Really, I'm surprised not too many people have asked what Forge options we get for all of the new maps. I've heard of Man Cannons and Laser Doors, but what else can we expect? I love to Forge, and would like to know what items and scenery we get for the Forge. Will we get those huge Carriers from the Campaign level "The Storm"? What about the Human Weapon Cases that have like five BR's and another weapon? Will we get more Gravlifts instead of the measily 4 you get on each map? How about damaged vehicles? Also, I heard Bungie mention that they are going to give all vehicles on MP different designs, so is it true? Will the Turret Cases in these new levels be like the cases on High Grounds, with a Lid and Body, or will they be like the standard Case that is closed together? I have many more questions, but these seem to be the most important as far as Forge questions for me goes. (And yes, this IS a good post, not one of those crybaby "it's too much, yet it's going to be free later on" posts.)

I agree with you in everyway if you don't stop complaining about maps then whats the point of playing halo 3 if all your going to do is complaining left and right

wy would you save gamer points for rock band when you can get the coolest maps ever made by bungie i havent even seen any of the maps ecsept for those pics and the already are going to be the greatest gooo!!!!! BUNGIE you guys rule and can i have the recon armor. P.S please please please can i have the recon armor

I'm going to go ahead and make a bold prediction: Come December 11th, many of the posters on here who are complaining about people complaining about the prices are going to purchase the Heroic Map Pack for $10 and, after playing through each map a few times and deciding they aren't as satisfied as they thought they would be with them, will come back on here and complain about how they were ripped off and expected more for their money. Oh, and before I forget, Stormy, I think your calculations were slightly off. With 121,734 Halo 3 players currently on, at $10 a pop you'd have a sum total of $1.2 million, not 1217.34 (whatever that meant). I think what you were trying to say was actually closer to what I just said, but it was just worded awkwardly. Either way, it's a lot of money - even when you take into consideration the costs of the hardware, software and manpower needed to produce the levels themselves. [Edited on 11.23.2007 8:22 AM PST]

Hi, Do you know what,, I started to play online because of Halo 2,,, best game I played online until the cheaters got in there, then I stop.. I went back to my PC.. Then Halo 3 came out, I thought yeah ok, I will give it ago again... And yes it was over priced, and yes as all 360 games it was way to short. But I enjoyed the game and I thought Bungie did a good job with the camp.... I wasnt to impressed with the new maps, and everything was the same, same weapons, only a few tweaks here and there, Then Bungie did its normal thing, "thank you all for being there for us", BLAR BLAR,,, Do you know what NO, $10 isnt much, in the UK thats £5... but think about it,, how many people do you see online when you play? at the moment im writeing this there are (halo 3 Players Online:121,734) so times $10 by that much. Is ($1217.34) thats alot of money, just to play on 3 new maps. Dont you think? also think about how much bungie made of the game same again, (Halo 3 Players Online:121,734) most people got the normal version of the game so its was about $60. 60 times 121.734 = $7304.04... now do people see why we are having a problem with this.. they made enough money out of us all just for the game, they thanked us for being there for them, Now all they want is more money... There was a time when I logged onto LIVE when everyone was playing Halo 3, and I think I have around 45 people on my list. Now, 2 people are playing it. The rest COD4, Bugnie WAKE UP... Stop ripping your fans off, all the fan boys will pay you but in the end they will wake up. because if you pay this amount what is stopping them from next time, saying ok you paid $10 we should make it $20, would you all pay that for 3 maps? because in the end its only going to go up.

yes all that is good but only one question............................. when are they coming out????? i was up all night last night and this morning trying to find that out Random Honor: R.I.P. Clifford Lee Burton...My Mythical Master :(

Awesome!! I can't wait to try these maps! :)

i wonder if this will be something i should get as an aussie gamer, since at times, it can be slim pickings on xbox live, with good connection searches(which you need)

December 11th? THATS MY BIRTHDAY!

Bungie, im sorry but this is kinda ridiculouse, like one person said above alot of people will be getting a 360 and halo 3 for christmas the last thing they want is to pay more money. Also the maps look great but abput 3:50 is kinda expensive. And also u guys should bring out leg and feet armor agmentations to thatd be sweet!!!

Seriously, $3.50 for each map. i think thats worth it, and if you don't, thats your opinion, so shut up and deal with it.

Sweet!, Standoff looks like thebest Map EVER If its as good as it looks I might not need a BG remake I want to wait untill the maps are free but its soo tempting, besides be an my bro will pay together so only $5 each

same problem here

The 3 maps look pretty cool! I'll have to wait and see if my friends will buy them as well. As for the price, it's a bit steep, but there are many other worse things out there you can spend $10 on. Such as the movies that are out in the theater and on DVD, most of them are horrid.

omg if u guys dont whont to pay $10 for some maps dont i dont no y u are all complaining its not like its the endof the world becouse u have to pay 10 bucks for 3maps

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Odahammer When its an update for armor, that doesn't affect matchmaking or actually playing the game , but is something visual, money isn't a problem. [/quote] A small point but you're saying that something having no impact on the game is ok to pay for? Just checking, since it's a somewhat backwards idea. [quote]But for actual maps that affect matchmaking , and will split the server in two, i have a major problem with this costing money. 1. your telling me it will take even longer to find people to play online with .. even if i do get the maps. [/quote] It will not split the server into two parts, at least not as much as you are suggesting. The system will look to see if you have these maps. If so, you [i]might[/i] get matched with people that do as well. Of course, you might also be matched with people who don't and use the included maps. It depends what games still need players and the skill level of players currently matched up. The only way to be sure you'll be playing on the new maps is to be in the playlist made specifically for them. If you want to get into a game faster, join the default playlists already out there. If there aren't many games in the process of being setup (looking for players) you'll probably end up in a game with the original maps. [quote]2. i'm only really getting 3 maps , i don't know if there any good or not .[/quote] That's always a problem, much like the Guitar Hero DLC was cover bands (granted that was a much greater insult to those who purchased it unknowingly). You can try asking people that do have the maps after they come out of the forum though and see what the general consensus is. Bungie has also said they will release more screenshots/info after Thanksgiving week, so expect that info next week. [quote]3. I still have been waiting for a patch to fix problems with the original game, maybe fix those before trying to get more money out of my pocket. [/quote] I'm sure the staff working on a patch are entirely different from those doing DLC. The former group likely being programmers while the latter are designers. Give them time, a patch takes a while to test and make sure it's not going to break the game even worse. [quote]4. Make me an offer i would accept. Maybe putting a few halo 2 maps into this download , or even just putting a patch out along with this will increase the chance of me downloading these maps. [/quote] I covered the patch in my above reply, but remember teams have deadlines to meet. Chances are these maps were being worked on shortly after Halo 3 was released to manufacturing. I'm also sure the team wants to try and find new ways to express their ideas than a simply rehash of an old map (which still takes the full amount of time to remake from the ground up). [quote]5. Your going to be giving them free to everyone in spring 2008 , so what your telling me is that i'm going to spend 10 dollars on maps i can get for free a few months later. [/quote] This isn't any different from brick-and-morter retailers. You fully expect things to go on sale/clearance after a few months, don't you? Software is no different, as things age and the "next best thing" is released, previously released content end up being cheaper, free, or (worse case scenario) dropped entirely. If it's not worth it to you, you can of course wait. Some people have said it's very early for DLC to be released already. In that case, consider the content free, but the $10 is the charge for being an early adopter. Halo 2's maps went through the same lifecycle. [quote]6. I newly married , my wife is pregnant , i have an apartment , and lots of other costs , 10 dollars is a night out for the wife and me. One great night with the wife , or a couple maps that will give me a couple hours of fun. [/quote] That's something you need to decide on your own. I would hope you choose the night out rather than spend money on a silly game. Family/personal needs should always come first. Oh, and congrats on the marriage. [quote]I'm angry because theres a need for a patch to the game and until thats fixed , i'm going to be looking at other things. [/quote] That's your choice. I'm sure a patch is in the works. Give them some more time to flesh out the details. [quote]And 800 MS points can buy you undertow which is a wicked game , heck Geometry wars is 800 points and thats a great game too. Or i can download the Knights of Nine for Oblivion that will add at least 10 hours of gameplay.. or for 2400 i can get Shivering Isle. You see where i'm going , dont you ?[/quote] This is where gain/cost comes into play. No one can tell you just what you will enjoy and if it will be worth the cost so you have to make your own decision. Did I buy the Gears maps right away? No, I was playing another game that had my interest at the time so I waited until they were free. I'd suggest you do the same if you're in the same position I was (that is, another game has your interest). I suspect a game like Geometry Wars took about the same time to design as these maps when you include time to tweak, balance, and add textures etc. In which case the cost might look a little more fair. [quote]I think the patch would be better. People that don't own a 360 or Halo 3 and are getting it for christmas would rather have a fully working game then more maps , since they haven't even played the original ones yet. [/quote] Well, that might depend on their playstyle and what the patch fixes (are they fond of cheap kills? who's to say). Just give Bungie the benefit of the doubt that a patch is in the works and is going through its testing phase to make sure it doesn't make gameplay worse. Remember, there are many people working at Bungie. Just because DLC came out first doesn't mean that's all they have been working on. DLC, unlike a patch, could also start being worked on right away. For a patch, you need to watch how the game plays out for a while before you decide just what needs to be fixed, what's unfair, etc.

Man, what a bargain. -_-

You know first i posted kinda a annoyed post , was rather upset at this news to be honest. After a while of thinking , i realize most people shouldn't be posting here and many have no clue why this discussion is even here. Bungie did a great job on Halo 3 , the maps i find to be rather well done, however i think more time should of been spent on the maps at hand. 10 dollars is a lot of money for this product. One person said how its 1/6 of the cost of the actual game. I kinda agree that 10 dollars is a few dollars to much. I'd love to see a patch at the same time , or at least another map with this. Having remakes of Halo 2 and 1 maps isn't what i want. How about you play Halo 2 if you want those maps , its virtually the same game. I am interested in these maps , because it adds content to a game i do enjoy. But i always have had a problem with updates such as this. When its an update for armor, that doesn't affect matchmaking or actually playing the game , but is something visual, money isn't a problem. But for actual maps that affect matchmaking , and will split the server in two, i have a major problem with this costing money. 1. your telling me it will take even longer to find people to play online with .. even if i do get the maps. 2. i'm only really getting 3 maps , i don't know if there any good or not . 3. I still have been waiting for a patch to fix problems with the original game, maybe fix those before trying to get more money out of my pocket. 4. Make me an offer i would accept. Maybe putting a few halo 2 maps into this download , or even just putting a patch out along with this will increase the chance of me downloading these maps. 5. Your going to be giving them free to everyone in spring 2008 , so what your telling me is that i'm going to spend 10 dollars on maps i can get for free a few months later. 6. I newly married , my wife is pregnant , i have an apartment , and lots of other costs , 10 dollars is a night out for the wife and me. One great night with the wife , or a couple maps that will give me a couple hours of fun. Sorry Microsoft and Bungie , i'm not going to be downloading these maps anytime soon. Infact i can sell my copy of Halo 3 for 45 bucks at Gamestop right now and get another game such as Bioshock or the Orange Box or Mass Effect for less then 10 bucks. My complaint is that these maps have nothing to do with me being angry. I'm angry because theres a need for a patch to the game and until thats fixed , i'm going to be looking at other things. And 800 MS points can buy you undertow which is a wicked game , heck Geometry wars is 800 points and thats a great game too. Or i can download the Knights of Nine for Oblivion that will add at least 10 hours of gameplay.. or for 2400 i can get Shivering Isle. You see where i'm going , dont you ? I think the patch would be better. People that don't own a 360 or Halo 3 and are getting it for christmas would rather have a fully working game then more maps , since they haven't even played the original ones yet.

Bungie is totally ripping us off, $10 for 3 maps, 1 of them that was supposed to be with the game, thats 1/6th of the games price, I mean come on, even if these are good maps, this should only be like $1, cus I dont think people will be jumping out of their seats for a map that should have come with the game, a map that just a square room with randomely placed boxes, and another map, although people probably will just to make them better.

Wow, you know I see a lot more people since Page 17 have an opinon and a lot of people dont read back on these forums. No one is complaining about 10$ espically me. Its the principal, of having to do this for a game to enhance your gaming experience for something new! Something Exciting as Xboxlive would say! . ITs principal you have to pay to play for new maps, when the paying should be for character upgrades themes videos pictures whatever. Not maps. You dont think Microsoft makes enough money off just those things then you throw in the maps like this. Its bologna. Not 10Dollars is too much to pay like a lot of people argue that were saying. Were sayign its the principal.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Yin o guns 117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] doctornas123456 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] doctornas123456 read the first and the second paragraph, why wouldnt they just stick wiht one name if they were the same map???? "Content Download The map tadpoles in the DLC pond continue to swim along, with some even growing into full-sized and feature-rich bullfrogs in the last couple of weeks. Only a little bit of growing left to do before the frogs find their way to the stream. One of those maps that isn’t ribbit-ing around just yet though, is [b]O.K. Corral[/b], an asymmetrical medium-sized map and O.K. Corral had its lighting tweaked considerably. The changes shifted the sun’s position shifted, giving the entire map a warm death-at-sunset feel. The sun’s rays stream through trees and into the blown out structure that often ends up at the very epicenter of combat (assuming you’ve procured some kind of close-quarters weapon). If you haven’t got anything short range, however, there’s a variety of multi-level open air catwalks, with glorious sight-lines down long semi-protected alleyways where you can rain death from above. [b]Jodrell Bank[/b], a map Frankie talked about in recent weeks, is fast becoming one of my favorite maps from our excellent smorgasbord of DLC maps. It's a Team Slayer main course and player counts would fit swimmingly into both Social Slayer and Team Slayer hoppers and I think it might even be possible to shoehorn a few more players into the mix without overcrowding things. [b]Purple Reign[/b] continues to see slick revisions. The earliest iteration of the map actually had a completely different overall shape. If I sketched the cross section of the map's floor onto a napkin it would've looked like a small hill, but when you played it, it wasn't readily apparent. In the last month, the concavity was changed so that if you were staring the same napkin with the new version of it it'd look more like a gently sloping bowl. The difference in the way the map played then versus now is pretty remarkable. Subtle changes to the floor's geometry resulted in wider lines of sight for players staring down one half of the map and an intricate and strategic mix of floor/column/ramp gameplay on the other side and all of the sneaky jumps those mechanics entail. One of the sooner-than-later maps is a treat we’re calling [b]Vandelay[/b]. Vandelay is structurally the simplest map we’ve ever made, yet the tools that we’re providing with the help of the Forge give the map tons of potential. That potential could be used for devising clever contraptions, unique playspaces and when paired with Player Traits could become a test bed for new ideas from both Bungie and the playerbase. Tom Doyle, one of the artists working on some of the fineries in Vandelay described the knicks and knacks on the map as Legos. Up until now, Forge has been primarily thought of as an object editor. It’s been a great tool for devising tweaks and changes to maps, the net result ranging from “Oh, you put more BRs on Snowbound,” to “Wow, you made a Jail that you rescue players from.” We hope that Vandelay will help folks use the Forge because of the variety and different types of tools players will have at their disposal. Doyle has been working tirelessly with Tyson Green on these objects and tools. Changing weapons and spawns inevitably affects balance and map flow, but the Legos that Doyle is talking about will let players create spaces for gameplay and give them the means of dictating where players will encounter their foes, in addition to what they will be holding when they get there. Again, like we were with the Forge in the first place, we’re pretty stoked to see what folks come up with when Vandelay releases into the wild. " [/quote] so here they talk about 4 different maps, one in the 1st paragraph, one in the 2nd paragraph, one in the 3rd paragraph, and one in the 4th paragraph[/quote] [b]O.K. Corral + Jodrell Bank = Standoff[/b] [u]O.K. Corral[/u] = They mentioned change in Sun's postion for this map + Standoff (same map) [u]Jodrell Bank[/u] = "...Frankie referred to Standoff as Jodrell Bank." (same map) [i]To make sure you don't say this one[/i] = "Standoff, or Bunkerworld as it’s known internally..." (same map) [b]Purple Reign = [i]Unknown Map[/i][/b] [b]Vandelay = Foundry[/b] In there report under Foundry's picture is this text: "Up until now, you've known Foundry as Art [u]Vandelay[/u]" (same map) [b]I think theres still a MAX of 4 maps:[/b] Rat's Nest Standoff [b]Known DLC Maps[/b] Foundry Purple Reign = Unknown Map probaly apart of next DLC map pack along with another Unknown Map.[/quote] i konw that foundry is vandelay, ive said that before. but o.k. carral is not standoff. if they are the same map, please tell me why they referrer to standoff 2 as 2 different names in the same update in 2 different paragraphs one after the other. thats all i want to know, please tell me, u still didnt tell me. just because it says sunset feel to it doesnt mean its standoff. so once again, please answer me that. other wise ur repeting ur self over and over and ur not making a point because i clearly proved u wrong, they wouldnt refer to it as 2 different names, atleast in the same update and 2 different paragraphs one after the other, just doesnt make sense.

its all a scam to get money bungie get our trust then our money theres no way im buying the mapack all of halo2s maps wer free and ya know why? beacuse everyone was so exited for halo3 and now there taking advantage of us loving halo [Edited on 11.22.2007 2:37 PM PST]

So? it's a little bit more than four walls and you can design it. it's great to have it but it's not technically a map we'll see in matchmaking. it's just a .map file that justifies the 10 bucks for the dl but truth is, it doesn'T justify anything. Don't take it as 10$ take it as "these maps were supposed to be included in Halo 3, which most people paid 69$+ depending of the versions but were later removed so that one month after, you'd start beeing hinted you'd actually need to pay for them". Especially since the articles talk about "other" dlc maps. igf they have so much ready or close to be ready, it means they were already really advanced when Halo 3 shipped. Maybe not ready, but not far from beeing and therefore it should count as their mistake that they couldn't complete it and should come free, especially since Halo 3 had so few MP maps to start with. Besides, if they do have "other" dlc maps not so ready but still really advanced, why not allow us to actually get them all together. 10$ is pretty much more reasonable if we're actually getting something like 5+ maps.... not just 2+ a fake.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OpsY 31337 Wow well that's great. 10$ for TWO maps that should have already shipped with the game... not Three. Foundry is just 4 walls with a roof made of already complete4d campaign stuff that you already buyed with the game and loaded with scenery. Not only should these maps have been free but should they have been shipped with the game. That's only common sense. You paid for the game only 2 months ago and now you have to "upgrade it". Simply a way to juice up more money bungie. And please now, don't go tell it's microsoft's fault. If you are independent, then it's your price. what about you get a better marketting team? 10 $ for two maps that could just end up beeing as BAD as the last Halo 2 ones, sorry but that 's not in my intention to buy and that, even if I paid for every single map pack before this one. 2 maps that apperently have been postponed from the original shipping so that you could charge them later... least would be to let them for free. Charging them, however, at such a High price, simply makes no sense. [/quote] God people are such drama Queens $10 wow so what thats small money. and Foundry might be more than 4 walls still it will probally be fairly big, 700 budget map most likely. [Edited on 11.22.2007 1:15 PM PST]

Wow well that's great. 10$ for TWO maps that should have already shipped with the game... not Three. Foundry is just 4 walls with a roof made of already complete4d campaign stuff that you already buyed with the game and loaded with scenery. Not only should these maps have been free but should they have been shipped with the game. That's only common sense. You paid for the game only 2 months ago and now you have to "upgrade it". Simply a way to juice up more money bungie. And please now, don't go tell it's microsoft's fault. If you are independent, then it's your price. what about you get a better marketting team? 10 $ for two maps that could just end up beeing as BAD as the last Halo 2 ones, sorry but that 's not in my intention to buy and that, even if I paid for every single map pack before this one. 2 maps that apperently have been postponed from the original shipping so that you could charge them later... least would be to let them for free. Charging them, however, at such a High price, simply makes no sense.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] doctornas123456 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] doctornas123456 read the first and the second paragraph, why wouldnt they just stick wiht one name if they were the same map???? "Content Download The map tadpoles in the DLC pond continue to swim along, with some even growing into full-sized and feature-rich bullfrogs in the last couple of weeks. Only a little bit of growing left to do before the frogs find their way to the stream. One of those maps that isn’t ribbit-ing around just yet though, is [b]O.K. Corral[/b], an asymmetrical medium-sized map and O.K. Corral had its lighting tweaked considerably. The changes shifted the sun’s position shifted, giving the entire map a warm death-at-sunset feel. The sun’s rays stream through trees and into the blown out structure that often ends up at the very epicenter of combat (assuming you’ve procured some kind of close-quarters weapon). If you haven’t got anything short range, however, there’s a variety of multi-level open air catwalks, with glorious sight-lines down long semi-protected alleyways where you can rain death from above. [b]Jodrell Bank[/b], a map Frankie talked about in recent weeks, is fast becoming one of my favorite maps from our excellent smorgasbord of DLC maps. It's a Team Slayer main course and player counts would fit swimmingly into both Social Slayer and Team Slayer hoppers and I think it might even be possible to shoehorn a few more players into the mix without overcrowding things. [b]Purple Reign[/b] continues to see slick revisions. The earliest iteration of the map actually had a completely different overall shape. If I sketched the cross section of the map's floor onto a napkin it would've looked like a small hill, but when you played it, it wasn't readily apparent. In the last month, the concavity was changed so that if you were staring the same napkin with the new version of it it'd look more like a gently sloping bowl. The difference in the way the map played then versus now is pretty remarkable. Subtle changes to the floor's geometry resulted in wider lines of sight for players staring down one half of the map and an intricate and strategic mix of floor/column/ramp gameplay on the other side and all of the sneaky jumps those mechanics entail. One of the sooner-than-later maps is a treat we’re calling [b]Vandelay[/b]. Vandelay is structurally the simplest map we’ve ever made, yet the tools that we’re providing with the help of the Forge give the map tons of potential. That potential could be used for devising clever contraptions, unique playspaces and when paired with Player Traits could become a test bed for new ideas from both Bungie and the playerbase. Tom Doyle, one of the artists working on some of the fineries in Vandelay described the knicks and knacks on the map as Legos. Up until now, Forge has been primarily thought of as an object editor. It’s been a great tool for devising tweaks and changes to maps, the net result ranging from “Oh, you put more BRs on Snowbound,” to “Wow, you made a Jail that you rescue players from.” We hope that Vandelay will help folks use the Forge because of the variety and different types of tools players will have at their disposal. Doyle has been working tirelessly with Tyson Green on these objects and tools. Changing weapons and spawns inevitably affects balance and map flow, but the Legos that Doyle is talking about will let players create spaces for gameplay and give them the means of dictating where players will encounter their foes, in addition to what they will be holding when they get there. Again, like we were with the Forge in the first place, we’re pretty stoked to see what folks come up with when Vandelay releases into the wild. " [/quote] so here they talk about 4 different maps, one in the 1st paragraph, one in the 2nd paragraph, one in the 3rd paragraph, and one in the 4th paragraph[/quote] [b]O.K. Corral + Jodrell Bank = Standoff[/b] [u]O.K. Corral[/u] = They mentioned change in Sun's postion for this map + Standoff (same map) [u]Jodrell Bank[/u] = "...Frankie referred to Standoff as Jodrell Bank." (same map) [i]To make sure you don't say this one[/i] = "Standoff, or Bunkerworld as it’s known internally..." (same map) [b]Purple Reign = [i]Unknown Map[/i][/b] [b]Vandelay = Foundry[/b] In there report under Foundry's picture is this text: "Up until now, you've known Foundry as Art [u]Vandelay[/u]" (same map) [b]I think theres still a MAX of 4 maps:[/b] Rat's Nest Standoff [b]Known DLC Maps[/b] Foundry Purple Reign = Unknown Map probaly apart of next DLC map pack along with another Unknown Map. [Edited on 11.22.2007 12:38 PM PST]