity and most of the hostility from my post as I was in a bad mood.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • I think we should abolish currency in all forms except by the length and girth of your wang, id be bill gates pretty much then.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • How about we just ask the technical experts for their advice in each of these fields, not a bunch of stupid average Americans? It's so cringey that people here think their economists and scientists when they're just not. You have a problem when the only economics and science you know is political... highly indicative of not actually knowing anything.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Ya know, progressivism back in the day was advocation for more individual liberty and they would laugh at the idea of people using the government to solve literally every minuscule problem in their lives.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

    10 Replies
    • Edited by Madman Mordo: 7/30/2014 12:42:15 PM
      Eh I have a few problems with these. [quote]The easiest way to reduce human's carbon footprint is to decrease inflation and switch to a virtual currency like bitcoin, but I doubt Warren would hear that.[/quote] And why is that? She already clarified she advocates environmentalism. Why would she refuse to concede to solutions? Because she's leftist and you disagree with her stance? [quote]Government shouldn't be involved in regulating media. That includes the internet, television, radio, and newspapers.[/quote] Conglomerate corporations shouldn't have the same type of power either, which is what she's trying to advocate. Saying Net Neutrality is government regulation is like saying the abolition of slavery was just another iteration of slavery. That doesn't make sense. [quote]Funnily enough, you can get an education equivalent to a four-year degree through Khan Academy and Wikipedia. Of course, you don't get a diploma for it, so it doesn't help you when you're looking for a job. The idea that you NEED to go to college is something institutions have been putting out there for years to keep their outdated educational programs competitive in the internet age.[/quote] Is this supposed to be a refutation? You haven't addressed her main point at all. That being tertiary education, (which you do need to attain any kind of job that pays a slight increment more than the minimum wage by the way), is virtually impossible to enter into without incurring a lifetime amount of debt. [quote]I've been looking into this, and the whole "Women aren't payed as much per hour as men" argument is skewed by maternity leave. Women aren't payed as much per hour when they're on ML as when they're working normal hours, thus it gives the impression that women are payed less per hour than men. Shocking that if you're not in the office doing work you aren't payed as much as someone who is in the office doing work.[/quote] So women should be punished for getting pregnant? I don't disagree that the wage disparity between the genders is a lot more nuanced than people (especially feminists) make it out to be. That being said, I don't believe that women should live in fear of being compensated less for a decision they might wish to make later on in life. [quote]It's hard to take a Democrat's pleas for a more open immigration policy seriously when they're the ones whose party would have the largest benefit from such a policy. I doubt this is sincere.[/quote] That's actually incorrect. Immigration is one of the very few engines that power the contemporary economy. Without immigration we wouldn't have the GDP that we have today. You can ask Meta Cognition for a further in-depth analysis as he's much more adept in this sort of field than I am, but immigration is essential to a modern, first world economy.

      Posting in language:

       

      Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

      1 Reply
      • [quote] The only thing that has changed is that the government took precious metals out of the money supply, thereby raising inflation. The answer isn't to raise the minimum wage (which in turns raises inflation), it is to lower inflation and increase the purchasing power of the current minimum wage.[/quote] I sense impending Gold Standard argument. Please tell me that isn't the case here.

        Posting in language:

         

        Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

        1 Reply
        • She's a nutjob

          Posting in language:

           

          Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

        • 0
          Inflation isn't high Lol

          Posting in language:

           

          Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

          6 Replies
          • lol

            Posting in language:

             

            Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

          You are not allowed to view this content.
          ;
          preload icon
          preload icon
          preload icon