The following theory is based on information from halo 2, halo 3 terminals and storyline, the Iris ARG, the Ilovebees ARG and the novel Halo: Contact Harvest. If there are any holes, and I am sure there are many, please tell me.
If you arer unfamiliar with any of these and want information here are some links. Be pepared for walls of text.
[url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page]Halopedia[/url]
[url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=13233687&postRepeater1-p=1]DeeBeeP's Terminal Message Thread[/url]
[url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=13872268&postRepeater1-p=1]Traxus's original post[/url]
The aim of this thread is to explain to you guys who Mendicant Bias was / is and his involvement in the Covenant's religon and aims.
As you all know ,the races of the Covenant despise humanity. In particular the Prophets. The question is why do they seem bent on humanity's total destruction?
Why doesn't the Prophets intergrate us into their Empire as they did with other lifeforms such as the grunts, jackels and drones ?
After all, Their forerunner gods left artifacts on our homeworld.
Why do the prophets follow this religon without doubt ?
We could offer the covenant many technologies they have yet to master.
Could Mendicant Bias be the cause of this.
After the battle between Offensive Bias fleet and Mendicant Bias fleet, OB asks itself if it should transport MB back to the ark for study, maybe in peices. If OB did not we would assume MB would have been destroyed there and then by OB.
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[i]Mendicant was able to postpone its inevitable annihilation for [106:S] with its attempt to flee. But the last of its core vessels hangs before me now; crippled and defeated but still sensate. I could spare it; carve out what is left of its [personality construct array] and deliver it to [Installation Zero] for study.
I doubt it would have extended the same courtesy to me.[/i]
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If OB had decided to take MB to the Ark he would have to have used a Keyship or as the covenant say 'Dreadnought' to open one of the portals to the Ark. You may say that dreadnoughts were not at that batttle, that they aren't military vessals. here is a qoute from the 6th terminal showing otherwise.
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[i]I throw away all the rules of acceptable conduct during battle; near the ruptures I throw away all the accepted ideas of how the natural world is supposed to behave. I toss around [37,654 tonne] dreadnaughts like they were fighters; dimly aware of the former crews being crushed to liquescence.[/i]
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One of these Dreadnoughts obviously went astray and was found by the Prophets after the galaxy had been repopulated. What if the Dreadnought that was carrying part of MB went astray and was lost . Could it be the same dreadnought ? yes . alhough we have no evidance stating they are the same.
MB could have created the whole of the Covenant religon by giving information to the prophets. The prophets build their holy city ,high charity ,around the dreadnought that holds MB. Cortana says to us in Halo 2 on the level 'Gravemind' aboard High Charity that there is an' unusaully formidable covanent AI presense.
It could have been MB. Remember that in first strike cortana and her copies come into contact with multiple covenant AIs aboard a warship and later a repair station. none of these AIs show themselves to be formidable. Cortana strips the first apart. Cortana even says that parts of the covenant AI is so similer to human AIs that it can't be a coincidence.
Mendicant is defined by my dictionary as relient on charity or a member of a religous order (ie:covenant) and the city built around it is named
'High Charity'. Coincidince.
MB manipulates them into believing in a 'Great Journey' or maybe they misinterpret what MB says and start their holy war with the humans
. Maybe, MB leads them to uncover the flood and destroy the reclaimers who could take up the forerunner mantle and destroy the flood. MB or this part of it aims to usher in what it believes is the third step of evoulution. Compound Intelliegence.
MB or this part of MB may still believe that.
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[i]LF.Xx.3273.> {~} complexity {~} spread {~} our appearance ushered in the beginning of the third great stage of evolution. The first {~} condensation of particles was the result of the inevitable action of strong nuclear force and the creation of stars {~} inevitable action of gravity; so the self-replicating chemical processes that dictate all disparate {~} In time, we too shall affect change on a universal scale.
MB.05-032.> Your capacity for planning {~} creators too stubborn {~} the same goal through the preservation of genetic diversity {~} what you are {~} like a more direct path to the same outcome.[/i]
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The above shows MB and the Gravemind conversing. MB is persuaded that Compound intelligiences are the third step in evolution.
The following shows MB's personality construct array is on the Ark and partitioned. It also shows the portal was interfered with. Perhaps MB is responsible for John and Cortana's current position.
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[i]REPORT: SECURITY BREACH: 1/3
Heuristic pathology; [alpha site] experienced an impermanent containment failure event on [spurious-data/no_ref.[?]]. The suspect data barrier interchange anomaly was detected precisely [.489 seconds] after its appearance. The epicenter of the disturbance is the partition currently housing a [personality construct array] retrieved from Contender AI 05-032 <+> 0816
REPORT: SECURITY BREACH: 2/3
Although [adjacent] systems reacted to the disturbance within expected parameters, a more comprehensive investigation was undertaken. A physical search revealed that there was no [corporeal] tampering at the [alpha site].
Interchange manipulation comparisons showed that all subunits are still active, if at slightly lower rates. Total containment failure elapsed time was [3.13 seconds].
REPORT: SECURITY BREACH: 2/3
In the [42 minutes, 9 seconds] since the original anomaly was discovered two more anomalies were detected in related systems.
The portal management/life support control system within the boundary complex was momentarily disabled before the cause was [bottled] and disassembled. A diagnostic sweep of the central archives was initiated and subsequently halted. The origin of the request cannot be traced.[/i]
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The following is from terminal 4
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[i]I found the shard that was lost. They brought it back to me.
Now my reconstruction cannot be stopped.[/i]
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[i]And so here at the end of my life. I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable – keep you safe. I’m not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions.
But I would have my masters know that I have changed.
And you shall be my example.[/i]
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So at some point or another Mendicant Bias is in the Ark or at least park of him .'The shard', isn't.
We have seen in ILoveBees how AI's can process in shards and splinters.ie: Melissa.
We know that there is a partition on the ark holding some part of MB. Supported by the following server log from Iris.
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[i]You asked me once, what happened to those who vanished?
You asked me, why did we survive where our fathers fell?
You wished to know how we ever let it happen
A scourge that consumed the galaxy
And the cure that was worse than the cancer
You asked me once about my intent
And the spot that would not wash out
I promise you the answers lie in the Ark
Find me there in the dark
For that is where I abide[/i]
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[Edited on 11.18.2007 9:21 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] all condor [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Monkeyman4000 We now have two forerunner constructs both saying clearly that humans descendants of and are forerunners. 343 Guilty Spark in the control room of its new halo to John ,and Mendicant Bias in the dreadnought to the Prophets. " You are the child of my makers, inheritors of all they left behind. You are forerunner, but this ring is mine." '< MY MASTERS ARE MY MAKERS>" [/quote] What about the part in Halo CE where GS tells MC about " last time he activated the rings" ? Can't this also prove some sort of link between the Forurunners and the Humans.[/quote] Yes. Spark gives us a number of hints.eg: " All of our lost time, human history is it ? "
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Monkeyman4000 We now have two forerunner constructs both saying clearly that humans descendants of and are forerunners. 343 Guilty Spark in the control room of its new halo to John ,and Mendicant Bias in the dreadnought to the Prophets. " You are the child of my makers, inheritors of all they left behind. You are forerunner, but this ring is mine." '< MY MASTERS ARE MY MAKERS>" [/quote] What about the part in Halo CE where GS tells MC about " last time he activated the rings" ? Can't this also prove some sort of link between the Forurunners and the Humans.
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I haven't read Contact Harvest yet but if there isn't any prove of the Precursors, I wouldn't believe they even ever excisted. OT: Great job!!! It all fits together.
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I think humans and Forerunners may share a genetic link relating to the Precursors (mentioned in the Beastarium). Maybe the Precursors created a species whih then evolved into humans and Forerunners?
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That was quite a pointless post. If you have any critisisms or any original ideas then post them.
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The human race, in my eyes, [b]are[/b] the Forerunner or rather their direct descendants (343GS even confirms this: You ARE Forerunner. Inheritor of all they left behind..."). Mendicant Bias, I don't doubt, gave the Prophets the information they wanted to hear to justify creating the Covenant, but MB did not condone it, as he hated the things the Covenant were doing, misinterpreting the activation of the Halo system as a "divine transcendence" when all it promised was non-selective doom. On another note, Dreadnought is the Covenant name for that ship. It was armed at one time, but was stripped by the Prophets when the Elites joined to create the hegemony. The proper name for it is a Key Ship, obviously since it is a "key" for the portal to the Ark. Mendicant Bias was one of two Contender-class AI created by the Forerunner to help them fight the Flood at the Maginot Line, that arbitrary line dividing the galaxy in half as I understand it, but he (MB) betrayed the Forerunner and began to assist the Flood, destroying all but one Key Ship (the Didact may have done this, I am not quite sure) only speeding up the decision to push the Big Red Button that wiped the galaxy clean of all life, while Forerunner DNA was stored on the Ark and reseeded when possible after the Halos' pulses faded to nothing.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fear Figment [quote]MB is persuaded that Compound intelligiences are the third step in evolution.[/quote] Yes, yes... And the first is fire and the wheel, I presume? Sorry, the only thing I could contribute... o.0 [/quote] I think multiple celled orginism are the first step, then sentiance is the second, then compound intelliegence is the third. I am not sure though.
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[quote]MB is persuaded that Compound intelligiences are the third step in evolution.[/quote] Yes, yes... And the first is fire and the wheel, I presume? Sorry, the only thing I could contribute... o.0
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Asheroth1337 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] beener25 I totally agree. Very well written. This deserves a sticky. But I can't think of a reason for what Truth tried to do other than jealousy or pride.[/quote] Naw...theories don't get stickies, but deffinently a thread save. Nice job dude, check out the group called [url=http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/watchers/Group/GroupHome.aspx]The Watchers[/url], it's a group of theorists, gooder grammer, smart persons, and all around nice guys. With a theory like that, you're almost garunteed to be admitted into the ranks. [/quote] gooder grammer ?
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bravo, im glad i read that
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] beener25 I totally agree. Very well written. This deserves a sticky. But I can't think of a reason for what Truth tried to do other than jealousy or pride.[/quote] Naw...theories don't get stickies, but deffinently a thread save. Nice job dude, check out the group called [url=http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/watchers/Group/GroupHome.aspx]The Watchers[/url], it's a group of theorists, gooder grammer, smart persons, and all around nice guys. With a theory like that, you're almost garunteed to be admitted into the ranks.
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nice my freind. makes a lot of sence
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Very good, but you did make assumptions. I can't say that those assumptions are wrong in any way, but I keep asking myself: Are we supposed to know this stuff or is Bungie just writing stories that they don't even know the ending to?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadowhawk1013 well also, in Contact Harvest, the AI Loki learned the engineer's language in "half a cycle". I don't know how fast that actually is, but one scene Loki didn't know the language and the next it did. So that means that a human military AI of the time could quickly learn a language. What do you think a forerunner AI would be able to do with the same amount of time. I think that the sheer amount of power the AI's (monitors, or software) had was just enough to let them learn and speak in a language.[/quote] But the sentinel first spoke in Latin without being spoken to in Latin. Maybe they weren't based on it but they have it in their data base even with Latin being dead for 2 and a half millenia. So even if they are don't speak Latin as we know it they speak something close to it or Latin is based off of their language still giving that link to all the species that have encounted Forerunner technology.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShadowWolf346 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Monkeyman4000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TypeTheFALL Another thing. The constructs (the AI) SPEAK ENGLISH! [/quote] Which ones ?[/quote] Well besides it being for story telling purposes (I mean afterall it is just a work of fiction, look at Star Trek and their universal translator that magically made races from half way accross the galaxy who had never met the explorers be able to converse with humans) a possible clue was planted into Ghost of Onyx when the sentinel spoke Latin to one of the Spartan III's. It is entirely possible that the Forerunners language WAS Latin which works perfctly with the biblical tie in of the Librarian and his/her "garden." I mean afterall, the Bible was drafted in Latin and mentioned the Garden of Eden. Maybe through unseen hands pushing the humans along they developed into Latin and from there evolved it further. Then look at the Covenant reading the records from the Dreadnought. They could have discovered Forerunner artifacts and developed their languages loosely around Latin, enough to read most of the Forerunner data but just little enough to misinterperate it. Maybe the entire known universe (known just being humans and covies) has their language based on a root of Latin because of discovered artifacts or monoliths. Because all of these races have based their language off of the Forerunner base of Latin the Forerunner constructs are able to quickly translate the races current languages and be able to communicate with them in their own tongue. And again (probably just for story telling) this is why the races can communcate with each other so effiecently, perhaps because the Covenant was able to easily translate the humans language and communicate with them in it. Maybe I am completely off but this made a lot of sense to me. If some one could find the exact quote from Ghosts of Onyx it would be helpful, I loaned out my book to a friend who is notorious for not returning stuff so I may never see it again. [/quote] well also, in Contact Harvest, the AI Loki learned the engineer's language in "half a cycle". I don't know how fast that actually is, but one scene Loki didn't know the language and the next it did. So that means that a human military AI of the time could quickly learn a language. What do you think a forerunner AI would be able to do with the same amount of time. I think that the sheer amount of power the AI's (monitors, or software) had was just enough to let them learn and speak in a language.
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Wow excellent read. +1 OP
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Um, wow. Very elaborate. Nice points and gave me some excellent info.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShadowWolf346 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Monkeyman4000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TypeTheFALL Another thing. The constructs (the AI) SPEAK ENGLISH! [/quote] Which ones ?[/quote] Well besides it being for story telling purposes (I mean afterall it is just a work of fiction, look at Star Trek and their universal translator that magically made races from half way accross the galaxy who had never met the explorers be able to converse with humans) a possible clue was planted into Ghost of Onyx when the sentinel spoke Latin to one of the Spartan III's. It is entirely possible that the Forerunners language WAS Latin which works perfctly with the biblical tie in of the Librarian and his/her "garden." I mean afterall, the Bible was drafted in Latin and mentioned the Garden of Eden. Maybe through unseen hands pushing the humans along they developed into Latin and from there evolved it further. Then look at the Covenant reading the records from the Dreadnought. They could have discovered Forerunner artifacts and developed their languages loosely around Latin, enough to read most of the Forerunner data but just little enough to misinterperate it. Maybe the entire known universe (known just being humans and covies) has their language based on a root of Latin because of discovered artifacts or monoliths. Because all of these races have based their language off of the Forerunner base of Latin the Forerunner constructs are able to quickly translate the races current languages and be able to communicate with them in their own tongue. And again (probably just for story telling) this is why the races can communcate with each other so effiecently, perhaps because the Covenant was able to easily translate the humans language and communicate with them in it. Maybe I am completely off but this made a lot of sense to me. If some one could find the exact quote from Ghosts of Onyx it would be helpful, I loaned out my book to a friend who is notorious for not returning stuff so I may never see it again. [/quote] The Sentinel said: ""Fhejelet 'Pgnught Juber" and then "Fhejelet non sequitur, now?" and then it spoke english: "Security Protocols enabled, Ring offensive system activated, Shield in countdown mode. Exchange proper counterresponse, Reclaimer." then "Non Sequitur. Reclassification of targets as non Reclaimers. Aboriginal Subspecies. Collect for further analysi- else neutralize as possible infection vector." - Page 133, Ghosts of Onyx
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But this theory really runs along my thinking and it has a lot of good evidence to back it up. Ultimately I hope that a fourth game in the form of a prequel would make all of this come to light. Maybe there will be a book that makes some of this clearer, a new book would be nice. Perhaps we will find out soon. [Edited on 12.09.2007 10:01 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Monkeyman4000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TypeTheFALL Another thing. The constructs (the AI) SPEAK ENGLISH! [/quote] Which ones ?[/quote] Well besides it being for story telling purposes (I mean afterall it is just a work of fiction, look at Star Trek and their universal translator that magically made races from half way accross the galaxy who had never met the explorers be able to converse with humans) a possible clue was planted into Ghost of Onyx when the sentinel spoke Latin to one of the Spartan III's. It is entirely possible that the Forerunners language WAS Latin which works perfctly with the biblical tie in of the Librarian and his/her "garden." I mean afterall, the Bible was drafted in Latin and mentioned the Garden of Eden. Maybe through unseen hands pushing the humans along they developed into Latin and from there evolved it further. Then look at the Covenant reading the records from the Dreadnought. They could have discovered Forerunner artifacts and developed their languages loosely around Latin, enough to read most of the Forerunner data but just little enough to misinterperate it. Maybe the entire known universe (known just being humans and covies) has their language based on a root of Latin because of discovered artifacts or monoliths. Because all of these races have based their language off of the Forerunner base of Latin the Forerunner constructs are able to quickly translate the races current languages and be able to communicate with them in their own tongue. And again (probably just for story telling) this is why the races can communcate with each other so effiecently, perhaps because the Covenant was able to easily translate the humans language and communicate with them in it. Maybe I am completely off but this made a lot of sense to me. If some one could find the exact quote from Ghosts of Onyx it would be helpful, I loaned out my book to a friend who is notorious for not returning stuff so I may never see it again.
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To the Humans being Forerunner. I do believe there is a way that they are genetically connected, but the most obvious answer is that the Forerunner name was just a title. As protector of the galaxy. Ever since Halo 1, the Humans have been trying to save themselves, and the galaxy, from the onslaught of the Covenant and now of the Flood. Also, in either Halo: First Strike, or Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, I remember somebody talking about the Forerunners (most likely Dr. Halsey) and saying how it could have been a title they had, not a name. I can't remember the exact page, so sorry.
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[quote] I am banking on a larger scheme. [/quote] I think Bungie said somewhere that he thought lighting the rings would make him a god. I don't know where though. Sry =(
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TypeTheFALL Another thing. The constructs (the AI) SPEAK ENGLISH! [/quote] Which ones ?
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It makes perfect sense, and fits in with various theories I have heard and read about. Not just halo-related, actual theories, way out there, but theories not the less. The first theory being the "Seeds of Life" or "Advents of Conciousness" theory. (two names, but ther're basicly the same. Religion has been ascribed to both subconcious collective memory, and collective archetypes. Meaning they didn't just start when some person way long ago got high. This points to a civilization that had existed far before humans as we define ourselves. (from this point on this is my conjecture) Meaning we were either an experiment of, or a way to preserve a future for, the [I]Previous Advent of Conciousness[/I]. Therefore, with a knowlege far advanced from our own, these "Hypothetical Forerunners" would have seen their own end, and a way to preserve themselves. Therefore, they created [I]Seeds of Life[/I] which would guarentee a future species geneticly similar to the "Hypothetical forerunners", but leaving it to "the current generation" to discover, or learn on their own, what the "previous generation" knew. Another thing. The constructs (the AI) SPEAK ENGLISH!
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I have to admit that when you first posted this theory (in another thread) I thought you were way off. But I guess Contact Harvest proved me wrong! Nice work, man. On my first readthrough, I didn't find any significant holes. I'll read more closely when I have time and offer any criticism I have. [Edited on 11.27.2007 1:20 PM PST]
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This is cool... I dont have time to read now because im off to bed but for sure tomorrow ill read and give my input