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Edited by dazarobbo: 2/7/2014 1:01:38 AM
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7 Days in Genesis.

I've been thinking about how in the book of Genesis, it is said that God created the universe in 7 days. This is one of the many things secular groups use to disprove the Bible. But what did Genesis truly mean by a "day"? When people first wrote the Bible, they did not have words for the great amounts we do today, such as a billion. They could not even comprehend such numbers. Perhaps a "day" is the closest translation those ancient peoples were capable of. What is a "day" to God? Before the universe was created, there was no concept of a day, for there was no Earth or Sun. God is ageless and eternal. A "day" to him could be a billion, or perhaps even a trillion, years. Perhaps the creation of the universe, the evolution of singular cells to animals, and the rise and fall of the dinosaurs, all could have been part of the 7 days leading up to the creation of the human race. Could evolution be the process God used to create and perfect humans? God is not bound by our perceptions or concepts of time. He follows his own rules. What do you guys think? This was meant to be a serious thread, not a fire starter. Please be respectful to one another. Obvious trolls will be ignored.

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    • It would make things easier to stomach in the Bible, but then you have to do the same with the rest of it. Take the Flood, was the Flood a salt-water or fresh-water Flood? Depending on the one, you are going to have a lot of dead fish and I don't think Noah built an aquarium on the ark.

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        I think there are a lot of ways to interpret the seven days part of the creation story, but I also think that detail is pretty much the least important thing in that part of the Bible. The short summary of the story is that God made everything absolutely perfect on Earth, then put humans in there with just one rule. No eating from the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that grew in the middle of the garden. People were tempted by the snake, the fruit, and the possibility of Godhood and ate it anyway. There are a couple of lessons here about human nature that are much more important than anything about how the universe was created, IMO. First, it stresses that given the choice between the two, people will desire personal Godhood over a perfect world. Adam and Eve had everything provided, immortality, no diseases, complete comfort, really everything a person could want. When the serpent tempted Eve to eat the fruit, he told her that she would become "like God", and it worked. The consequences of this aspiration to Godhood were disastrous! This still holds true today. Just look at any delusion tyrant who aspires to Godhood and ruins the world, or at least their share of it. Second, it shows that mankind will try to add things to God's word and impose them on other people. This one is subtle, but it's there. When the serpent asks Eve if God really said you must not eat from any tree in the garden, Eve's response is that they must not eat from the tree in the middle of the garden, [i]nor even touch it[/i], or they will die. That's not what God told Adam! He just told Adam they couldn't eat from it, and Adam added the part about touching it. In this story, remember, God told Adam that before Eve was created. It doesn't say that God told her that, so she was probably going on what Adam said. He added that bit. The fact that Eve thought God said that probably gave the serpent an opening, because she could touch it and not die, and she would think that proved God wrong. This is the first example of people adding stuff to what God said and it making God look bad. For current examples, you could look at WBC. So there's these two great and accurate lessons about human nature and man's relationship with God and the idea of Godhood, but all anyone seems to focus on any more is whether or not the 7 days is literal. In my opinion, literal or not, that part is largely a back drop to some other teaching that's being ignored.

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        • God also said killing is wrong.

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          • Edited by Predator5791: 2/7/2014 9:47:25 PM
            [quote]Before the universe was created, there was no concept of a day, for there was no Earth or Sun. A "day" to him could be a billion, or perhaps even a trillion, years.[/quote] [b]1:3[/b] - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [b]1:4[/b] - And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. [b]1:5[/b] - [u]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.[/u] The word "day" has been translated from the Hebrew word "[i]yom[/i]"[b] יום [/b], which means hot. I managed to find [url=http://moedtorah.blogspot.com/2010/09/hebrew-word-for-day-is-yowm.html]this[/url] that will help you understand the meaning of the word and its context. If you want to know what the original writings on the tablets and scribes were, use [url=http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=1&v=5#s=1001]this[/url], and click 'tools' near the verse. [quote][b]In addition:[/b] Exodus 31: 12 - And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying... Exodus 31: 15 -For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Exodus 31: 17 - It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.[/quote] And be mindful that Moses wrote the first five books in The Bible(excluding the last bit of Deuteronomy), also referred to as the Pentateuch or Law: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

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            • No the Bible says they are 6 literal days and on the seventh he rested they are 24 hour days.

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              • Anything that let's you interpret it in such a variety of ways isn't something you should try and interpret in the first place.

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                • Edited by HurtfulTurkey: 2/7/2014 3:50:13 PM
                  There are a lot of good posts on this thread, and I don't want to just mirror them, so let me add something: the bible was written for uneducated peasants. Not necessarily stupid people, but people with very little concept of science. Now try describing the Big Bang to them. You could try telling them about an infinitesimal point of mass exploding due to some quantum reasons, expanding outwards, creating planets and stars out of the entropy. I doubt that would work very well. Ancient Jews would write historical texts differently than "story" texts. They would denote this by showing population numbers, specific locations or events, or lists of names. We don't see that in Genesis until well after humanity has left the garden of eden. So am I telling you with certainty that genesis isn't exactly literal? No, because I have no way of proving that. But I am saying that for believers, it has no effect on salvation, and that it seems like the author did not intend to write a historical or scientific textbook.

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                  • I was just thinking about how Creationism makes no sense and about how there's no way to rationalize, explain, prove, recreate or test it. It's all based on Faith. Speaking of Faith, did you know it's definition is crazy close to that of Delusion. The more you know.

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                    • I've thought this for a while, and I'm glad I'm not the only one.

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                    • Interesting thought OP. But terribly convenient. There's nothing really and explicitly stating that is how and what happened. And are you telling me that God couldn't see that humans have a different perception of time than he does which is why he explained it to whoever like that? He could've clarified and there's really no logical reason why he shouldn't or couldn't.

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                      • Maybe the time frame reference and entire creation story for that matter was just simplified into an easy to understand story to describe a very complex event to a large varied group of people with limited understanding of how the universe works.

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                        • Obvious trolls? You mean people smarter than you?

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                          • Hey believe and interpret any way you want so long as it stays out of science classes.

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                          • Humans understood how the basics of space worked back then somehow, even though they didn't have the tools capable of retrieving such knowledge when the bible was written.

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                          • Interesting thought. It would make sense since the Earth is (I'm not sure of the exact so please correct me) around 5 billion years old. A day to God could be a million or even a billion years. When God told whoever was writing the Bible at the time what to put, a day to God was an immense difference compared to what the writer thought.

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                            • I wasn't there. So I don't know.

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                              • Ok

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                              • It says 6 days

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                                • The literal Hebrew translation of Genesis uses the term day to signify "Age" so it took "Ages" to actually create the Heavens and the Earth. But of course people who will bend of backwards to disprove The Bible wouldn't want you to know that.

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                                • That's exactly what I think. I believe a single day represents several billion years.

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                                  • 168 Hours: The Movie.

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                                  • The infallible word of god would have translated exactly as god intended. He meant a day.

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