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10/23/2007 12:43:23 PM
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Dyson Sphere's for dummies.
[url=http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k132/Lexus_021/dysonsphere.jpg]This is an example of a 'Dyson Sphere' that is described in the Halo novels[/url]
As I explained the orange wavy lines are Slipspace. For the sake of time, I decided to show Slipspace as wavy orange lines.....no one knows what Slipspace looks like. It is however known that you can pretty much see 'nothing' in Slipspace.
Seeing almost 'nothing' in Slipspace completely destroys the theory of the planet at the end of the Halo 3 game, on Legendary, as being Onyx, or even the Dyson sphere that the Spartans and Dr. Hasley are trapped on. The sphere is currently 'still' in Slipspace. You CANNOT see anything in Slipspace, so even if MC and Cortana 'were' in Slipspace at the end of the video, they wouldn't be able to see that planet, or even the Galaxy behind the ship. It is also proven within one of the novels that Slipspace, if power to a ship is lost, will drop out into normal space, no matter what. Given that MC's ship is cut in half, there is no way he can still be in Slipspace. Furthermore, hackers managed to get a code from the game that shows "forerunner_planet_cutscene" (pretty much that's not EXACTLY what it states, but those are the 3 words that are in that order in the game code)
I have said the word Slipspace alot in this post. Stop thinking it's Onyx, which is stupid, or even the Dyson Sphere, which is *almost* equally as stupid. This is for people who wish to know what a Dyson Sphere is, and also those people that think the planet at the end is a Dyson Sphere.
EDIT: If you want to see the words better, open the page, then hold ctrl and use the mouse wheel to zoom in and out.
[Edited on 10.23.2007 4:48 AM PDT]
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Bumping, just because it expands on what I've said before :) Kind of.
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One point I'd like to clarify. They are not supposed to be in slipspace in the final cutscene. That is right after they exited slipspace, and the slipstream collapsed before the ship made it all the way through. That's why it's only half a ship, and they are "dead in the water".
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] red spex [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] V101 Yeah the Sentinels did destroy Onyx. They reacted to the explosion. They saw it as a major threat and simply decided to go very defensive/offensive. The one bit that annoys me about it being Onyx is how the last portion of the Dawn ended up exiting the portal at that exact point. It seems awefully chancy to exit right at Onyx when the Portal closed. Hmmm you folks have got me thinking now. [/quote] the sentinels didnt destroy onyx. the sentinels WERE onyx... i think a lot of hullabaloo has been made over this for nothing. what everyone should be talking about is the next [hopefully] trilogy from bungie. probably having 117 as the main character[/quote] When we say that the sentinels destroyed onyx we mean that they destroyed the outer rock shell. Personnally I doubt that there will be another game with 117 as the main character. I predict that they rap up the story with a book. Bungie is probably kind of tired of working with Halo for now. I can't wait to see what other ideas they've come up with but couldn't do because they were busy making Halo so awesome.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] V101 Yeah the Sentinels did destroy Onyx. They reacted to the explosion. They saw it as a major threat and simply decided to go very defensive/offensive. The one bit that annoys me about it being Onyx is how the last portion of the Dawn ended up exiting the portal at that exact point. It seems awefully chancy to exit right at Onyx when the Portal closed. Hmmm you folks have got me thinking now. [/quote] the sentinels didnt destroy onyx. the sentinels WERE onyx... i think a lot of hullabaloo has been made over this for nothing. what everyone should be talking about is the next [hopefully] trilogy from bungie. probably having 117 as the main character
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Yeah the Sentinels did destroy Onyx. They reacted to the explosion. They saw it as a major threat and simply decided to go very defensive/offensive. The one bit that annoys me about it being Onyx is how the last portion of the Dawn ended up exiting the portal at that exact point. It seems awefully chancy to exit right at Onyx when the Portal closed. Hmmm you folks have got me thinking now.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] V101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cibinf [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] V101 My most likely conclusion is that the planet like thing we see is the planet inside the Ark. The ark itself was destroyed but not the planet. [/quote] I disagree. When the ark was destroyed I would expect it to take the planet too. Even if the planet was not completely destroyed, I would expect it to be heavily damaged from the debris of the ark/new halo. [i]Could[/i] that planet survive unharmed? (especially if it were [i]built[/i] by the forerunner) YES. Do I think that's the case, No.[/quote] The sentinel sphere survived in the center of Onyx despite the rest of the planet being destroyed in a massive nuclear explosion. I think the world aat the center of the Ark may not be a planet as in Earth but it could be a mechanical or artifical planet. It sure looks artifical from the glimplse we see of it at the end of Halo 3 and also the world at the center of the Ark look artifical. It is an interesting thought :) [/quote] I think that the sphere that the other spartans go to after going through the portal on Onyx is not actually inside of Onyx itself. The Forerunner installation on Earth took you outside of the Galaxy to be protected from the Halos' activation. Why not do the same thing for the Dyson Spheres? That'd be whole lot safer than staying in the same galaxy with the Flood and the rings. The sentinals inside Onyx that survived the nulear blast were protected by miles of rock. It was only a nuke, not a Nova Bomb. Besides, I'm pretty sure it was the sentinels who destroyed Onyx and not the nuke anyway. It's hard to protect a portal when there's miles of rock inbetween you and what you're supposed to be defending against.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] V101 SPOILER ALERT DO NOT READ ON IF YOU DISLIKE SPOILERS!!!!! What some people are trying to say is that the Dyson sphere has come out of slip space or that the planet we see is a rebuilt Onyx. I do not subscribe to either theory. I think it is far more likely that the planet is the planet that was in the middle of the Ark.[/quote] I've just a few thoughts here. First, for the thread creator. Nice post, and don't let anybody give you any grief about the Dyson Sphere that gets a hole put in it during the fight between Mendicant Bias and that other AI. Just point out that the AI knew that Mendicant would do this. The AI probably made sure the sphere was empty and not active, so it wasn't in slipspace. Second, At the end Cortana says that the ring you activated was destroyed, but she only says that "it did a number on the Ark." This leads me to believe that the Ark is not completely destroyed, so the planet in the Legendary ending cannot be the same planet from the rest of the game because there is no ark or even ark wreckage around it. It does look a lot like the planet from the center of the ark though. My guess is that the planet is either A. a forerunner planet of unknow type or B. a shield world that is not in slipspace. I see no reason for it not to be a sphere that has come out of slipspace.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cibinf [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] V101 My most likely conclusion is that the planet like thing we see is the planet inside the Ark. The ark itself was destroyed but not the planet. [/quote] I disagree. When the ark was destroyed I would expect it to take the planet too. Even if the planet was not completely destroyed, I would expect it to be heavily damaged from the debris of the ark/new halo. [i]Could[/i] that planet survive unharmed? (especially if it were [i]built[/i] by the forerunner) YES. Do I think that's the case, No.[/quote] The sentinel sphere survived in the center of Onyx despite the rest of the planet being destroyed in a massive nuclear explosion. I think the world aat the center of the Ark may not be a planet as in Earth but it could be a mechanical or artifical planet. It sure looks artifical from the glimplse we see of it at the end of Halo 3 and also the world at the center of the Ark look artifical. It is an interesting thought :)
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The Ark had a sun. If you look up while playing the Ark you can see it. I thought the same thing at first. The star thingy put me off but then I realised there was a sun shining on the Ark. If that is what you mean. Oh and if you remember the last human vessel to barely escape from the Onyx system was called Dusk. It would be ironic of a ship called Dawn (Forward Unto Dawn) was to arrive at the newly built world. Dusk left at the end of Onyx and Dawn arrived at the new beginning. [Edited on 10.23.2007 6:56 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] V101 My most likely conclusion is that the planet like thing we see is the planet inside the Ark. The ark itself was destroyed but not the planet. [/quote] I disagree. When the ark was destroyed I would expect it to take the planet too. Even if the planet was not completely destroyed, I would expect it to be heavily damaged from the debris of the ark/new halo. [i]Could[/i] that planet survive unharmed? (especially if it were [i]built[/i] by the forerunner) YES. Do I think that's the case, No.
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love it V101 your theories and thread master (whose name i forgot) good point, really cleared things up. Now I dont disagree with you, but theoretically it could still be the Dyson Sphere or Onyx as the DS could have left slip space by now or onyx rebuilt itself, but other wise i completely agree, oh and V101 good call about the middle Ark planet its a possibility but it looks like that planet already has a sun etc/solar system, so i think not.
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Ok so slipspace folds space time and allaows faster travel. Now the weird thing is it actually takes you time within slipspace to travel but you would appear to travel instantly in the real universe. (Man that stuff nearly blows your brain if you think about it to much.) It is all relative to your position. Time is different when you are inside slipspace and it seems to stop to an observer outside slipspace. This happens in the real world as well. Astronauts can take atomic clocks into space and have them report their timing to identical clock on the ground and the ones in space will appear to travel slower. Yet time runs at a normal pace for the astronauts on board the space station or ship. This is due to the speed they are travelling. While it is nowhere near the speed of light you can still measure the relativity time change. So how long did it take to travel to the Ark. I would imagine that the Ark is very far away (actually it is stated to be 2 to the power of 18 light years away, which is indeed a long way) so it would take considerable time to travel there. The traveler would be in slip space for some time. Yet in game it seemed to be instant. [Edited on 10.23.2007 6:58 AM PDT]
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you know there are several other theories out there. 1 i found to be somewhat plausible was that the planet is the same 1 from 1 of the iris messages. a red planet with the same infrared signature as mars. also the sun from the same image appears to be very hot and therefore bright, just like in the ending cutscene. i will go look for the image and put it on here [u]EDIT[/u] [url=http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/9011/infestationsm1.jpg]IRIS server 2[/url] [Edited on 10.23.2007 6:09 AM PDT]
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Might want to put a *Spoilers Inside* tag on the title... you just ruined the legendary ending for me..
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kitsune88 Good, too bad ignorant people still won't be able to comprehend this.[/quote] 2nd thread in a row i've read where you call people ignorant! ha ha! is it your word for the day or something? to the OP nice post, quite interesting
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SPOILER ALERT DO NOT READ ON IF YOU DISLIKE SPOILERS!!!!! What some people are trying to say is that the Dyson sphere has come out of slip space or that the planet we see is a rebuilt Onyx. I do not subscribe to either theory. I think it is far more likely that the planet is the planet that was in the middle of the Ark. Another possibility that I have been thinking about lately is that the Master Chief did go on a great Journey. As I was reading through the terminals scattered around Halo 3 I found one message that seemed to be originating from the last reclaimer. He was explaining that he was going to be the one to activate Halo and soon he would embark on his Great Journey. Hmmm. It got me thinking. At first I though the term was some religious wording for going to heaven. But then I thought of the beam at the end of Halo 2. When Halo is activated and you are trying to kill Tartarus the Halo beam simply transports you upwards. It doesn't actually harm you in any way. Perhaps when Halo is fired it transports you even further. Halo would of course filter out any Flood infection and probably rely heavily on the index to know what to transport and what not to transport. Alternative the Master Chief was simply protected from the Halo blast by being partially inside the portal or at least close to it hence normal space time was altered enough to not be effected by the Halo blast. (<<[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShadowLP Thanks for the topic man, was a bit confused with all these posts and theories floating about on the forums, just to clarify for my own well being and sanity the concept of slip space is basically like traveling from A to B in space but folding space so A and B become next to each other? so in real space the trip is near instantaneous, but for the people on the ship it takes a duration of time, or am i off by miles? Thanks again for the topic.[/quote] Correct.Thanks for the topic man, was a bit confused with all these posts and theories floating about on the forums, just to clarify for my own well being and sanity the concept of slip space is basically like traveling from A to B in space but folding space so A and B become next to each other? so in real space the trip is near instantaneous, but for the people on the ship it takes a duration of time, or am i off by miles? Thanks again for the topic.As far as we know, the Shield World mini-Dyson Sphere was encapsulated within its Slipspace bubble by other Forerunner means. Reason being, the FENRIS warheads that Kurt-051 detonated on Onyx destroyed a huge chunk of the Sentinel population, if not entirely due to reactor chain reactions and ensuing explosions. Despite this, the Slipspace bubble around the Dyson Sphere remains intact and unwavering. I'm pretty sure that Sentinels do not have that ability, even as a mass population. Then again, they were designated to be the surface of an entire planet, so I could just as easily be wrong. I think it safe to say, however, that they are not directly involved with the only Slipspace bubble we know of.[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kitsune88 Good, too bad ignorant people still won't be able to comprehend this.[/quote] wat? lyk idk wut da op iz sayin'. iz he takin bout chicken or sumthan lol? P.S. [i]Bump for great justice[/i]I meant, that when the sentinals are combined, do they have the ability to generate a slipspace bubble.....I'm not really sure if you're saying this or not, but let me clarify something, just in case: The Dyson Sphere, though encapsulated within a Slipspace bubble, would still be visible to the naked eye, given you were close enough to see something the size of a droplet of water (as described by Dr. Halsey near the end of the novel). This is the same as Team Katana being visible in their encapsulation within forerunner "slipspace pods". They are there visually, but not physically. They are in a form of compressed slipspace, just like the Dyson Sphere. So yes, it is visible... but again, it is the size of a droplet of water. Also, where was it stated that Sentinels have the ability to travel through Slipspace?no i get it, i read the novels, i never thought it was onyx, i thought it was a forerunner planet[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kitsune88 Good, too bad ignorant people still won't be able to comprehend this.[/quote] Well that's just too bad. If someone can't understand this, I'll guide you through it.Good, too bad ignorant people still won't be able to comprehend this.Bump. This is important people! [Edited on 10.23.2007 4:50 AM PDT]
