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Edited by EVE Online: 3/4/2013 7:20:29 PM
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Too many people are trigger happy

I hear too many people talk ( on here and other places ) claiming that the moment they are under any kind of attack they will instantly and automatically draw their weapon and gun down the attacker. Just because you have your fancy little carry-your-gun-around card. Does not mean that the automatic response to any kind of attack is gunning down the attacker. Here is the first time of many I will say this. YOUR GUN IS YOUR ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT. If you kill someone in self defense, your life will change forever ( justified or not ) In the moments after you pull the trigger, your adrenalin will be at a lifetime high. Regardless of how much of a macho concealed carry permit holder you think you are. you will likely vomit and piss yourself. ( I have seen this happen ) Now the police are on their way. Depending on if their are wittnesses or not the call they got will be something like this. a) "I JUST HEARD SHOOTING AND A SCREAM." b) "A MAN HERE JUST SHOT AND KILLED ANOTHER MAN" c) "A MAN IS SHOOTING" The police are going to be coming at you with everything they have. You better stick your hands in the air the moment you see and hear the light and sirens. You are going to get put on the ground, cuffed and stuffed. Regardless of whether you were justified in pulling the trigger. You are going to look like a class A criminal to anyone who is watching ( at this point people will most likely be watching ) If there are family members around you, you can trust that they will never look at you in the same light again. At this point, this is only the start of the nightmare that you will be experiencing. You will be brought to the police station and aggressively questioned. You better be fuc­­king sure that you were so clearly and obviously justified in pulling the trigger. If you shoot someone in self defense. You can still be charged with murder. The prosecutor will be trying to portray you in a bad light. and tear down your credibility. There will be prosecutors and police officers who do not believe your story. They will try to put you in prison. It has happened to other people who have used guns in defense, and it sure can happen to you. At this point, it is most likely the next day. Guess who is on the local news? you are. There is a good chance that they will also show your mugshot that was taken when you were booked. ( this will further make you look like a Class-A criminal ) Let me say this again. YOUR GUN IS YOUR LAST RESORT. Scenario: Someone comes up to you and says "give me your wallet" ( without displaying a weapon ) Your Response: You pull your gun and shoot them in the chest. Likely outcome: Second Degree murder, lifelong felony status, prison term likely. Proper Response: Run away, yup that's right macho gun carriers. You get out of the situation by trying to escape, flee, retreat. The lawyers and prosecutors can do things with definitions and the laws that you simply cannot expect, or follow. Your interpretation of the self defense laws may have indicated that you *were* justified in shooting the would-be-wallet-stealer. You can expect the lawyers and prosecutors to pull out every single little-known technicality and loophole to build a case against you. But what actually will unfold in court is a whole different world. If this was caught on video surveillance. You will look. HORRIBLE. to the jury. from their point of view, they see 1 man approach the other man, the other man then pulls his gun and kills the second man. Its not about when you think you "legally can" shoot someone ( going off of the legal definition will get you prosecuted ) It is about when you [b]Should[/b] use your weapon. You should use your weapon when you are seconds away from death, or severe injury. Had your wallet-thief chased you with a knife and backed you into a corner. THEN would you have a chance of coming away from the situation with a "Justifiable Homicide" outcome. Guns are not cool tools that you can get to carry around and use to kill anyone who does anything against-the-law to you. Getting your name cleared will not be an easy or fun process. your life. Will never be the same. The media, and NRA glorifies this process. They make it seem like you can kill any attacker. explain why it was justified, and then be done with it the next day. NOPE. Chances are your life will revolve around your decision to use lethal force, for at least the next 9 months. with all of the court processes, and things that need to happen. Just look at the Trevon Martin and Zimmerman case. He used lethal force ( In what could turn out to be a situation found justifiable by the court ) the shooting took place on Feb. 26, 2012 its now march of 2013 for a little over a year, George Zimmerman's life has been revolving around the shooting. He is broke as a rock with the legal fees. And he still doesn't know what the outcome will be for him From there you will have to deal with PTSD ( you will likely suffer from this, as well as extreme situational anxiety ) for example. if you shot someone while in the supermarket. You aren't going to have a good time shopping for the next 20 or so years ( if you are lucky ) your weapon is your last resort.

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  • Also, I'd rather pull a Crocodile Dundee and whip out a big knife and scare people away.

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    • So, if you kill somebody in self defense, your fight isn't finished until you overcome all the other obstacles by force?

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      • Edited by Capiton Render: 3/4/2013 7:25:32 PM
        TL:DR I honestly dont really consider this to be a serious post, taking into account your name and the way you starte it. But here is my piece on drawing and when, i will do it when there is a reasonable threat perceived to me or a friend or family. I will be criticized, and scrutinized after, but [b][i]"Its always better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.[/i][/b] PS; nice filter bypass, are we allowed to do that now? Im assuming so since two mods posted in the thread and didn't do anything about it.

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        • If I am out in public and my hand goes to my weapon, then I have already failed on many of my important responsibilities and training as someone who carries the means of lethal force. If I am about to draw, that means that I am in a life-threatening situation where I am in reasonable fear for my life or the life of others. It means that I failed to identify the risk and the direction of the situation, and that I either did not, or failed to, de-escalate, defuse or withdraw from the situation. Having the ability and the means to employ lethal force is a very serious and very profound responsibility. When I have a weapon, I am not "more bold", I am "more aware". I do not feel that I "don't have to take shit from anyone", I know that if someone starts giving me shit, that I have a ethical and legal obligation to "retreat, withdraw, or otherwise take the shit that they are giving" (yes, even though there are "stand your ground" laws). Why? Because I know that I have the means of employing lethal force. The other person does not know that I have that capability (and I do not want them to know). That means that I have to be the adult, the mature, the ethical, the legally proper person and do all that I can to avoid, defuse, and withdraw. Carrying a weapon doesn't make me "brave or bold". It means that I am (and have to be) more responsible and thoughtful of my situation and my actions. Even if that means my ego pays a price. I have no problem whatsoever running away like a scared schoolgirl if that is a viable and reasonable alternative to employing lethal force. I would rather my ego suffer than having to take on the massive legal, ethical and emotional burden of having to take the life of another.

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          • I don't agree with all of your post, but it's a good point, OP. IMHO, intelligent people, gun owners or not, avoid situations where they even might need to have a gun. There are tons of precautions one can take, and they are not expensive or anything -- usually nothing more than a matter of acting wisely. Now, I don't think that everybody who uses a gun in a self-defense situation will necessarily be accused of murder and looked at as a criminal for the rest of their lives. I've known enough prosecutors and seen enough situations in the news where a person who used a gun was not arrested or prosecuted to know that. And obviously, there could still be the situation where one might have to pull or use a firearm as a last resort and in self-defense. But you're absolutely right that it should be the very last thing you think of doing, and only if you feel your life is in danger. If it's just about money, it's far safer and less of a hassle to hand over your wallet and lose that $100 to a mugger or robber than it is to pull your sidearm and risk a shootout where you might get injured or killed, or where you might kill or injure the other person and risk prosecution and/or litigation.

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          • Anybody who thinks that a first response to a threat should be to draw their gun should not be allowed to carry a firearm.

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          • Good read, gun owners should pay more attention to the ramifications of their actions. If someone is breaking into your house you dont need to gun them down on the spot, you can simply hold them at gun point until the police arrive. That is necessary force, you stopped a robbery and you weren't injured; on top of that you didn't murder someone.

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            • I'm sorry you felt the need to waste your time typing this up.

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              • I agree completely, I remember reading a post from someone on here saying that he hoped that someone would try and steal something from him so he could shoot them. Some people think that killing another person would feel like defeating your enemy in Halo; just shoot them and move on. It's a ridiculous (and potentially dangerous) attitude to adopt.

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                • The amount of things wrong in here is astounding. What you have said, yadada, no points, yada yada, everyone here is stupider because of your statement.

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                  • Quite true. At least as far as the title goes.

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                  • Kk.

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