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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ghostvirus Bungie has gone on the record and said Halo and Marathon are not in the same universe. So this is wrong. Either theres absolutely no connection or billions of years occured between the two series.[/quote] They can be in Parallel Universes so they arnt in the same universe. And the Jjaro can be the same species as the forerunners.

Bungie has gone on the record and said Halo and Marathon are not in the same universe. So this is wrong. Either theres absolutely no connection or billions of years occured between the two series. [Edited on 12.13.2007 3:31 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ManThunder117 sory to bust your bubble but the flood were around before the forerunners, and they come from another galaxy, and there is no way humans created the flood, the only connection that oni has to halo/marathon is bungie[/quote] But it is possable ONI takes place some where in either the Marathon or Halo Universe. There is an organization in Halo called ONI. Im still going to stick to my theory that Marathon and Halo share the same Multiverse so they are in Parallel Universes. And another theory that i have heard is that the Jjaro from Marathon are the forerunners in Halo (since they are already similar and the Jjaro have technology that can send someone to other Universes like in Marathon Infinity). That way you can have a Marathon-Halo connection without putting MC in the Marathon Universe. Also saying they are in Parallel universes can fix the flaws which will appear if they are in the same universe.

sory to bust your bubble but the flood were around before the forerunners, and they come from another galaxy, and there is no way humans created the flood, the only connection that oni has to halo/marathon is bungie

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Captain Sinclair Good? Yes. But. PARAGRAPHS MAN. [/quote] I thought the same thing - Then almost choked on my coffee when I read this. Thanks!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mushroom You do all know that the Forerunners are the ones that created the Flood. That is why they created the Halos. But to the OP, nice investigation. It does actually make sense.[/quote] No... they discovered the flood, and humans didn't create them either, the aren't from the milky way galaxy, it says so in the terminals, the are from a different galaxy [Edited on 12.13.2007 8:50 AM PST]

Now if I stay out in the sun too long, can I get the flood? And if so, then can I get it cut off or what? Also, will it hurt my ability to pee?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Noah UF [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DakZhul Maybe Bungie just can't come up with a different storyline?...Aka...repetative writers?[/quote]Sounds plausible to me.[/quote] Would make sense to me as well. Marathon was a large success for Bungie, but so few Halo fans knew/know about it, simply because it is before their time. If Bungie can (and has) enthralled many new fans by rehashing an old storyline, more power to them. edit: and to RN54, that actually makes alot of sense. I'm surprised I didn't catch onto that while playing/reading up. Thanks for the PoV change! [Edited on 12.13.2007 8:47 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] haloplayer2kill YOU JUST SAID THAT HUMANS ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF THE FORERUNNRES. That is what i have been saying. They are there descendants but not the exact species.[/quote] Adopted children perhaps? A Forerunner stranded on Earth after building the last portal to Installation 00 states that he will live out his life in the mountain nearby. (Kilimanjaro). This occurs some 100,000 years before the rise of humankind... which our current theories place happening on the eastern coast of what continent? Yeah. I am proposing that we are adopted children. That proto-humans were one of the many species found on a certain "garden world" that one (of two) Forerunner felt obligated to catalog (for an Index?) and protect. He/it then settled down there to die (which might take some time) and tend to his gardening. And then the bestiary lists humans separately from reclaimers. Anyone find that odd? Anyone? But who was called a reclaimer by the Monitors? The MC, Cmdr Keyes, and (implied) Johnson. What makes them "different"? Indeed, what makes it so that the MC "remembers" how Forerunner objects work? Anyone? I propose that Reclaimers (and Forerunner) are/were linked because they are cyborgs. Biologic beings implanted with AI's or at least AI interfaces. Sure, in the case of Keyes and Johnson it is a rudimentary neural lace, but it is still there. If we look at the text of the terminals, look at how the battle played out. The combatants were initially able to resist due to AI reinforcement of their biologic systems, similarly the betrayal by an AI undermined them completely. Then what makes humans capable of being Reclaimers and "children of the Forerunner"? Not their biologic makeup. Hell, we all know that as far as DNA is concerned, it is clear that we're part of this planet's ecosystem going back billions of years. That isn't what made the Forerunner the Forerunner. It is (IMO) the melding of biologic and tech that made them Forerunner and what allows some of humanity to be "inheritors". Just my theory based on rememberences and presumptions and not poring over the facts again and again. Shoot it full of holes if you'd like.

Theory = Bungies games as recurrent dreams. I concurr. There are many similarities between the games. However it's been stated that there is no direct relationship in the story. Some of the members in this thread have suggested the possibility of parallel universes. I, however, propose the following alternative. All this games are a work of fiction. They are fantasies, and fantasies work altogether as dreams. Therefore, I believe that the similarities are due to the fact that they are some kind of repetitive dream, with tiny variations but the same underlying theme, the fight against our own, scary, internal instincts. Think about it. Do you dream? Even if ocassionaly, there are dreams that come and go, but one repeats itself in theme, but that is not manifest because details differ. Sometimes the protagonist es changed, or the setting, or the era, but the scene, the archetypes, the script is very similar. Somehow, in the halo series, the scene is one of conflict between at least four forces, wich I believe are som sort of representation of the human psichic apparatus descraibed from Freud's second topic. There is a voracious forces that tries to devour the entire universe and manages to survive all circumstances and scapes any attempt to be contained. This resembles the "Id", the instinctual force. Flood=Id=Imperfect, voracious instincts. There was a regulating, cold, logical force that was meant to prevent this "id" from scaping, but eventually failed and inherited that task to the next generation, resembling the "Superego". Forerunners=Superego= Culturally inherited moral impersonal principles And finally we have the two major forces trying to cope with the reality of the existance of the Flood and the halo weapons, the covenant, and the UNSC, a fragmented Ego force that at the beggining is in conflict about what to do, because one side wants to accomplish the task of activating the halo without regard of its own survival, like a mass suicide, and the UNSC trying to survive. Covenant & UNSC = Ego = Active survival function, that motivates action and regulates the other two forces, making compromises with both of them. Covenant alone = Perverse or "as if" self. UNSC = Adaptative Ego functions, defense mechanisms (simbolized by the MC Mjolnir armor) In the end (Halo 3) thru integration of the EGO (Arbiter+Master Chief) they can finally perform a regulated response that manages to contain the outsurge of the Id without annhilation of the entire galaxy (activating one halo instead of the seven). Thus a neurotic problem is solved in the theoretical sense. There are many other interpretations. The story is full of symbols and allegories ranging from mythological to religious. But I believe that is the reason the other games are somehow connected, like dreams, and not a coherent story. After all, dreams frequently don't make logical sense.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Codexx I'd like to suggest that each one is Humans in a previous time. Humans in Halo being the current ones. Humans in Marathon being the Forerunners pre-rings. And if Oni is par tof this universe, then maybe that version is the story of the Precursors, who created the Mantle, which the Forerunner found and took up, and which the Humans of Halo are destined to take up one day as well.[/quote] Good theory.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] haloplayer2kill [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IWANNAPLAYHALO3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PhoenixGuard [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IWANNAPLAYHALO3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PhoenixGuard The humans were either created or supported by the forerunners so that they could destroy the flood in the future. Genetically, it's two different species, but with several similar genes. Therefore, humans are cildren of Gravemind's enemy of sorts. As for the flood, they are extra-galactic, meaning they are not originally from this galaxy. The flood were likely created by an advanced race from a different galaxy, but this is very unclear. Basically: Flood enters forerunner-dominated milkyway-galaxy. Forerunners combat flood and eventually manage to cull them. Forerunners create the halos and the Ark to contain and study the flood, as well as a last minute resort in case of an outbreak. Flood gets out of hand, forerunners begin indexing as many races in the galaxy as possible and store them on the Ark. Forerunners, or the Librarian (forerunner scientist), creates/augments the young human race in order to have them capable of activating the halo rings. Flood overcomes the forerunners. Approx. 10000 years later, humans encounter the covenant. So, no, the flood was not created by the forerunners and no, the forerunners were not human. [/quote] "Both the games and the novels contain content that has led to speculation that humans are Forerunner. Both, however, as well as the Iris ARG, also contain content that could be interpreted as disproving this." HALOPEDIA.... [/quote] Correct, it has not been directly stated whether or not the forerunners and humans are the same but from all the background information i've read i think it's pretty obvious that they're not.[/quote] All of that info was before Contact Harvest... I bet in a month or so they update Halopedia to state that now it is believed that humans are the direct descedants of the forerunners......[/quote] YOU JUST SAID THAT HUMANS ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF THE FORERUNNRES. That is what i have been saying. They are there descendants but not the exact species.[/quote] True. I have not read Contact Harvest yet, so correct me if my previous post is wrong.

I'd like to suggest that each one is Humans in a previous time. Humans in Halo being the current ones. Humans in Marathon being the Forerunners pre-rings. And if Oni is par tof this universe, then maybe that version is the story of the Precursors, who created the Mantle, which the Forerunner found and took up, and which the Humans of Halo are destined to take up one day as well.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IWANNAPLAYHALO3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PhoenixGuard [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IWANNAPLAYHALO3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PhoenixGuard The humans were either created or supported by the forerunners so that they could destroy the flood in the future. Genetically, it's two different species, but with several similar genes. Therefore, humans are cildren of Gravemind's enemy of sorts. As for the flood, they are extra-galactic, meaning they are not originally from this galaxy. The flood were likely created by an advanced race from a different galaxy, but this is very unclear. Basically: Flood enters forerunner-dominated milkyway-galaxy. Forerunners combat flood and eventually manage to cull them. Forerunners create the halos and the Ark to contain and study the flood, as well as a last minute resort in case of an outbreak. Flood gets out of hand, forerunners begin indexing as many races in the galaxy as possible and store them on the Ark. Forerunners, or the Librarian (forerunner scientist), creates/augments the young human race in order to have them capable of activating the halo rings. Flood overcomes the forerunners. Approx. 10000 years later, humans encounter the covenant. So, no, the flood was not created by the forerunners and no, the forerunners were not human. [/quote] "Both the games and the novels contain content that has led to speculation that humans are Forerunner. Both, however, as well as the Iris ARG, also contain content that could be interpreted as disproving this." HALOPEDIA.... [/quote] Correct, it has not been directly stated whether or not the forerunners and humans are the same but from all the background information i've read i think it's pretty obvious that they're not.[/quote] All of that info was before Contact Harvest... I bet in a month or so they update Halopedia to state that now it is believed that humans are the direct descedants of the forerunners......[/quote] YOU JUST SAID THAT HUMANS ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF THE FORERUNNRES. That is what i have been saying. They are there descendants but not the exact species.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PhoenixGuard [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IWANNAPLAYHALO3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PhoenixGuard The humans were either created or supported by the forerunners so that they could destroy the flood in the future. Genetically, it's two different species, but with several similar genes. Therefore, humans are cildren of Gravemind's enemy of sorts. As for the flood, they are extra-galactic, meaning they are not originally from this galaxy. The flood were likely created by an advanced race from a different galaxy, but this is very unclear. Basically: Flood enters forerunner-dominated milkyway-galaxy. Forerunners combat flood and eventually manage to cull them. Forerunners create the halos and the Ark to contain and study the flood, as well as a last minute resort in case of an outbreak. Flood gets out of hand, forerunners begin indexing as many races in the galaxy as possible and store them on the Ark. Forerunners, or the Librarian (forerunner scientist), creates/augments the young human race in order to have them capable of activating the halo rings. Flood overcomes the forerunners. Approx. 10000 years later, humans encounter the covenant. So, no, the flood was not created by the forerunners and no, the forerunners were not human. [/quote] "Both the games and the novels contain content that has led to speculation that humans are Forerunner. Both, however, as well as the Iris ARG, also contain content that could be interpreted as disproving this." HALOPEDIA.... [/quote] Correct, it has not been directly stated whether or not the forerunners and humans are the same but from all the background information i've read i think it's pretty obvious that they're not.[/quote] All of that info was before Contact Harvest... I bet in a month or so they update Halopedia to state that now it is believed that humans are the direct descedants of the forerunners......

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IWANNAPLAYHALO3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PhoenixGuard The humans were either created or supported by the forerunners so that they could destroy the flood in the future. Genetically, it's two different species, but with several similar genes. Therefore, humans are cildren of Gravemind's enemy of sorts. As for the flood, they are extra-galactic, meaning they are not originally from this galaxy. The flood were likely created by an advanced race from a different galaxy, but this is very unclear. Basically: Flood enters forerunner-dominated milkyway-galaxy. Forerunners combat flood and eventually manage to cull them. Forerunners create the halos and the Ark to contain and study the flood, as well as a last minute resort in case of an outbreak. Flood gets out of hand, forerunners begin indexing as many races in the galaxy as possible and store them on the Ark. Forerunners, or the Librarian (forerunner scientist), creates/augments the young human race in order to have them capable of activating the halo rings. Flood overcomes the forerunners. Approx. 10000 years later, humans encounter the covenant. So, no, the flood was not created by the forerunners and no, the forerunners were not human. [/quote] "Both the games and the novels contain content that has led to speculation that humans are Forerunner. Both, however, as well as the Iris ARG, also contain content that could be interpreted as disproving this." HALOPEDIA.... [/quote] Correct, it has not been directly stated whether or not the forerunners and humans are the same but from all the background information i've read i think it's pretty obvious that they're not.

currently reading...havn't had much of a chance because of school though.....=\

Have any of you even Read Contact Harvest it cant be anymore clear if they drew it out with crayons forerunners=human

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PhoenixGuard The humans were either created or supported by the forerunners so that they could destroy the flood in the future. Genetically, it's two different species, but with several similar genes. Therefore, humans are cildren of Gravemind's enemy of sorts. As for the flood, they are extra-galactic, meaning they are not originally from this galaxy. The flood were likely created by an advanced race from a different galaxy, but this is very unclear. Basically: Flood enters forerunner-dominated milkyway-galaxy. Forerunners combat flood and eventually manage to cull them. Forerunners create the halos and the Ark to contain and study the flood, as well as a last minute resort in case of an outbreak. Flood gets out of hand, forerunners begin indexing as many races in the galaxy as possible and store them on the Ark. Forerunners, or the Librarian (forerunner scientist), creates/augments the young human race in order to have them capable of activating the halo rings. Flood overcomes the forerunners. Approx. 10000 years later, humans encounter the covenant. So, no, the flood was not created by the forerunners and no, the forerunners were not human. [/quote] "Both the games and the novels contain content that has led to speculation that humans are Forerunner. Both, however, as well as the Iris ARG, also contain content that could be interpreted as disproving this." HALOPEDIA....

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PhoenixGuard The humans were either created or supported by the forerunners so that they could destroy the flood in the future. Genetically, it's two different species, but with several similar genes. Therefore, humans are cildren of Gravemind's enemy of sorts. As for the flood, they are extra-galactic, meaning they are not originally from this galaxy. The flood were likely created by an advanced race from a different galaxy, but this is very unclear. Basically: Flood enters forerunner-dominated milkyway-galaxy. Forerunners combat flood and eventually manage to cull them. Forerunners create the halos and the Ark to contain and study the flood, as well as a last minute resort in case of an outbreak. Flood gets out of hand, forerunners begin indexing as many races in the galaxy as possible and store them on the Ark. Forerunners, or the Librarian (forerunner scientist), creates/augments the young human race in order to have them capable of activating the halo rings. Flood overcomes the forerunners. Approx. 10000 years later, humans encounter the covenant. So, no, the flood was not created by the forerunners and no, the forerunners were not human. [/quote] That is what i believe.

The humans were either created or supported by the forerunners so that they could destroy the flood in the future. Genetically, it's two different species, but with several similar genes. Therefore, humans are children of Gravemind's enemy of sorts. As for the flood, they are extra-galactic, meaning they are not originally from this galaxy. The flood were likely created by an advanced race from a different galaxy, but this is very unclear. Basically: Flood enters forerunner-dominated milkyway-galaxy. Forerunners combat flood and eventually manage to cull them. Forerunners create the halos and the Ark to contain and study the flood, as well as a last minute resort in case of an outbreak. Flood gets out of hand, forerunners begin indexing as many races in the galaxy as possible and store them on the Ark. Forerunners, or the Librarian (forerunner scientist), creates/augments the young human race in order to have them capable of activating the halo rings. Flood overcomes the forerunners, forerunners activate the halos. Approx. 10000 years later, humans encounter the covenant. So, no, the flood was not created by the forerunners and no, the forerunners were not human. [Edited on 12.13.2007 12:13 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IWANNAPLAYHALO3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] haloplayer2kill [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IWANNAPLAYHALO3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IWANNAPLAYHALO3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mushroom You do all know that the Forerunners are the ones that created the Flood. That is why they created the Halos. But to the OP, nice investigation. It does actually make sense.[/quote] And I hope you sir realize that the forerunners were human!!![/quote] I hope you realize that's completely wrong.[/quote] Read Contact Harvest and see for yourself the forerunners were human.....[/quote] Wrong the humans were the DESCENDENT'S of the forerunners. You see some forerunners mated with some humans and caused some humans to have the forerunner gene (that is why MC can operate there tech). The forerunners are similar to the humans though. In Halo 3 the gravemind calls MC CHILD OF MY ENEMY. That means that the humans are the forerunner descendent's but not the same species as the forerunners.[/quote] Sorry but the dreadknot on high charity stated that the symbol wasnt reclamtion it was reclaimer the symbol of his creators..... Human[/quote] Listen there is evidence for Both sides. So lets just stop this argument. I believe my theory and you believe your theory.

i think its a good theory that could possibly be true

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] haloplayer2kill [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IWANNAPLAYHALO3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IWANNAPLAYHALO3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mushroom You do all know that the Forerunners are the ones that created the Flood. That is why they created the Halos. But to the OP, nice investigation. It does actually make sense.[/quote] And I hope you sir realize that the forerunners were human!!![/quote] I hope you realize that's completely wrong.[/quote] Read Contact Harvest and see for yourself the forerunners were human.....[/quote] Wrong the humans were the DESCENDENT'S of the forerunners. You see some forerunners mated with some humans and caused some humans to have the forerunner gene (that is why MC can operate there tech). The forerunners are similar to the humans though. In Halo 3 the gravemind calls MC CHILD OF MY ENEMY. That means that the humans are the forerunner descendent's but not the same species as the forerunners.[/quote] Sorry but the dreadknot on high charity stated that the symbol wasnt reclamtion it was reclaimer the symbol of his creators..... Human

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] STingy child Actually there is some technology in the Marathon Universe that has the Ability to send someone to other universes. Its Jjaro technology. The Jjaro disappeared from the Milky Way galaxy (in the Marathon Universe) millions of years ago. What if they used there technology that can send things to other universes them selfs? The Jjaro are already quite similar to the forerunners in Halo so what if they are the forerunners. You can then have a connection with Marathon and Halo and keep them in seperate universes. They could have traveled to the Halo Universe. The Jjaro can already move planets around.[/quote] Do you know exactly what this technology is? Or that its just really good technology? No specifics doesn't tell me -blam!-[/quote] Play Marathon Infinity and the rest of the Marathon games and you will find that the Jjaro are very advanced (i haven't played the Marathon Infinity but ive done my research). This technology allowed the SO (the security officer) to travel to Parallel Universes. Do your research dude.