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Edited by Bunneh:
3/16/2013 11:22:42 AM
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Is a moral Athiest better than a moral Christian?
Think about it for a second.
My point is that an Athiest is doing good things because they genuinely believe doing good is what they should do. A Christian believes they should do good things because a deity told them it was the right thing to do.
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Depends. The argument could also be made that an atheist is only doing good for [insert selfish motive here] whereas a religious person is doing it out of kindness. There are several variables that could play a part here.
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So your saying that Christians don't do things from their heart and are not sincere. What you are saying is really stupid you know.
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What the hell am I reading?
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You copypasted this directly from another thread.
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You're implying that the only reason a Christian will do something right is because of the fear of god. You are wrong.
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Edited by HurtfulTurkey: 3/17/2013 2:41:53 AMDoes a Christian not also do good things because they genuinely believe doing good is what they should do? You've framed the question very poorly. Someone committing evil may also be doing it because they genuinely believe it is good and that it is what they should do.
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Depends on the Christian, of course. And maybe the Atheist, but there's more room for variety in the Christian's beliefs.
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Edited by Viltre: 3/17/2013 2:37:20 AMThis line of thinking is somewhat flawed, mainly because religion isn't the only reason one would be "good". Let's remove the variable of religion from people, what other extrinsic factors are still around? Let's see, some of the most obvious are the law and social norms. Without the religious factor, if one went and killed someone, they face incarceration, being locked up in a cell for a good amount of time. Let's remove the law as well. Now if someone went and killed someone, they face retaliation from their fellow members of their society. Simply put, religion and the thought of facing a bad afterlife is only one reason why one would be "good", there are still more extrinsic factors.
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Nope.
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3 RepliesMoral Christian is a oxymoron.
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A better question would be "does the end justify the means?"
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"Moral Christian" lol
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No, Charlie already made this a long time ago. I do good things to do right my myself. Since my morals are similar to those set down by God I in turn please him. Doing good and seeking nothing in return is good whether you do it for yourself or for our God.
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Honestly, whenever I help someone God is the last thing I'm thinking about. I'm Catholic by the way.
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Edited by TomoK12: 3/16/2013 4:44:17 PMJust because you're Christian, doesn't mean you do everything God tells you to do. And just because someone follows the teachings of Jesus, doesn't mean they're immoral without those teachings. Also the majority of atheists on here have no respect for others' religious beliefs. And I have never talked to an official atheist in real life before, so I wouldn't know.
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today's generation of atheists is the worst, all they ever say is things like "HEY GUYS I FOUND THIS THING THAT PROVES GOD ISN'T REAL! :DDDD"
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OP, I see where you're coming from, but the 2 athiests I know do not do good things. They act like they are greater than people of other religions.
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No, being good person is being a good person regardless of personal beliefs.
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no, a person doing good for their god must believe that their god is correct, so in effect they believe in doing good. therefore both are equally good
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Moral is objective. So no.
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Didn't Charlie make this exact same thread? This whole thread i think is just a C+V
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Objectively, it depends on more factors.
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I don't think their religion matters so long as they're doing the right thing.
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No. You might be able to argue that [i]some,[/i] and I mean very few, Christians perform acts of kindness solely for the purpose of bettering what they believe their reputation with God, but the simple case is that it isn't common. Generally, that sort of idea pops in the head of a Christian after they've performed a good deed simply because they feel it is a correct thing to do. It's a secondary thought. Atheists (I am one, so we can clarify where I'm coming from) do good deeds for reward, too, it just isn't a physical one. The feeling of gratification and satisfaction in knowing your just bettered some creature's life in some way is, technically, a reward nonetheless.
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Can a Christian not choose to do good things because they genuinely believe that is what they should do?
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1 ReplyI'd say one's probably more correct, but not 'better'. I'm not really sure what that means.
