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10/20/2007 4:04:12 AM
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Was it just me, or did Cortana tell a huge lie? SPOILERS AHEAD
SPOILERS AHEAD
After beating Floodgate, Cortana says that the Flood are coming to Earth in High Charity, that Gravemind doesn't know about the portal or the Ark, and that there's a way to stop them through the portal. But during The Covenant, High Charity crashes on the Ark. Master Chief and the Arbiter kill all the Flood (and theoretically Gravemind as well) by creating a new Halo and firing it. But this solution depended on all the Flood actually being at the Ark, and a new Halo being created there and fired. And Cortana had said that the Flood didn't know about the Ark. So if she didn't think the Flood would follow Master Chief to the Ark, what solution did she really have? Was she just trying to lure the Flood and Gravemind to the Ark to set this plan into motion? It seems kind of odd that she would lie to everyone to get this done, but it seems to me the only logical conclusion.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elvyne "I like to play games...do you like to play games" - Cortana at Cortana lvl. Combine with qoute above from frost1691. Judge. There is more behind the story that has yet to unfold in later arcs.[/quote] WOW GUYZ, "Judge" thats pretty -blam!-. Like /discuss or Recognise. OR "bless"
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The new Halo rises into view in front of Chief, the Arbiter and Guilty Spark. Chief: "When did you know?" Spark: "Just now." Spark says the following on the level the Ark: "While I had a complete understanding of Installation 04, my Makers wisely limited my knowledge of all other strategic facilities". If Alpha Halo would be repaired after being blown up, i'm sure Spark would be the first to know about it due to the protocols. It must be programmed into the native Monitors and sentinels to build a replacement Halo. If Installation 04 would be repaired, Spark would have known. Also notice that Spark says he HAD a complete understanding of Installation 04, Spark is a Forerunner AI and doubt he would say "had" unless he knew 04 was completely destroyed by the explosion.
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Most of what Cortana said are quotes from The Fall of Reach, alot of it convo from when 117 was a child.
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sorry daniel, i've never got any messages before. ive replied. [Edited on 10.20.2007 3:31 AM PDT]
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Metaridley15, i think you have some unread messages, or your just being rude, either way respond. Ive only played that level 2 times, and all I know is you have to kill things and get to the end, im not one to pay all that atension to whateva you guys are talking bout. [Edited on 10.20.2007 3:21 AM PDT]
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[quote]but 343 states that "a new instillation, for the one that you destroyed" keyword being new[/quote] yes the repacement installation 04 is new, as in new materials used.
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but 343 states that "a new instillation, for the one that you destroyed" keyword being new
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I always though cortana was blue
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[quote]pretty sure the level 'Cortana' is played in the flood infested High Charity which has already crashed on the Ark... and correct me if im wrong but what Gravemind means by 'her secrets' is that she holds the index to installation 04 and plans to blow it up etc etc[/quote] that's what I thought. EternalDistain, the cortana you rescue before going to the ark is simply a message to MC
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EternalDisdain Okay... remember when you saved her on the level Cortana? As soon as you step out of the room Gravemind speaks and says something like "finally her secrets are revealed". That's how he knew of the Ark and sent the flood there.[/quote] pretty sure the level 'Cortana' is played in the flood infested High Charity which has already crashed on the Ark... and correct me if im wrong but what Gravemind means by 'her secrets' is that she holds the index to installation 04 and plans to blow it up etc etc ALSO.. you didnt' retrieve cortana from the cruiser in 'Floodgate', that was just a recorded message.. you retrieve cortana during the mission 'Cortana'.. thats what the mission is all about.. listen to the dialogue.. you are there to "Rescue Cortana" [Edited on 10.20.2007 2:54 AM PDT]
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your on the ark.....you shut down part of shield network to go kill truth. high charity pops up through portal shoots dispersal pods through halfjaws ship you kill truth go to high charity(which is now crashlanded on the ark) get cortana and then you fly to the NEW and inomplete halo ring that is a replacement to the one blown up in the first one and you escape on the ....forward under dawn (not sure of name of ship) yay thats how it happened
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thanks for clearing that up
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Actually the way I remember it was as soon as you recue Cortana you fly to the Ark with the Arbiter. Then as you are making your way to the building flood dispersal pods come shooting down. So it seems like they followed you there. Gravemind tried to grab your pelican with his tenticles as you escaped High Charity but failed. The reason he knew where you were going was because like I said he knew Cortana's secrets. She was the one who told you to go to the Ark and activate the ring. [Edited on 10.20.2007 2:35 AM PDT]
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All Halo rings have the same type of index. There are seven copies of the one index throughout the galaxy. This is because it would take time to gather each individual index but have the first one and you have them all. The index only says that this ring should activate and tell the other rings to get ready (by producing more sentinals). The new ring didn't even have its index yet (Guilty Spark) and any index could activate it.
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[quote]Okay... remember when you saved her on the level Cortana? As soon as you step out of the room Gravemind speaks and says something like "finally her secrets are revealed". That's how he knew of the Ark and sent the flood there.[/quote] I'm not saying you're wrong or im right, this is just my opinion, but if the "secret" was revealed as soon as you got cortana, it wouldn't make sense if it was about the Ark; high charity is already on the Ark when you get cortana. I always thought that the secret was installation 04's activation index, because Cortana shows it the MC in the cutscene before the "secret" is revealed. [Edited on 10.20.2007 2:28 AM PDT]
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[quote][quote]Posted by: EDreams This is a direct quote from the person who's brain was cloned to create cortana, when she actually got john-117 to join the spartans. ["I like to play games...do you like to play games" - Cortana at Cortana lvl.][/quote] wow, great connection![/quote] As a matter of fact many of the things cortana says when she first starts appearing on your screen are direct Dr. Halsey quotes from The Fall Of Reach. As for the new ring, it is a replacement, an exact replica of installation 04. But the question is: during the building of this new ring, wouldn't the index required be purposely different to the original, to prevent someone (cortana in this case) with the old index from activating the ring? Or maybe that process wasn't established; after all, the ring did still have a few more days before activation. Also, I'm sick of people saying that onyx has ANYTHING to do with halo 3 - it was destroyed during the events of halo 2 (Read Ghosts of Onyx).
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Okay... remember when you saved her on the level Cortana? As soon as you step out of the room Gravemind speaks and says something like "finally her secrets are revealed". That's how he knew of the Ark and sent the flood there.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKCII 1. It's the size of a small planet. How would you be able to stop it? 2. They were all inside of High Charity? 3. They were busy with the Flood on Earth (which was their main priority) and anything not on earth was better for them. 4. How do we know it didn't? Maybe that's why the Elites didn't follow it. There were suddenly more Flood to take care of.[/quote] I'm sorry that I didn't mention that the Elite quarantine was around Delta Halo, and any elite that arrived with Half-Jaw, left with Half-Jaw through the portal. It may be possible that the ships were in High Charity but it is unlikely (when Flood fly close to anything, in anything, they crash it).
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKCII [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fire Storm 222 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GoCatchAChicken One thing that has bothered me, how did the covenant know more about the forerunners the us humans (the actual foreruners?) It just doesnt make sence to me...[/quote] Humans are not forerunners. Humans were the "Special" race picked by the Forerunners. Im betting the Covenant know more about the forerunners because they learned space flight faster then humans and discovered old Forerunner ships / factorites / etc, and began making more and more..[/quote] Why then does Guilty Spark tell John 117 "You are Forerunner"?[/quote] Forerunner=Reclaimer? [And about 2000000 other things to that crazy light bulb... ;]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Schimmelord1 My questions are:1. How did High Charity break through the Elite's quarantine? 2. Why did no other Flood ships breach the quarantine? 3. Why did the Elites not follow High Charity like the Infinite Devil Machine? 4. Why did High Charity not bombard Earth with Flood Dispersion Pods?[/quote] 1. It's the size of a small planet. How would you be able to stop it? 2. They were all inside of High Charity? 3. They were busy with the Flood on Earth (which was their main priority) and anything not on earth was better for them. 4. How do we know it didn't? Maybe that's why the Elites didn't follow it. There were suddenly more Flood to take care of.
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incase anyone was wondering, the stuff you drive on while doing the warthog escape on halo, that is the stuff that is underneath all the artificial ground and terrain.... just so you know
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fire Storm 222 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GoCatchAChicken One thing that has bothered me, how did the covenant know more about the forerunners the us humans (the actual foreruners?) It just doesnt make sence to me...[/quote] Humans are not forerunners. Humans were the "Special" race picked by the Forerunners. Im betting the Covenant know more about the forerunners because they learned space flight faster then humans and discovered old Forerunner ships / factorites / etc, and began making more and more..[/quote] Why then does Guilty Spark tell John 117 "You are Forerunner"?
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Perhaps we should get things straight. Starting from Floodgate, the Infinite Devil Machine (the only name given to it in the game) is a CCS battlecruiser, very standard, just like the Truth and Reconciliation. The Dreadnaught is Truth's personal ship which he uses during the game. On the level The Covenant, High Charity uses the Earth portal to arrive at the Ark. Using the Floods only known landing technique, it crashes in the wasteland beside the activation citadel. Dispersion pods rain down from the ship and damaged the Shadow of Intent. The Halo seen rising from the wasteland is a new replacement, whether named 04, 08, or otherwise. Cortana says at the start of Halo that the ring is 'so new, unfinished'. The ship seen in the background at one point behind the pelican is Forward Unto Dawn, a frigate smaller than a cruiser and destroyer. To answer the OP's question, Cortana doesn't lie. She says in the recording that there is a way to stop the Flood without firing the 'remaining' rings. At the time of the recording, the new ring would not have been finished. My questions are:1. How did High Charity break through the Elite's quarantine? 2. Why did no other Flood ships breach the quarantine? 3. Why did the Elites not follow High Charity like the Infinite Devil Machine? 4. Why did High Charity not bombard Earth with Flood Dispersion Pods?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mchessell [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] veggieman SPOILERS AHEAD After beating Floodgate, Cortana says that the Flood are coming to Earth in High Charity, that Gravemind doesn't know about the portal or the Ark, and that there's a way to stop them through the portal. But during The Covenant, High Charity crashes on the Ark. Master Chief and the Arbiter kill all the Flood (and theoretically Gravemind as well) by creating a new Halo and firing it. But this solution depended on all the Flood actually being at the Ark, and a new Halo being created there and fired. And Cortana had said that the Flood didn't know about the Ark. So if she didn't think the Flood would follow Master Chief to the Ark, what solution did she really have? Was she just trying to lure the Flood and Gravemind to the Ark to set this plan into motion? It seems kind of odd that she would lie to everyone to get this done, but it seems to me the only logical conclusion.[/quote] 1 thing, the halo on the ark is the original Halo from Halo:CE Its just being repaired at the ark. its not a new one being built.[/quote] Go back and listen to the dialogue from Spark, the Arbiter and Cortana - it's a [i]replacement[/i]. Installation 04 was completely destroyed at the end of Halo. [Edited on 10.20.2007 1:59 AM PDT]
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Lots of things cortana says are taken from the books too (but not from her saying it). In The Fall Of Reach various sayings from Dejah and Dr. Halsey mimic/define what Cortana says in the halo games. There is a lot more to halo than most think. I just wish someone with the knowledge would compile it for once and get it stickied.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mchessell 1 thing, the halo on the ark is the original Halo from Halo:CE Its just being repaired at the ark. its not a new one being built.[/quote] [url]http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Installation_04_%28II%29[/url] First paragraph...
