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1/13/2008 4:35:20 PM
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What rank does Cortana hold?
I've been wondering. What UNSC rank does she hold?
She's able to give orders to atleast Sergeant (Johnson), who calls her Ma'am, but she's below Captain (Keyes) and Commander (Miranda). She's never given specific orders to the chief, but she has given him various commands, which means she's either above Master Chief PO or holds an equivilent rank, which again is odd.. because she can give Johnson orders.
Does anybody know for sure?
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Private Major Whore Grade 4.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 0117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 0117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 100 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Stitch [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ensiferous3 Stitch makes a good point. Keyes always called Cortana by her name but Johnson always calls her ma'am. She would have to at least be Chief's rank in this situation right?[/quote] Well that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if Johnson was above or below the Chief since they both have a casual attitude towards eachother, but in some circumstances Johnson has given orders to the Chief.[/quote] The problem with the Chief and his rank is this: Though the Chief may hold on officer's rank, he is a Spartan, and he does not have Oni's permission to deny orders in favor of another mission. As a Spartan, even if he outranks the field commander of that particular base/area, he must take his orders from them, or anyone directly working for them. (Explained in Halo: The Flood when the Chief tries to go against the UNSC Commander of the makeshift base.) So, if Sergant Johnson is under the field Commander (like Keyes, or Lord Hood), and Johnson gives an order, the Chief has to follow it. That being said, often, his only order is to do something along the lines of destroy the enemy base/protect XXXX, eliminate XXXX etc, so he is given the leeway to do it his way.[/quote] Master chief petty officer is John's rank. Master Chief for short.[/quote] Yes, we all know his rank. But we call him the Chief because thats what we knew his as before we knew his name, and because that would be the proper title to adress him by.[/quote] Actually its Master Chief Petty Officer Third Class John-117. But anyways he outranks Johnson.[/quote] no such rank, he is Master Chief Petty Officer, after that it is Fleet Command master Chief Petty Officer, you are thinking of Petty Officer Third Class[/quote] and SGM Johnson is the same equivalent rank as Jon[/quote] Watch the making of the "Believe" monument clip. "Master Chief Petty Officer John-117". In Halo:The Fall of Reach, he is promoted to Master Chief Petty Officer Third Class by Chief Mendez. Sergeant Johnson is not the same rank as Master Chief. MC is the equal of a CSM (command sergeant major). Johson is only a Sergeant Major.
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well i learn something new everyday...:]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 I am under the impression that nearly all Military AI's (especially the "smart" ones) are ONI "equipment", much like any Spartan. Though a Spartan is genetically and originally a human being, they have had nearly every one of their human rights violated and taken from them and have been conditioned and "built" to not expect any better. Similarly, an AI is "made" to do one thing, provide fast and insightful evaluation of data from multiple sources. In the eyes of the Admiralty? An AI or a Spartan are hardware. Intelligent and talented hardware, that when it has something to say, it should be considered very carefully. As to non-Comms taking "orders" from Cortana? When she gives a direction, she is likely doing so under the direct authority of a command or flag officer. Think of it this way. Admiral Hood has ordered Commander Keyes to coordinate aspects of Earth defense in the East Africa area. He doesn't order individual soldiers unless he wants a specific one to do a specific task. But Commander Keyes is authorized to act as she sees fit and to seek advice from above when she believes that the situation is not covered by her previous or overlying orders. So (IMO) when Cortana gives an "order" to a squad or field non-Comm, she is following the orders of Commander Keyes (and the chain above her) and was most likely instructed to "accomplish the following". So any order/direction that she gives is (in effect) coming from Keyes, Hood, and the UNSC chain of command.[/quote] ^Most likely the truth. But still, its seems odd that she wouldn't have at least an honorary rank. But I guess it really doesn't matter. She says jump, people ask "How high?", so in the end, it really is the same effect.
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I am under the impression that nearly all Military AI's (especially the "smart" ones) are ONI "equipment", much like any Spartan. Though a Spartan is genetically and originally a human being, they have had nearly every one of their human rights violated and taken from them and have been conditioned and "built" to not expect any better. Similarly, an AI is "made" to do one thing, provide fast and insightful evaluation of data from multiple sources. In the eyes of the Admiralty? An AI or a Spartan are hardware. Intelligent and talented hardware, that when it has something to say, it should be considered very carefully. As to non-Comms taking "orders" from Cortana? When she gives a direction, she is likely doing so under the direct authority of a command or flag officer. Think of it this way. Admiral Hood has ordered Commander Keyes to coordinate aspects of Earth defense in the East Africa area. He doesn't order individual soldiers unless he wants a specific one to do a specific task. But Commander Keyes is authorized to act as she sees fit and to seek advice from above when she believes that the situation is not covered by her previous or overlying orders. So (IMO) when Cortana gives an "order" to a squad or field non-Comm, she is following the orders of Commander Keyes (and the chain above her) and was most likely instructed to "accomplish the following". So any order/direction that she gives is (in effect) coming from Keyes, Hood, and the UNSC chain of command. [Edited on 01.13.2008 9:40 AM PST]
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If she does hold a rank, I suspect it would ceremonial. Someone said they thought she was a commander, can anyone confirm this?
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If I remember correctly, isn't Johnson now CSM, not just Sergant Major?
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Yes, but if you were to address him, or him to ask you a question in a formal way, you'd have to begin or end your sentence with "Master Chief", just like the Marines say "Sergant Major" to Johnson. Also, after looking it up again, Cortana, if she doesn't hold the rank of Commander in truth, she a least holds it in an honorary sense. Because she muses over it while onboard the Pillar of Autumn, about how her voice and rank seem to calm the crew and Marines down.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 0117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 100 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Stitch [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ensiferous3 Stitch makes a good point. Keyes always called Cortana by her name but Johnson always calls her ma'am. She would have to at least be Chief's rank in this situation right?[/quote] Well that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if Johnson was above or below the Chief since they both have a casual attitude towards eachother, but in some circumstances Johnson has given orders to the Chief.[/quote] The problem with the Chief and his rank is this: Though the Chief may hold on officer's rank, he is a Spartan, and he does not have Oni's permission to deny orders in favor of another mission. As a Spartan, even if he outranks the field commander of that particular base/area, he must take his orders from them, or anyone directly working for them. (Explained in Halo: The Flood when the Chief tries to go against the UNSC Commander of the makeshift base.) So, if Sergant Johnson is under the field Commander (like Keyes, or Lord Hood), and Johnson gives an order, the Chief has to follow it. That being said, often, his only order is to do something along the lines of destroy the enemy base/protect XXXX, eliminate XXXX etc, so he is given the leeway to do it his way.[/quote] Master chief petty officer is John's rank. Master Chief for short.[/quote] Yes, we all know his rank. But we call him the Chief because thats what we knew his as before we knew his name, and because that would be the proper title to adress him by.[/quote] Actually its Master Chief Petty Officer Third Class John-117. But anyways he outranks Johnson.[/quote] no such rank, he is Master Chief Petty Officer, after that it is Fleet Command master Chief Petty Officer, you are thinking of Petty Officer Third Class[/quote] and SGM Johnson is the same equivalent rank as Jon
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 100 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Stitch [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ensiferous3 Stitch makes a good point. Keyes always called Cortana by her name but Johnson always calls her ma'am. She would have to at least be Chief's rank in this situation right?[/quote] Well that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if Johnson was above or below the Chief since they both have a casual attitude towards eachother, but in some circumstances Johnson has given orders to the Chief.[/quote] The problem with the Chief and his rank is this: Though the Chief may hold on officer's rank, he is a Spartan, and he does not have Oni's permission to deny orders in favor of another mission. As a Spartan, even if he outranks the field commander of that particular base/area, he must take his orders from them, or anyone directly working for them. (Explained in Halo: The Flood when the Chief tries to go against the UNSC Commander of the makeshift base.) So, if Sergant Johnson is under the field Commander (like Keyes, or Lord Hood), and Johnson gives an order, the Chief has to follow it. That being said, often, his only order is to do something along the lines of destroy the enemy base/protect XXXX, eliminate XXXX etc, so he is given the leeway to do it his way.[/quote] Master chief petty officer is John's rank. Master Chief for short.[/quote] Yes, we all know his rank. But we call him the Chief because thats what we knew his as before we knew his name, and because that would be the proper title to adress him by.[/quote] Actually its Master Chief Petty Officer Third Class John-117. But anyways he outranks Johnson.[/quote] no such rank, he is Master Chief Petty Officer, after that it is Fleet Command master Chief Petty Officer, you are thinking of Petty Officer Third Class
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id say she is an Ensign, she orders Segeant Major Johnson and MCPO/N Spartan 117 around, but she refers to Captain Keyes as sir
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 100 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Stitch [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ensiferous3 Stitch makes a good point. Keyes always called Cortana by her name but Johnson always calls her ma'am. She would have to at least be Chief's rank in this situation right?[/quote] Well that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if Johnson was above or below the Chief since they both have a casual attitude towards eachother, but in some circumstances Johnson has given orders to the Chief.[/quote] The problem with the Chief and his rank is this: Though the Chief may hold on officer's rank, he is a Spartan, and he does not have Oni's permission to deny orders in favor of another mission. As a Spartan, even if he outranks the field commander of that particular base/area, he must take his orders from them, or anyone directly working for them. (Explained in Halo: The Flood when the Chief tries to go against the UNSC Commander of the makeshift base.) So, if Sergant Johnson is under the field Commander (like Keyes, or Lord Hood), and Johnson gives an order, the Chief has to follow it. That being said, often, his only order is to do something along the lines of destroy the enemy base/protect XXXX, eliminate XXXX etc, so he is given the leeway to do it his way.[/quote] Master chief petty officer is John's rank. Master Chief for short.[/quote] Yes, we all know his rank. But we call him the Chief because thats what we knew his as before we knew his name, and because that would be the proper title to adress him by.[/quote] Actually its Master Chief Petty Officer Third Class John-117. But anyways he outranks Johnson.
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Just so you know, Chief is higher ranked than Johnsons. Master Chief Petty Officer is the highest enlisted rank in the navy. EDIT: I don't think AI in the halo universe have ranks, they are built for specific missions and die really fast. [Edited on 01.13.2008 9:24 AM PST]
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She has no rank. Since she is outside the UNSC chain of command, Sgt. Johnson would refer to her as ma'am because the regs would tell him to (ex:The party in the contact harvest novel when he first meets Jilian). However, Cortana is under Keye's command, because that is how AI's were programmed. Though in all practicality she holds the rank of uber general because she is with the master chief, and he holds quite a bit of influence.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 100 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Stitch [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ensiferous3 Stitch makes a good point. Keyes always called Cortana by her name but Johnson always calls her ma'am. She would have to at least be Chief's rank in this situation right?[/quote] Well that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if Johnson was above or below the Chief since they both have a casual attitude towards eachother, but in some circumstances Johnson has given orders to the Chief.[/quote] The problem with the Chief and his rank is this: Though the Chief may hold on officer's rank, he is a Spartan, and he does not have Oni's permission to deny orders in favor of another mission. As a Spartan, even if he outranks the field commander of that particular base/area, he must take his orders from them, or anyone directly working for them. (Explained in Halo: The Flood when the Chief tries to go against the UNSC Commander of the makeshift base.) So, if Sergant Johnson is under the field Commander (like Keyes, or Lord Hood), and Johnson gives an order, the Chief has to follow it. That being said, often, his only order is to do something along the lines of destroy the enemy base/protect XXXX, eliminate XXXX etc, so he is given the leeway to do it his way.[/quote] Master chief petty officer is John's rank. Master Chief for short.[/quote] Yes, we all know his rank. But we call him the Chief because thats what we knew his as before we knew his name, and because that would be the proper title to adress him by.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Stitch [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ensiferous3 Stitch makes a good point. Keyes always called Cortana by her name but Johnson always calls her ma'am. She would have to at least be Chief's rank in this situation right?[/quote] Well that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if Johnson was above or below the Chief since they both have a casual attitude towards eachother, but in some circumstances Johnson has given orders to the Chief.[/quote] The problem with the Chief and his rank is this: Though the Chief may hold on officer's rank, he is a Spartan, and he does not have Oni's permission to deny orders in favor of another mission. As a Spartan, even if he outranks the field commander of that particular base/area, he must take his orders from them, or anyone directly working for them. (Explained in Halo: The Flood when the Chief tries to go against the UNSC Commander of the makeshift base.) So, if Sergant Johnson is under the field Commander (like Keyes, or Lord Hood), and Johnson gives an order, the Chief has to follow it. That being said, often, his only order is to do something along the lines of destroy the enemy base/protect XXXX, eliminate XXXX etc, so he is given the leeway to do it his way.[/quote] Master chief petty officer is John's rank. Master Chief for short.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Stitch [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ensiferous3 Stitch makes a good point. Keyes always called Cortana by her name but Johnson always calls her ma'am. She would have to at least be Chief's rank in this situation right?[/quote] Well that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if Johnson was above or below the Chief since they both have a casual attitude towards eachother, but in some circumstances Johnson has given orders to the Chief.[/quote] The problem with the Chief and his rank is this: Though the Chief may hold on officer's rank, he is a Spartan, and he does not have Oni's permission to deny orders in favor of another mission. As a Spartan, even if he outranks the field commander of that particular base/area, he must take his orders from them, or anyone directly working for them. (Explained in Halo: The Flood when the Chief tries to go against the UNSC Commander of the makeshift base.) So, if Sergant Johnson is under the field Commander (like Keyes, or Lord Hood), and Johnson gives an order, the Chief has to follow it. That being said, often, his only order is to do something along the lines of destroy the enemy base/protect XXXX, eliminate XXXX etc, so he is given the leeway to do it his way.
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I think Cortana holds the rank of Commander, being one of the few A.I. to hold rank. If I remember the book description, only certain A.I. hold rank, depending on their function and post. Cortana holds rank, but Endless Winter does not, etc. A.I. such as Cortana is specifically military oriented, with the ability to control starships, space stations, extreme hacking abilities, and is very human-orientated. With these kinds of abilities, it would make sense to give her rank, simply because she may need to give orders at any one time, and having to take orders froma Commander would make alot more sense in the heat of battle then taking orders from a an A.I.
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She's a smart A.I. I don't think she has a rank. She does know what shes talking about I would listen her.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ensiferous3 Stitch makes a good point. Keyes always called Cortana by her name but Johnson always calls her ma'am. She would have to at least be Chief's rank in this situation right?[/quote] Well that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if Johnson was above or below the Chief since they both have a casual attitude towards eachother, but in some circumstances Johnson has given orders to the Chief.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ISA23 UNSC Most Adorable.[/quote] Agreed
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shadow Xein she's is an A.I she has no rank. A.I's are programned to mostly help people and while doing that they give commands and or orders. But thats what i understand so i can be totaly wrong.[/quote] I think your right instead of orders it's more like what you need to do
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As an A.I. she is only subordinate to those her programmers tell her to be subordinate to.
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Stitch makes a good point. Keyes always called Cortana by her name but Johnson always calls her ma'am. She would have to at least be Chief's rank in this situation right?
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Yeah but like I say, she can give orders. People refer to her as Ma'am, except for those who're generally above.. commanders.. captains.. etc - which all suggest she has viable rank.
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Cortana is utilized as a military device for obtaining helpful information. I don't think she has a rank. Although to make sure, you could go through the books (that I haven't read so don't ask me) that might reveal some sort of rank.
