My hypothesis is that Master Chief is Didact reincarnated. Not literally or spiritually, but in that their genetic makeup is similar enough for an AI to mistake one for another. This would lead me to also hypothesize that the Forerunner and Humans are the same race. The below is my basis (or bias, however you would like to see it).
Firstly, from [b]Halo CE[/b] we all remember 04-343 GS’s cryptic quotes:
[i]343 Guilty Spark: ...More or less. Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of up to 25,000 light years. But, once others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life. Or, at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the Flood. But you already knew that. I mean... how couldn't you?
Cortana: Left out that little detail, did he?
343 Guilty Spark: [to the Chief] We followed outbreak procedure to the letter. You were with me each step of the way as we managed this crisis.
Cortana: [bows her head] I'm tracking movement, we have to go!
343 Guilty Spark: [still talking to the Chief] Why would you hesitate to do what you've already done?
Cortana: We have to go! We have to move now!
343 Guilty Spark: [four Sentinels appear behind him] Last time you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your querey, my answer has not changed. [/i]
What could be the significance of GS mistaking Master Chief to be someone he had previously communicated with? Further, how is it possible for GS to mistake MC to have been there when Installation 04 was previously fired many millennia ago? The explanation most probable to me is that MC is Didact.
How? I would like to explain first why I think Forerunners and Humans are the same. To do that it might be easiest to investigate where the Precursors fit in all of this. There must be a reason we are provided with yet another race in the Bestiarum, the Precursors. This is a race that even the Forerunners believed to be mythical. There are several instances in the Terminal conversations between Didact and the Librarian in which I believe the Precursors are referenced.
[b]Terminal Two [/b]
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D: No. Activation is murder. A genocide larger than [this galaxy] has ever known. We are sworn to protect life not destroy it! That is the Mantle we were given to carry.
L: The Mantle. You still hold to that [fairy tale] after all that has happened? After this thing has consumed a million worlds?
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D: The Mantle has not failed! I've already razed scores of worlds--sterilized systems, routed and [disintegrated] the parasite! We're learning its tricks and strategies. We can halt this thing! And we can follow in Their footsteps! [/i]
So, we discover from this conversation that there is such a thing as The Mantle, and that it is considered, largely or maybe only partially, to be a fairy tale. Then Didact refers to Their footsteps, with a capital T. From this dialogue, in adjunction to the Bestiarum, I have established, to myself in the least, that the Precursors are a mythical race even to the Forerunners. More importantly though, it seems to me that there must have been a great threat of some sort in the time before the Forerunners under which The Mantle was a necessity to pass on to begin with. I believe this was also The Flood based on the following quote.
[b]Iris Episode 2 [/b]
[i]{//} (BUT WHEN THE MIND REALIZED WE HAD ITS MEASURE)
it spoke to us
{//} (MOCKINGLY, DISMISSIVELY)
It has done this before
{//} (ELSEWHERE) [/i]
Now what makes me think that Humans are Forerunner? I will give some direct quotes followed by some quotes and sources that are open to interpretation.
[b]Contact Harvest [/b]
[i]AI (Which I believe to be a fragment of Mendicant Bias, but mostly irrelevant to the validity of my hypothesis):
< THIS IS NOT RECLAMATION ... THIS IS RECLAIMER ... AND THOSE IT REPRESENTS ARE MY MAKERS >[/i]
[b]Halo 3 [/b]
[i]343 Guilty Spark: You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind. You are Forerunner. [/i]
It doesn’t get any more direct than this. GS says without question that the MC is Forerunner. Also according to the AI from Contact Harvest, Forerunners made the AI, the AI identifies humans on Harvest as its makers. Therefore the humans on Harvest are Forerunner. I think the logic holds whatever “it” represents. Just substitute “it” with “the glyph” or “reclaimer” or what have you.
[b]Iris Episode 5 [/b]
[i]The anomalous world is in a perilous location beyond the line.
{//} (THE SECRETS IT HOLDS MUST BE PRESERVED)
{//} (PLANS WITHIN PLANS WITHIN PLANS)
The inhabitants; these unique denizens, must be researched.
They may hold answers to our own mysteries. [/i]
[b]Terminal 6 [/b]
[i]L: My work is done. The portal is inactive, and I've begun the burial measures. Soon there'll be nothing but sand and rock and normal ferrite signatures.
You should see the mountain that watches over it. A beautiful thing--a snowcapped sentinel. That's where I will spend what time is left to me.
Did I tell you? I built a garden. The earth is so rich. A seed falls and a tree sprouts or a flower blooms. There's so much...potential. We knew this was a special place because of them, but unless you've been here, you can't know.
It's [Eden]. [/i]
[b]Halo 3: The Cradle of Life [/b]
[i]“And he watches the Gods as they build their machines.” [/i]
These three are more of the indirect sources to support my hypothesis. I believe the anomalous world referenced in Episode 5 is Earth, and the unique denizens are human. The world is anomalous because the Forerunner discovered a race identical to themselves yet technologically primitive. I cannot think of any other reason why human beings would be considered so unique and still tie in to my previous evidence. This may hold answers to the Forerunners’ own mysteries of where they come from and how they got here. This is where the Precursors fit in, but before I get to that…
From the Librarian’s log in Terminal 6 we find that she has completed burial measures of the portal, which I believe is the portal to the Ark we see in Halo 3. The beautiful, snowcapped sentinel of a mountain she mentions is Mount Kilimanjaro. Mount Kilimanjaro is in the border between Tanzania and Kenya, and just west of Mombasa, which would be very near to where New Mombasa would be built sometime in the future. Most importantly however, her reference to ‘them’ is no doubt the human beings she found on Earth. It is very unlikely that ‘them’ refers to anything else previously mentioned in her log since if so, grammatically it should be a reference to the trees or flowers, which I personally rather doubt would make the planet so special. Once again, the only reason I can think of why human beings would make a place so special, and still tie into my other evidence, is that we are genetically identical to Forerunner and therefore hold the answers to their own mysteries.
In the Cradle of Life we see N’Chala watching as machines dig deep into the earth. I believe this is the portal to the Ark they are building near New Mombasa. N’Chala is obviously not a party of the Librarian’s since he is very unaware of what is being built or of what origin the machines are. This indicates that his kind was already present on Earth when the Librarian discovered the planet and began construction of the portal. The significance of this is that, if you have bought into my theory that humans are Forerunner, it raises the question of just how the hell did we seemingly originate from two separate worlds and still evolve into genetically identical species? The Precursors. The most plausible way for me to be able to explain the introduction of Precursors with the fact that humanity is Forerunner, is that we were put into this world by Precursors. How is a story for another time…
Let’s look at the flipside. If humanity were not Forerunner, there would be no reason for the existence of Precursors in the storyline. The Mantle could simply be a fact and not a fairy tale. There would be no reason for the Forerunner to have mysteries about themselves without Precursors, but even if there were a reason, there would be no reason for human beings to hold the answer to those mysteries.
So I’ve thoroughly convinced myself and hopefully at least another poor soul who has read through this wall of text, that humanity is Foreruner. But why is Spartan 117 Master Chief a reincarnation of Didact? Well, first of all I need to explain why I believe it was Didact who triggered Halo 04.
First off we know that it was a humanoid being who triggered Halo 04 based on 04-343 GS’s dialogue in Halo CE. Feel free to read it at the beginning of this post to refresh your memory. We know the humanoid was a Forerunner since only reclaimers are allowed to activate the Halos, and reclaimers = Humans = Forerunner. Now why do I think it was Didact who fired Halo 04?
[b]Terminal 2 [/b]
[i]Librarian to Didact: Please. Activate the Array. [/i]
[b]Terminal 4 [/b]
[i]Librarian to Didact: This may be our last communication. I'm begging you. Fire the Array. Light the weapon, and let it be done. [/i]
[b]Terminal 7 [/b]
[i]Didact to Librarian: It's over. We're activating the [destruction arrayed matrix], our shameful last resort. I can picture you in your garden, surveying all you have created--surveying all you have preserved. And I curse the circumstance that keeps my finger on the trigger. [/i]
Hmmm… I wonder who has the authority to activate the Halo arrays. I could be wrong, and/or the Librarian and Didact might be completely delusional, but my money’s on Didact. You get the idea. Furthermore… (continued below)
[Edited on 12.30.2007 1:24 AM PST]
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This theory has depth and leaves nothing unexplained, so I congratulate you.
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humans 100,000 years ago were about as smart as the cavemen in sierra 117. so i doubt humans were part of a group.
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What if the Forerunners are not a race, but a collaboration like the covenant. Humans were possibly the last addition before the rings were fired. If human being all originated from a few people, there would be inbreeding... What if Dr Halsey found something Forerunner that she never shared with others that gives the genetic markers of the the original humans. Maybe she found a way to restore the original humans with some gene that only a few had and she could latch her genetic cocktail onto them to restore what humans used to be, aka the Spartans. Why else would she be such a fanatic and trick all the remaining Spartans II's to a shield world to save them on Onyx?
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Brilliant theory, I just can't believe that more people didn't already think that humans were the forerunner 'cause i started thinking that after Halo 1
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your thinking about this to much... of course the humans descended from forerunners..and mc ended up fall on to the planet the forerunners ran to after they escaped the flood...thats all there is
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BahamutZ3RO I don't think John is anything more than an exceptional soldier. John wasn't the first person Guilty Spark tried to send after the Index. The first person was a Staff Sergeant named Marvin Mobuto. Guilty Spark recognizes any human as a Forerunner and therefore considers them a Reclaimer. Miranda and Johnson were both captured to fire the Halos, so Halo access clearly isn't a genetic thing. [quote]I beleave that maybe some sort of a DNA strand was discoverd by the UNSC, and applied the SPARTAN-II's, Because, If you read the books, they ALL have a strange feeling everytime they see forerunner/covenent tech.[/quote] The more logical assumption is that they recognize the writing because it's an ancient language also found on Earth (left behind by the Forerunners), albeit a little more convoluted after the Covenant prettied it up.[/quote] Then why do none of the other humans have this . . . familiarity, with Covie. tech? And you can't it's because they weren't trained in the languages, Because the SPARTAN-II's AI teacher, Who's name I just forgot, Didn't ever mention this familiarity with the tech. No, I think it's much more likely that the had some sort of a genetic therapy, and thus have the aforementioned effects aorund the Covenet Technoligies. Props to the OP, BTW. Great theory!
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welll theirs nobody possible way one of d or l sorry forgot witch one was pregnate lol but mc was genetically modified to be what he is but the detail it adds up well.
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I meant genetic in the sense that John's DNA probably does not match Didact's. The OP's argument was that John was a reincarnated Didact because Spark recognized him as the Reclaimer, and because he was able to fire a Halo ring. Clearly, any human can do that. I wasn't arguing that they're not the same species. Quite the opposite, since I specifically said, "Guilty Spark recognizes any human as a Forerunner and therefore considers them a Reclaimer.". But whatever.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BahamutZ3RO I don't think John is anything more than an exceptional soldier. John wasn't the first person Guilty Spark tried to send after the Index. The first person was a Staff Sergeant named Marvin Mobuto. Guilty Spark recognizes any human as a Forerunner and therefore considers them a Reclaimer. Miranda and Johnson were both captured to fire the Halos, so Halo access clearly isn't a genetic thing. [quote]I beleave that maybe some sort of a DNA strand was discoverd by the UNSC, and applied the SPARTAN-II's, Because, If you read the books, they ALL have a strange feeling everytime they see forerunner/covenent tech.[/quote] The more logical assumption is that they recognize the writing because it's an ancient language also found on Earth (left behind by the Forerunners), albeit a little more convoluted after the Covenant prettied it up.[/quote] There is a genetic tie... a tie that all humans happen to hold. Also a tie that all covenant (and any other spieces for all we know) do not hold. The fact that humans can use Forerunner tech while other races can't SUPPORTS such a genetic factor, not the other way around.
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@OP: Hmmm... Wow... I like you... [Edited on 01.09.2008 10:08 PM PST]
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I don't think John is anything more than an exceptional soldier. John wasn't the first person Guilty Spark tried to send after the Index. The first person was a Staff Sergeant named Marvin Mobuto. Guilty Spark recognizes any human as a Forerunner and therefore considers them a Reclaimer. Miranda and Johnson were both captured to fire the Halos, so Halo access clearly isn't a genetic thing. [quote]I beleave that maybe some sort of a DNA strand was discoverd by the UNSC, and applied the SPARTAN-II's, Because, If you read the books, they ALL have a strange feeling everytime they see forerunner/covenent tech.[/quote] The more logical assumption is that they recognize the writing because it's an ancient language also found on Earth (left behind by the Forerunners), albeit a little more convoluted after the Covenant prettied it up. [Edited on 01.09.2008 9:00 PM PST]
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I beleave that maybe some sort of a DNA strand was discoverd by the UNSC, and applied the SPARTAN-II's, Because, If you read the books, they ALL have a strange feeling everytime they see forerunner/covenent tech. Just a thought, 'cuz I REALLY DOUBT that they would bring reincarnation into Halo . . . Up to this point, Almost everything in the series is at [i]LEAST[/i] plausible.
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other then the hint of circular logic (Chief Is Didact so Humans are forerunner, so Chief is Didact) it seems good
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your theory is very good, i commend you however i can find no reason as to why all the halos would be activated from installation 04 and if the array was indeed fired from installation 04 then Didact would also have died from the resulting "kill you dead" pulse it would seem more reasonable to activate the halos from the ark, where he would be out of the range of the halo's 'kill you dead" pulse however this would suggest that spark and Didact were in relation before the firing of the arrays
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thats what i posted in another topic gorilla at least someone else thinks that. except that the forerunners built the rings. who said that humans were the only ones that were spared. [Edited on 01.09.2008 5:41 PM PST]
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didact (n.): One over inclined to teach others. what if the portal sent MC back to forerunner time, during their battle with the flood and their possible unknowing of the rings. he teaches them of the latter and sets them off himself, creating a circular repeating plot.
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What if the Flood are the Precursors and continue this cycle to be able to continuously feed and sustain their own biomass? So little is known about them, their origin or their true intelligence. Wouldn't that suck! On a side note, a didact is also one who moralizes, which could be a joke by Bungie because of the character's constant, well, moralizing. [Edited on 01.09.2008 1:53 PM PST]
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This is a very good theory but you forgot one part. Why or how did the covenant survive the initial blast when humans were the only ones preserved. It took me 15 minutes to read but this theory is the most plausible in my opinion. Everything just kinda fits together. Have a cookie.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] desert_snake Good theory, but there's a bit too much conjecture for my tastes. I will, however, take it as solid proof that humans are genetically identical to Forerunners. By the way, why is his name "Didact"? The only thing that would make sense is that Didact means "teacher" (didactic), but that doesn't exactly seem like the kind of person who commands fleets of dreadnoughts. [/quote]The word "didact" means "one who teaches." so mabey he taught something an important lesson.
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Good theory, but there's a bit too much conjecture for my tastes. I will, however, take it as solid proof that humans are genetically identical to Forerunners. By the way, why is his name "Didact"? The only thing that would make sense is that Didact means "teacher" (didactic), but that doesn't exactly seem like the kind of person who commands fleets of dreadnoughts.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Acturater I've also been replied with a response on HBO that Precursors, Forerunner, and Humanity are all the same and all time is cyclical.[/quote] I have often thought that as well. That Humanity is trapped in a never ending cycle with the flood. Each destruction is followed by rebirth followed by destruction once again. The cycle would continue until one of the opponents made a critical error causing the other to prevail. The best thing about all of this is that if you are even close to being accurate the Halo universe has limitless potential... [Edited on 01.09.2008 1:24 PM PST]
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Playing through Mass Effect make me realize that Halo is very similar...and perhaps will have a very similar outcome in the end. In mass effect, there's a system of constant rising and constant extinction....caused by a certain trigger. Perhaps there's more even behind the Forerunner, and before the Precursors themselves.....and they to were struck down by that system or rise and die. Sometimes, I even thing there's more that just the Flood...something that we'll have to find later on in the series or next series, etc. Only problem is that Bungie has traded storytelling for multiplayer and good old arcade gameplays. I would love to see Bungie alter the way the game unfolds, in which the game focuses on the good old gameplay itself....but provides many more cutscenes and level ending cinemas. Not to mention backstory elemets like the Terminals should be more frequent as well.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mass death librarian tells didact that it will spend the rest of its life on the mountain overlooking the ark which is mount killamanjaro. the librarian creates a oasis of sorts in the desert and names it eden this is where modern humans begin. this could also be where moses got the ten commandments from. the mountain he went on might not have been named mount killamanjaro yet. so moses got the tablets or Mantle from the librarian. the flaming bush that spoke to that guy in the bible also could have been the librarian covered in bushes that grew around what ever is keeping it working. the forerunners did not create humans. they only "changed" our genetic data so that we were close enough to forerunners to activate halo if the need ever arose to use them again. humans would have taken forever to evolve but because the forerunners sped up our evolution we evolved extremely fast. the halos did not kill all humans. im pretty sure no where in the terminals does it say that they indexed humans. this matters because every creature that was indexed was killed by halo. when they indexed a creature it was like programing it to kill only those creatures on the index. the reason only humans can use the index is because chief is didact. when he went back in time and overlooked the building of the halos. he told the forerunners about the covenant and their plan to use them. to prevent them from using them the indexed was programmed with like a genetic scanner of sorts to only allow humans to use it. exciting find!! [url]http://www.holidays.net/shavuot/ten.htm[/url] this website claims that the desert was barren but the mountain they set camp on was lush and green. am i the only one who thinks this is where the garden of eden is and that it is actually mount Kilimanjaro. on a side note i posted that mc is didact before him.[/quote]1 thing wrong didact=man librarian=women not 'it'
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the city is new mombasa and it isnt the city in the backround.
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[quote] Yes, you're correct. not all humans are recongnized as Reclaimers. Only Spartans, funny enough. [/quote] sorry but miranda can activate halo and spark and chief find a dead marine in halo 1 and spark says the marine is a reclaimer. so your facts are off. [Edited on 01.07.2008 7:29 PM PST]
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librarian tells didact that it will spend the rest of its life on the mountain overlooking the ark which is mount killamanjaro. the librarian creates a oasis of sorts in the desert and names it eden this is where modern humans begin. this could also be where moses got the ten commandments from. the mountain he went on might not have been named mount killamanjaro yet. so moses got the tablets or Mantle from the librarian. the flaming bush that spoke to that guy in the bible also could have been the librarian covered in bushes that grew around what ever is keeping it working. the forerunners did not create humans. they only "changed" our genetic data so that we were close enough to forerunners to activate halo if the need ever arose to use them again. humans would have taken forever to evolve but because the forerunners sped up our evolution we evolved extremely fast. the halos did not kill all humans. im pretty sure no where in the terminals does it say that they indexed humans. this matters because every creature that was indexed was killed by halo. when they indexed a creature it was like programing it to kill only those creatures on the index. the reason only humans can use the index is because chief is didact. when he went back in time and overlooked the building of the halos. he told the forerunners about the covenant and their plan to use them. to prevent them from using them the indexed was programmed with like a genetic scanner of sorts to only allow humans to use it. exciting find!! [url]http://www.holidays.net/shavuot/ten.htm[/url] this website claims that the desert was barren but the mountain they set camp on was lush and green. am i the only one who thinks this is where the garden of eden is and that it is actually mount killamanjaro. on a side note i posted that mc is didact before him. [Edited on 01.07.2008 7:20 PM PST]