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ha no a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl. stop tryn ta fool people and yourself and accept who you are.

Obviously a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl. A=A. But a boy is not necessarily a male and a girl is not necessarily a female. And a male is not necessarily a boy and a female is not necessarily a girl. Gender and sex are different things. Trans* people would be a lot more at-peace with their own identities if assholes like you stopped denying them the right to identify with whatever gender identity they want.

well they dont have to pretend to be something they arent around me i accept them for what they are born as and im not going to join in on the lie that people like you blindly accept. for the sake of arguement: if a dog felt like a cat or vice versa, would it be a cat. it clearly isnt and everyone including the dog/cat knows it but is humanity really going to be this stubborn and blind themselves on purpose?

The OP never said that trans people weren't real or that the boy will identify as male. People are reacting negatively because, like it or not, not everyone's [i]culture[/i] defines "male" as an identity; many see it as a description of physical organs (even though I myself don't). Your culture isn't any better than theirs, and you aren't morally superior for deciding to think one way. Yeah, how does [i]real[/i] open-mindedness feel? [spoiler]It feels like apathy.[/spoiler]

The OP included pictures of tweets that criticized the presumptuous assignment of a gender ("it's a boy") to a MAAB baby and called it "stupidity." That is definitely cissexist, and it definitely constitutes trans* erasure.

WTF is an MAAB Baby??

Ok you got me, my intention is to wipe out all people who don't think boys are boys and girls are girls. -.- It is better to raise a male infant as a 'boy' and have them decide they don't want to be later than to raise them as a gender neutral or opposite gendered kid which in all likelihood will end in tears.

Did you know that children were raised in a gender neutral way until about the Industrial Revolution? Ever heard someone say "put your big boy pants on"? That expression exists because all children used to wear dresses until they were around 7 or 8. Then, boys would start wearing pants and goes would keep wearing dresses. So when you say that it's better to raise a boy "as a boy", you're talking about recent and arbitrary standards. Not something that is set in stone.

If you actually knew anything about the subject you were bringing up, you'd understand exactly why those people are saying this. These are people who have gone through the pain and suffering of discovering their trans* issues on their own, probably under much scrutiny and offense from relatives and friends, often fairly late in life. Yes, these people are going slightly overboard, but it's only because they don't wish anyone to grow up with the experiences they've had and, considering this is a royal child, the media scrutiny will be immense throughout its life. These people have passionate empathy, and you bring them here, of all places, to make fun of them? Shame on you. All you've achieved is stirring up yet more transphobia, making it harder for people like me to be taken seriously or even live relatively normally by whipping up a shitstorm directed right at us. You really think I enjoy having to justify my life to these uneducated pricks around here? You really think transpeople [i]need[/i] more hate and misrepresentation than we already get? Bravo. *Applause*. I hope you're proud of yourself. "Mr Psychologist" my ass. [quote]This is more for New Radical and Wyld - There is a very strong chance I will someday have patients with Trans* issues so rather than flaming me why don't you talk civilly with me about it so I can do more to help people in the future?[/quote]I hope you don't. Especially considering how you reacted to those tweets. Here's some free "civil" advice: You should not have made this thread. At all. You should not be calling the people in those tweets stupid. At all. You should not bring up trans* issues here. At all. The only ones you should be calling stupid, as a "psychologist", are those who trivialise LGBTQ issues and believe that it's some kind of disorder or doesn't exist. I.e: those who do not understand the field, nor want to. [quote]If however you'd rather not, and prefer your current way of doing stuff then carry on but don't expect to make people sympathetic to your cause.[/quote]Do [i]not[/i] pull that fu­cking bullshit with me. [i]You[/i] made the thread knowing full well the kind of people that reside here. Not only that, but you made a thread depicting transpeople in a negative light, and then you expect those of us with experience in the area to [i]sit back and talk calmly[/i]? This happens every time trans* issues are bought up here, how did you [i]not[/i] expect it to turn out like this? And, in case you haven't noticed, [b]talking rationally with these people doesn't work. They cannot be reasoned with because they're too thick and/or stubborn.[/b] Yeah, I said it. So do [i]not[/i] dump this fu­cking pile of shit on this forum, and then expect those of us with some knowledge of the subject to bat off all those who you [i]know[/i] will eat this straight up and use it against us. In fact, [i]how dare you[/i] make something like this, with transpeople the most obvious target, and then tell us that the only way to win sympathy is to defend ourselves against people who you [i]know[/i] are transphobic after you just whipped them up yourself. Don't even [i]think[/i] about trying to take the moral high ground after what you've done and said. It's complete bullshit.

Two things. First, I'm going to be speaking to new radical about it to learn more - if he agrees to. Clearly what I was taught in my textbook was outdated and incorrect. Secondly, You assume far too much. Like an absurd level of it, since apparently you know my intentions better than I do. I did not bring this picture to the flood for the intention of using it as ammunition against trans- I did not make the picture, I found it. and once again you assume that I brought this to undermine trans- causes. When I brought it to light more over the people bemoaning the fact it was a boy not a girl claiming some sort of 'sausage fest' when we have had a female monarch for 60+ years. But you know what? Feel free to carry on raging pointlessly at me, because I really don't give a crap about what you say anymore. You are far too emotionally charged to have a discussion with, which no doubt you will seize upon as some hidden attack upon trans- people. Once again, First, I'm going to be speaking to new radical about it to learn more - if he agrees to. Clearly what I was taught in my textbook was outdated and incorrect. But you'll probably twist my meaning again to play the victim.

[quote]You assume far too much. Like an absurd level of it, since apparently you know my intentions better than I do. I did not bring this picture to the flood for the intention of using it as ammunition against trans- I did not make the picture, I found it. and once again you assume that I brought this to undermine trans- causes. [/quote]I never said you did. I said you should've known better than to bring it up here of all places, resulting in a more negative perspective of transpeople. Reading comprehension is good. [quote]When I brought it to light more over the people bemoaning the fact it was a boy not a girl claiming some sort of 'sausage fest' when we have had a female monarch for 60+ years.[/quote]There were only 4 tweets there that could be construed that way, the rest were about sex/gender identity which, although fairly zealous, were not wrong or "stupid", as you said. [quote]But you know what? Feel free to carry on raging pointlessly at me, because I really don't give a crap about what you say anymore.You are far too emotionally charged to have a discussion with, which no doubt you will seize upon as some hidden attack upon trans- people.[/quote]Ignore me all you want, my points still stand. You're an utter moron for, again, even trying to take the moral high ground. Oh, but because I'm not kissing cispeople's asses to "earn sympathy", [i]I'm[/i] the the one who is irrational and too emotional. Dude, [i]you[/i] brought this here. [i]You[/i] stirred up the shitstorm against gender non-conformists of all kinds (again, even calling them stupid yourself), with the only ones being latched onto by this forum of neanderthals being trans* people. You should've known by now that this topic ends in nothing but flaming and never stays a civil discussion, yet you [i]still[/i] went ahead with it. Regardless of your intentions, you should've known better than to post this or at least removed the OP once you could see where it was heading. The responsibility is all yours and yours alone, and I will [i]not[/i] change my stance on that. What do you want me to say? I'm sorry that I need to defend and justify myself against transphobes because [i]you[/i] provoked them? That I [i]shouldn't[/i] be getting worked up over a social issue that, because of people like those in this thread, end up in bullying, violence, suicides and deaths? I'm sorry that people are assholes but you're okay because you only riled them up? No, that's absolute bullshit and completely irresponsible. I have [i]every right[/i] to be getting upset and angry at you because [i]this is literally my life[/i], to which I can't just turn off the computer and walk away from, so do not try to discredit my points or my life as nothing more than "victimisation" while playing the innocent yourself after you and you alone started this mess. What, I must be crazy and irrational because I get upset that people like me are being made fun of by people who don't even understand talking shit and diminishing our lives and experiences 24/7? And that you contributing directly to that problem (purposefully or not) is fine by me? With that attitude, I seriously hope you never enter a psychological profession.

You still waste all this time raging away at me anyway. Good Job. I won't even bother with a proper response now because you don't listen and are so hellbent on making me out to be some evil person stirring up the flood to attack people for being different.

Boo-hoo. That's how people like the OP think, and shaming them won't change that. Don't believe me? Do you think you could be shamed into believing what they think? Do you think that would even be moderately successful? Get some actual tolerance you sexist hateful twit.

Actual tolerance? Have you seen the people in this thread? And how is what any of he said sexist or hateful in the slightest? I'm only seeing that from you and others ITT.

[quote]And how is what any of he said sexist[/quote] Your cissexism is gross and oppressive. (the implication being that those with a "cis" view of the world (including how they view non-cis) is gross) [quote]or hateful[/quote] -blam!- off. [quote] in the slightest? [/quote] [quote]Actual tolerance? Have you seen the people in this thread?[/quote] 10/10: excellent caricature of an activist who doesn't understand their cause.