____________________________________________________ FINAL EDIT (please try to read all of this one): Yup, here goes our little petition. There are more than 100 signs so it probably goes there... somewhere... (it's not mine, I don't know how these things works ;)) HOWEVER... Do I really think that petition will change Bungie's mind? If it was just for that, I don't think that any petition was ever necessary - Bungie perfectly knows that many people would play their game on split screen. They are in this business long enough and they know the numbers. However their priority is to deliver game with beautiful graphics so everyone will see it (DeeJ admited that: [url]http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post?id=65395855&path=1[/url]), so Bungie can build their position on next gen market. [b]Bungie knows how much split screen is popular and that's exactly the reason why they've not implemented it right now[/b] (and that's why they were waiting with bad news to the last possible moment). Since many people uses split screen, many people would see scaled down graphics (to 50% or 25% of details - depending on how many friends/household members someone's has) and that's exactly what Bungie doesn't want when their so-called next gen franchise is storming the market. Yes, that's actual meaning of their official statement made by DeeJ. No, this approach isn't something new, as the same thing happened with many games when last gen of consoles was starting up. Nevertheless we still should make feedback (just like this petition - signatories: you're the best!), so they know we're not buying their farce as we care more about our friends and families, than we care about how the game looks - last gen, next gen, any gen. [b]Adding split screen in update is always possible[/b] (Bungie isn't denying that, since they know it's true) and that actually happened several times for several different games (in past and very recently, for huge and small games, released by major developers and indie studios). When everybody's done with enjoying their eyes with full screen, this game will need some substance and that's exactly what split screen will deliver for most of us. That's why it's needed ASAP instead of waiting another few years. And Bungie? When dust settles they'll need as many players in their new franchise as they can get (it's constant hype what makes game/dlcs sale and cash flow), and actually they know what will bring these players to it. So... [b]Cheer up people. Keep pushing.[/b] Bungie, stop playing this farce with us. You know what we want so just give it to us. Sooner than later. Also I would like to thank all of those ignorant, clueless, selfish brats who are against and since they never (or rarely) played split screen, don't know shit about how it actually works: With your stupid "arguments" you not only ridicule lack of split screen, but also you're not letting this subject to rot. You're -blam!-ing disgrace for gaming community and I hope you die, but thanks. EDIT 4: There's some serious misinformation about how split screen will affect solo people. Let's get this straight: IT WILL NOT. Adding split screen will in no way affect your perfectly looking, single screen game. If you have any doubts, please let me explain to you some basic facts about rendering: [spoiler]Graphical engines are scalable. If you have split screen, all it will do, is scaling down amount of details, so amount of calculation is same as when you're playing single screen (NOT the other way). For rendering, it makes no difference if it's showing 1 object, that is made out of 20000 polygons (these are triangles which are creating 3d scene), or 2 objects made out of 10000 polygons, or even 4 objects made out of 5000 polygons. This doesn't mean any extra work with making less detailed graphics for split screen, because it's already there: even for single screen graphic engine is scalling down level of details according to what's going on. E.g. it's using low-poly models for objects that are in distance (and actually, same applies to entire world), because otherwise, especially with this huge open world, game would simply not work even on most advanced hardware. In split screen engine just makes scalling down more agressive (BUT ONLY FOR SPLIT SCREEN). When Bungie said that reason for which they dropped down split screen is that they wanted to make better graphics: YES, this is true, BUT only for those of us, who actually will play on split screen. Since split screen people don't have problem with scaled down graphics (they got to used to it since GoldenEye), and it will not affect at all single screen people, this kind of explanation doesn't make sense at all.[/spoiler] Does solo people have any benefits from having split screen? Actually yes. It will increase amount of players for entire game, so there will be more people who can play online with all of you. Why to make 1 online friend when you can have 2 or 3 or 4 at the same time? Also, especially for next gen consoles, it means that all this talk about buying another console (+TV, +game, +PS/Gold subscription), doesn't make any sense, saving your money and space in your house. Let me show you something: [url]http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/teusz/polygon-count-diminishing-returns-consoles_zpsbb882486.jpeg[/url] What does it mean? It means that most of us playing Destiny on PS4 will not even notice scaled down graphics for 2 player split screen. Even for 4 player split screen, amount of details for each player will be bigger than playing PS3 version single screen! That makes cross playing useless in terms of playing the game with your household members, when you can have just much more with single PS4. BUT is there anything else, apart for graphic, that can drag down game for split screen people? Actually yes: actual gameplay and way these objects are interacting with each other. However for Destiny, all what next gen people get is better graphics. All other elements are same between last and next gen consoles. In these terms PS4 could literally run several Destiny's at once, without a sweat. Since Bungie haven't denied possibility of adding split screen in the future, we all should ask for it. No one loses. Everyone wins. EDIT 5: "But Destiny's online game! Won't my PS4 explode by sending/receiving information about so many players at once?" Your PS4 will do fine. Since you're limited with speed of your internet connection, amount of information that PS4's network hardware can handle is many, many times bigger. However your router may explode if you connect too many devices to it. That's why playing online on single console is better choice than many consoles in single household. Especially with dedicated servers, who don't give a damn if players are playing together or not - they will handle each player equally. *Xbox One users might want to put "XBone" instead of "PS4" - it's ok. ORIGINAL: As some of you know, Bungie said there will be no split screen available in Destiny. That means those of us who actually have real-life friends and families, won't be able to share with them this huge, open world (and actually anything else...). There is other thread where we can talk why, despite Bungie's lame excuses, this is BS (here: http://www.bungie.net/7_Should-Destiny-add-splitscreen/en/Forum/Post?id=65349153#referred-Destiny ). One good soul started petition and I'm making this thread so more people can see it. If you don't want to play with bunch of random people, when your wife/brother/sister/friend is sitting right next to you, please sign it: [url]http://www.change.org/petitions/destiny-add-split-screen-co-op[/url] EDIT: Yes the game's out in 3 months. However split screen is still possible to be added in a patch. There were games (e.g. UT3 on PS3) who got this feature even several months after release. However it's better earlier than later, and the more people will sign, the more likely Bungie will take it into consideration. EDIT 2: I remind you that there's another thread with tons of arguments for which 1) lack of split screen is BS, 2) adding split screen is not only possible, but necessary. We can all discuss there... ...or actually it's better to bump up this thread a little bit ;) EDIT 3: Even though I know how egocentric this bungie.net so called "community" is, I'm surprised with some of posts. It's like adding split screen will take away anything from some of you. I think this thread will make clear some things out: [url]http://www.bungie.net/7_Should-Destiny-add-splitscreen/en/Forum/Post?id=65349153#referred-Destiny[/url]