well it easy to tell that someones living on this planet so the only thing is who?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Apostle777 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Waitin4Disaster I do agree MC is somewhere else in space Why it Can't be the Mini Dyson Sphere Because the remnants of planet onyx and where the sphere would be in actual space Had sentinels and were purposed to defend this shield so if it were the sphere the section of the ship would have been attacked[/quote] it could be the mini DS easily I guess[/quote] Did you even read what i wrote [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Apostle777 i forgot who said it, but GS cannot go insane, it is not a living though, although maybe cause it has Ai it could have. Who knows??[/quote] GS did not go "insane" at the end of halo 3 is because part of his programming is to protect the ring as well as himself (the way GS word it you think hes going insane I thought MB was a humanoid Forerunner AI meant to destroy the flood but was convinced by a Flood gravemind that the flood were the savior of all races but really wasnt

i forgot who said it, but GS cannot go insane, it is not a living though, although maybe cause it has Ai it could have. Who knows??

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Waitin4Disaster I do agree MC is somewhere else in space Why it Can't be the Mini Dyson Sphere Because the remnants of planet onyx and where the sphere would be in actual space Had sentinels and were purposed to defend this shield so if it were the sphere the section of the ship would have been attacked[/quote] it could be the mini DS easily I guess

I do agree MC is somewhere else in space Why it Can't be the Mini Dyson Sphere Because the remnants of planet onyx and where the sphere would be in actual space Had sentinels and were purposed to defend this shield so if it were the sphere the section of the ship would have been attacked

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VP ActionRanger [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrankyApleJuice But how is Medicant Bias still alive. Didn't he get destroyed by OB all those years ago?[/quote] If i am not mistaken the terminals state that Offensive Bias defeated MB and then cored MB and then intended to bring him back to the Forerunners at the Ark. So that brings up the question of what happened to Offensive Bias if MB reached the Ark. The Ark was OB destination after it had captured, cored, and securred Mendicant Bias. It seems that we have missing A.I. Also On a related issue Anyone read the comic with the African tribeman going to the watch the Librarian's machines build the Portal on Earth? The Librarian was supposed to have died with the firing of the rings, she mentioned finding Earth during the Final Catalogue, becoming enamored with it and its inhabitants (humans) and choosing Mt. Killmanjaro as her final resting place. She also mentions the similarities between herself and aboriginal Terrans and deciding the build the portal, using her forerunner machines (u know that ones we blew up so much in Halo2) Anyway. When did that happen? Humans could not have been around back when the Librarian visited the Earth because they would have been killed along with the Librarian due to the Rings' firing (that pesky notochord again).....unless.......she built a Shield Area for the humans that let them out when all the nastiness was over. Otherwise that comic occurred way later (see millions of years) and the robots had the lay in wait, activating when humans evolved in the Forerunners likeness due to the Libraians's mechinations Oh Yeah The Portal from the end of Halo 3 had to send MC somewhere. If it had closed prematurely, severing it in half and sending the front section back to Earth and keeping the back half, then the MC would have died from the ring's firing because he has a notochord. Remember the blast radius for a Halo Ring in several light-years and the ship was using a reaction-drive and not the slipstream drive.....it could not have gotten far enough away...not to mention the Portal from the Ark was right by the Ring.. just thoughts..flame away[/quote] My only thoughts to MC's survival was his suit. I mean it is air tight, and since the firing of the rings kills organisms but doesn't disturb technology (Thus the forerunner artifacts still being around) it may have saved him from the biological weapon that the Halos fire. If this were true, however, this use of shield worlds would but a huge plot hole seeing as everyone could have just worn spacesuits and lived. However I think it is pretty appearant that the portal collapsed on the ship so this is going to have to be explained. It is also possible that the Halo fired a concentrated blast of sorts at the Arc in order to just target that area instead of a few lightyears like it was designed.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VP ActionRanger Oh Yeah The Portal from the end of Halo 3 had to send MC somewhere. If it had closed prematurely, severing it in half and sending the front section back to Earth and keeping the back half, then the MC would have died from the ring's firing because he has a notochord. Remember the blast radius for a Halo Ring in several light-years and the ship was using a reaction-drive and not the slipstream drive.....it could not have gotten far enough away...not to mention the Portal from the Ark was right by the Ring.. just thoughts..flame away[/quote] Finally someone else agrees. I cannot tell you how many times I said that he had to have gone through or else would have died, thank you.. I always get confused about the backstory, but MB was on the flood's side, the rings were activated, and he felt guilty and changed his allegiance even though everyone was dead? Or can someone give me a simple re-cap on what exactly has happened. No thories, just facts stated by terminals or books, you do not have to , but that would be greatly appreciated... [Edited on 01.06.2008 9:03 AM PST]

[quote]Anyone read the comic with the African tribeman going to the watch the Librarian's machines build the Portal on Earth? The Librarian was supposed to have died with the firing of the rings, she mentioned finding Earth during the Final Catalogue, becoming enamored with it and its inhabitants (humans) and choosing Mt. Killmanjaro as her final resting place. She also mentions the similarities between herself and aboriginal Terrans and deciding the build the portal, using her forerunner machines (u know that ones we blew up so much in Halo2) Anyway. When did that happen? Humans could not have been around back when the Librarian visited the Earth because they would have been killed along with the Librarian due to the Rings' firing (that pesky notochord again).....unless.......she built a Shield Area for the humans that let them out when all the nastiness was over. Otherwise that comic occurred way later (see millions of years) and the robots had the lay in wait, activating when humans evolved in the Forerunners likeness due to the Libraians's mechinations[/quote] I'm pretty sure the Librarian took humans aboard the Arc. So hence the Eden bible reference in the terminals. Remember, the Arc is outside the rings' firing range.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrankyApleJuice But how is Medicant Bias still alive. Didn't he get destroyed by OB all those years ago?[/quote] If i am not mistaken the terminals state that Offensive Bias defeated MB and then cored MB and then intended to bring him back to the Forerunners at the Ark. So that brings up the question of what happened to Offensive Bias if MB reached the Ark. The Ark was OB destination after it had captured, cored, and securred Mendicant Bias. It seems that we have missing A.I. Also On a related issue Anyone read the comic with the African tribeman going to the watch the Librarian's machines build the Portal on Earth? The Librarian was supposed to have died with the firing of the rings, she mentioned finding Earth during the Final Catalogue, becoming enamored with it and its inhabitants (humans) and choosing Mt. Killmanjaro as her final resting place. She also mentions the similarities between herself and aboriginal Terrans and deciding the build the portal, using her forerunner machines (u know that ones we blew up so much in Halo2) Anyway. When did that happen? Humans could not have been around back when the Librarian visited the Earth because they would have been killed along with the Librarian due to the Rings' firing (that pesky notochord again).....unless.......she built a Shield Area for the humans that let them out when all the nastiness was over. Otherwise that comic occurred way later (see millions of years) and the robots had the lay in wait, activating when humans evolved in the Forerunners likeness due to the Libraians's mechinations Oh Yeah The Portal from the end of Halo 3 had to send MC somewhere. If it had closed prematurely, severing it in half and sending the front section back to Earth and keeping the back half, then the MC would have died from the ring's firing because he has a notochord. Remember the blast radius for a Halo Ring in several light-years and the ship was using a reaction-drive and not the slipstream drive.....it could not have gotten far enough away...not to mention the Portal from the Ark was right by the Ring.. just thoughts..flame away

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Apostle777 I think that everyone is overthinking that MC is heading toward to. Yes, it could be a random shield world, I agree with that. It has nothing to do witht the Marathon universe as Marathon is a SHIP, and it is not Mars because humans are on Earth and i am sure they would have picked him up if he was there. I simply think he is heading toward the former Forerunner homeworld, as simple as that. I mean, it makes sense when you think about it, becuase we do not know everything about them really, and the next game could reveal stuff like that.[/quote] Very reasonable and supported by the binary in the final terminal (when translated: you will stay, here with me, and meet your forefathers). So, maybe MB (possible on Chief's half of the Dawn) took MC to the forerunner homeworld or maybe even to somewhere far outside the galaxy where forerunners still exist. [quote]Simple question, what is OB?[/quote] Offensive Bias, an AI meant to defeat MB and Gravemind. [Edited on 01.06.2008 8:42 AM PST]

I think that everyone is overthinking where MC is heading to. Yes, it could be a random shield world, I agree with that. It has nothing to do witht the Marathon universe as Marathon is a SHIP, and it is not Mars because humans are on Earth and i am sure they would have picked him up if he was there. I simply think he is heading toward the former Forerunner homeworld, as simple as that. I mean, it makes sense when you think about it, becuase we do not know everything about them really, and the next game could reveal stuff like that. Simple question, what is OB? [Edited on 01.06.2008 8:50 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShadowWolf346 In one of the Terminals it is stated that he is dismantled and taken to the Arc for study. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrankyApleJuice But how is Medicant Bias still alive. Didn't he get destroyed by OB all those years ago?[/quote][/quote] Oh ok thank you.

i have a theory for the next game I think they will make another game called forerunner. I remember that in one game informer magazine itsaid they werent gonna callthe 3rd halo game halo3 instead they were gonna call it forerunner. But they mustve changed their minds because as you can see we have halo3. So it is possible that the next game is called forerunner (if they even make it) im not sure if it will have MC tho. but thats just my 2 cents......

In one of the Terminals it is stated that he is dismantled and taken to the Arc for study. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrankyApleJuice But how is Medicant Bias still alive. Didn't he get destroyed by OB all those years ago?[/quote]

But how is Medicant Bias still alive. Didn't he get destroyed by OB all those years ago?

As for the original question which I left completely unanswered, no I do not believe he betrayed him but rather used the Chief to help himself. As for a new game I have no idea would could be done as far as enemies and weapons would go. I mean human weapons are out of the question. The Chief as the clips on him or in the ship and then he is done. As for enemies, without a half assed last minute time travel twist I just don't think there will be enough familar content in order to make a game that would appeal to the fan base. It is likely a book will tie up the loose end of the Chief. The only way I could see it working is if the planet at the end is the shield world. It is possible that the shield world doesn't exist in slipspace but rathe outside the radias of the blast which would be around the arc. If that were the case then the variable of familar weapons would be filled and the only thing left would likely be enimies with could be a stranded Covies or even the Forerunner themselves who have grown away from their roots and see you as a threat. But I ramble on. It's going to be interesting to see what happens, that's for sure.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aznb01p I think MB is the "presence" cortana senses in high charity.[/quote] You are correct! Mendicant Bias is on board the Dreadnought, which is the presence that was fighting back. That's how Mendicant Bias got to the Ark.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Matu Flp Krawfe [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2013/1811466026_7dcdc919c8_o.jpg[/url] also if you listened to what cortana said at the last cutscence......... * Master Chief: "What happened?" * Cortana: "I'm not sure. When Halo fired, it shook itself to pieces. Did a number on the Ark. The Portal couldn't sustain itself. We made it through just as it collapsed." [/quote] SOME OF US MADE IT. As in, the arbiter did, but not the chief and cortana, so they are adrift somewhere close by to the ark. Just think to yourself, which is the most rational ending for halo, that an dormant AI manipulated slipspace in just a way that he sheared a ship in half, deposited one section of the ship at the intended destination, and the other precicely at the location of a world thats only mentioned in the novels (First strike had no bearing on the story of either Halo 2 or Halo 3, so why should bungie start requiring people to read the books now to follow the plot) in some sort of slipspace bubble OR, the aft section of the ship never made it into the portal in the first place (hence, "some of us made it"), and is adrift near the ark, in the gravity well of a body that was specifically mentioned by the terminals.[/quote] I don't think MB altered the portal, I think he just closed it on the back section of the ship in order to strand Cortana and MC but let the Arbiter return to Earth to be a messenger. Given the Arbiter's lines to Hood he doesn't believe that the MC is dead. Now I am in no way saying that the Arbiter knows more than anyone else but he seems to sense that the MC survived in some way, shape or form. MB knew that he would need to send a messenger to Earth to let them know that the Flood had been defeated so he siezed the oppurtunity to send back the Arbiter while keeping the MC near the Arc and thus close to his creators. From the last Terminal on Legendary you can see that MB wants to send the MC as an example to the Forerunner. It is entirely possible that the Forerunner are completely ignorant to the expansion of humanity and MB wants to show them what their children have accomplished, the MC being the most perfect specimen of those accomplishments. So by sending the Arbiter to Earth he was able to help the humans and let them know that peace had come and he was able to help himself and sent the MC into Forerunner space where he would likely be found along with a possibled copy or fragment of MB (My theory is that one exists inside of Cortana's matrix) to tell them of what he had down to make up for his misgivings. As for 343 Guilty spark, I don't believe he was "made" by MB but it is entirely possible that a fragment of MB existed in him. However, MB never was said to have made it to Installation 04 so I think this is highly unlikely. I think that 343 was rampant, as were many if not all of the monitors by this time but that was by pure boredom. 100,000 years is a long time to think, eventually a few illogical paths are going to be made in his mind that could lead to some rash conclusions. I do not believe that he was programmed to attack the MC when he was going to set off the ring before it was finished but rather he had become rampant and thought of himself as the rightful owner of Installation 04 and not even the Forerunner were going to take that from him. A logical thinking monitor would have agreed with this course of action as the best to ensure the stop of the flood knowing that the Arc and the ring would once again be repaired by the time the next threat of the flood came (and their return was unlikely seeing as how the races who defeated them were still alive unlike 100,000 years prior) I mean it only took what, 2 or 3 years to almost completely repair Installation 04? We are not talking about hundreds of years or even decades to repair that damage. If 343 were right he would have known that the damage done to the Arc was a needed sacrifice seeing as how fast Forerunner tech can repair itself. That's just my 2 cents, it's likely I am wrong but it makes sense with the direction the story is heading. [Edited on 01.06.2008 8:02 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Matu Flp Krawfe [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] superDorifto no i didnt... anyway, MB wasnt onboard the repalcement for 04, so even tho he had contact with the chief through a terminal on the last level what could MB really do to help? it was 343's installation after all. i think the terminal fragment was just that, a fragment. we dont know that the ark was destroyed completely, and as far as im concerned MB is still on the ark....[/quote]im 100% sure the ark wasn't destroyed,and MB could've change the destination of the portal,leading to the shield world.[/quote] The planet at the end of halo 3 is NOT the shield world. If you paid attention to the terminals, the forerunner constructed artificial orbitals (in normal space, theres one being built in the middle of the ark, its the big sphere thats not done yet) to replace worlds that were lost in the war against the flood, and the subsiquent indexing of species. Its not onyx, its just one of these replacement orbitals. Next, the portal DID NOT SEND THE CHIEF TO SOME OTHER SECTION OF SPACE. It failed, closing prematurely, BEFORE the aft section of the foreward unto dawn made it through, shearing it off, leaving the chief to drift into space under the momentum built up during the escape from the second instilation 04. It then proceded to be caught in the gravity well of one of the forerunenr replacement orbitals, being the only massive objects around the ark, and the rest you saw in the cutscene. How you could get alterior destinations, with medicant bias at the helm, is beyond me.[/quote]not at shield world huh? [url]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2013/1811466026_7dcdc919c8_o.jpg[/url] also if you listened to what cortana said at the last cutscence......... * Master Chief: "What happened?" * Cortana: "I'm not sure. When Halo fired, it shook itself to pieces. Did a number on the Ark. The Portal couldn't sustain itself. We made it through just as it collapsed." [/quote] Lol the planet kinda looks like coruscant at night. newest big hit STAR WARS EPISODE Vll: RETURN OF THE CHIEF [Edited on 01.06.2008 7:56 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] citizenER4SED Spark was deffenitly rampant. It spent millenia on installation 04 ALONE. Most humans in solitary go nuts after just a couple days, imagine centuries upon centuries of being alone. That's probably why it's humming all the time. 343 Guitly Spark has to be rampant. However I do believe it killed Johnson and faught Cheif because it was following protocol. Its task was to keep 04 opperating and it realized Chief would interfere with that so it attacked.[/quote] spark cannot be rampant or angry because anger is a human emotion,Guilty spark is a machine he was following protocol guilty spark --------------> [b]((O)<(no emotion)[/b]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ern456 Probably he meant he betrayed the flood because the flood was his former master[/quote] Gotta go with that one.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2013/1811466026_7dcdc919c8_o.jpg[/url] also if you listened to what cortana said at the last cutscence......... * Master Chief: "What happened?" * Cortana: "I'm not sure. When Halo fired, it shook itself to pieces. Did a number on the Ark. The Portal couldn't sustain itself. We made it through just as it collapsed." [/quote] SOME OF US MADE IT. As in, the arbiter did, but not the chief and cortana, so they are adrift somewhere close by to the ark. Just think to yourself, which is the most rational ending for halo, that an dormant AI manipulated slipspace in just a way that he sheared a ship in half, deposited one section of the ship at the intended destination, and the other precicely at the location of a world thats only mentioned in the novels (First strike had no bearing on the story of either Halo 2 or Halo 3, so why should bungie start requiring people to read the books now to follow the plot) in some sort of slipspace bubble OR, the aft section of the ship never made it into the portal in the first place (hence, "some of us made it"), and is adrift near the ark, in the gravity well of a body that was specifically mentioned by the terminals.

read my theory. sorry if its too long. i tried to make it more interesting for those concerned with the story. http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=14545774 it should answer your question. at least i think.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] citizenER4SED By the way I think it's weird everyone refers to Guilty Spark and Medicant Bias as "he". I'm pretty sure AI programs don't have a gender.[/quote]they are boy men. so what do you think cortana is?

By the way I think it's weird everyone refers to Guilty Spark and Medicant Bias as "he". I'm pretty sure AI programs don't have a gender.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LtMcBiscut [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MANEIL99 shield world is onyx[/quote] No -blam!-. So wait, you're saying you believe the planet at the end was actually the outside of the MD sphere? I could buy that.... but how is that keeping Chief safe? There was no peril waiting for him on earth.... so its not like he saved Chief's life by sending him there.[/quote] I don't think MB rerouted the portal, but if it that's true, I think he did it becasue he needed help from Chief. He needed help so he sent Chief to that world from the legendary ending and now MB is there waiting for Chief to start some new quest. I believe the portal simply just failed becasue of the 04 explosion though, and Chief was just unlucky to get stuck halfway through the portal travel.