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Why's it gotta be Elves? It's a well known fact in Neo-Tokyo that being an early-gen psychic mutant turns your skin blue and hair white.
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  • If you read the rest of the posts in this thread I think you'll get the idea. But the gist of it is; the way they showed the exo as being a male Titan compared to the female Hunter kind of hints at the recognition they're going for. Elves are also psychic to a degree... The idea is that of a fairer, frailer, more psychically/existentially aware race, i.e. the standard characterization of a Elf in fantasy. After all, this is mythic sci-fi. So, yes.

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  • 1. Ghost. 2. Vampire. 3. Angel. ITT: Elves, Elves everywhere. Why? Because WoW. So, yes.

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  • Can't tell what you're getting at. Never played WoW but I do believe they're going for a "Space Elf" identification with the Awoken.

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  • Edited by externalmemory: 4/6/2013 8:23:24 PM
    Oh, come on. it's not like WoW isn't running with the same fantasy gaming trope that's been going strong since D&D, which basically ripped off Tolkien, who more or less invented the tall, slender, femmy/fey elves. And obviously, you don't need to play it to know it's become a kind of prerequisite if for no other reason but repitition, reinforcement and perhaps lack of originality or imagination half a century later. I still don't see any pointy ears, though. I'll call them "space elves "when I do; meanwhile, I'm taking Bungie at face value when they say the race is referencing more than that.

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  • Well the only stuff I know about WoW is stories my friend has told me about a character him and his friend leveled up that sucked until the Death Knight expansion came out and they murdered face. So no I don't really know all about them ripping off the commonly accepted Elf archetype but I'll take your word for it because why wouldn't I? I was just noting that Bungie [i]seemed to be[/i] trying to get the Angel/Vampire/Elf theme across by juxtaposing a cloth armored female Hunter with a bloody-faced male Exo. They're obviously inspired by the supernatural and as this was originally intended as a fantasy game I was just picking up on that Elf/Wizard/Tank theme. That doesn't mean it's the limit of what they'll explore, this is Bungie. lol femmy in that link that T Money shared Joseph Staten calls them Space Elves the same way they refer to the Exos as robots.

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  • Edited by externalmemory: 4/7/2013 4:03:54 AM
    Ha, by that I just meant "lithe / pretty" vs. "tough / macho". "Fem" and "butch" might be taking it in a... [i]different[/i] direction (but isn't Edward Cullen just [i]dreamy[/i])? Yeah, I do see what you mean in terms of archetypes. I am aware of Staten's kind of (IMO) flippant ownership of the reference, I read it as a sort of "well, people are gonna call them space elves until we reveal more in the story to be their own thing, so we just roll with it for now. Press note: Mythic Sci Fi; Elves, Wizards and Guns." Just thinking/hoping that Bungie would put their own twist on it and make the Awoken quite a bit different from those archetypes that IMO are really beaten into the ground. I mean, let's call the Cabal space trolls or space giants, too. You can see where it would start to lose a coherent identity of its own. Though they're definitely trying to get away from the arbitrary rules one might assume from a futuristic setting, I feel like a simple mash-up just isn't Bungie (think Shadowrun's literal take or Phantasy stars Nu/Newmans which really are just elves with a genetic engineering backstory to kinda shoehorn them in). We're probably thinking along the same lines, just at issue with semantics. All a matter of opinion of course, anyway, I'm just strongly pushing my own take on the Awoken in particular because I have high expectations for the story, and I'd expect every race to be compelling enough to [i]me[/i] to want to roll a character for each. Like "STOP CALLING THEM SPACE ELVES DAMMIT BUNGIE THAT'S LAME. OR I'M TAKING MY TOYS GOING HOME". Ha, anyway, you get the idea.

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  • [quote]Or perhaps you were referring to the Awoken, and in that case we definitely think you’ll share some common ground with them.[/quote]I really hope there is an amazing explanation for why they have the exact physiology as that of a human's. I mean... How? Are you as blown away by this as I am?

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  • Haha yeah I just thought it was funny. I agree with you though, I'd really like to see them go somewhere new with archetypes, make it more than a mash-up, and I think they will after all it's Bungie we're talking about. And yeah, that seems pretty likely they would just stick to 'space elf' because everyone will instantly get the gist of what they're going for. I think the fact they look more like Drow definitely hints that they'll be making it their own, ironic I know (but already the majority of them must be 'good guys'). Plus they're excluding Race specific benefits/pitfalls so a 'space elf' can be whatever it wants gameplay-wise. I think we'll be pleasantly surprised in the end.

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