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10/29/2004 2:36:35 AM
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Forerunner and a Prophet
[b][color=red]Warning: This thread contains Prophecy and possibly spoilers (I haven't played the game). If you are prone to flaming, you have been warned![/b][/color]
Welcome to my mother of all thread (thus far). For those of you who are familiar with my previous posts on the topic, this is new stuff. I have handpicked several passages from The Word. They're quite frightening at how they are [i]appearently[/i] coincidental... Or I'm just crazy (I like both answers). [i]If anyone would like a list of the passage titles, simply PM me for them and I'll be more than happy to send 'em your way.[/i]
([i]If you are [b]not[/b] a skeptic of my findings, skip this paragraph[/i])
I understand that some (if not, most or all of you) do not believe as I believe. But for all of you skeptics out there, please try to answer these questions:
[color=yellow]Where else do you hear about the Flood wiping out entire populations? Where else do you hear about the Prophets of the Covenant? Where else do you hear about the Reclaimer bringing salvation to mankind?[/color]
With that said, [b][i]let the intrigue begin![/b][/i] (any thoughts I add will be [i]italicised[/i])
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In response to the "is all sin equal or not?" question, I may have an answer for this. I myself am Catholic, so I pray no one takes offense when I say that Catholicism basically believes in "mortal sin" (ie : -blam!-, murder, french kissing, blasphemy), (oh ya im not even kidding about rhe french kissing thing a lot of my friends think its a mortal sin, aka, you do it and die before you can confess, you go to hell). So the Catholics, (to the best of mY knowledge), do NOT consider all sin equal. However I do know that many see God as seeing all sin as equal, and therefore no matter what, a return in mind and heart to him, confessed or not, and repenting for sins is enough to wash them away clean. I personally have no opinion on the matter, and if I said something wrong or offensive in this post, please let me know, because I mean no harm to any.
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For the wages of all sin is death. Jesus takes away all sin if you have faith in Him. He once said that the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. [b][color=white]UPDATE PENDING:[/B][/COLOR] [I]Blow me away[/i]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Casey [quote] The second worst sin is adultery, followed by murder. [/quote] I thought all sin was sin in the eyes of god.
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interesting how u got stories from the bible compared to halo and halo 2, did u read the bible or something (to me the bible is one big sleeping pill) anyway this is one og the many cases when a big fan thinks a little to far by looking for comparisons to halo even how close they are. like people who say the humans are the forerunners, its a great theory but I say just wait and see
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hey finally watched your halo video...good stuff man...although I think ya took it a lil outta context...bad boys? lol jk. It was great
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I think that bungie took stories and storlines (and parables as well) and molded the halo storyline around it. And yes, the locusts in revelations do indeed remind me of the drones, as well. There's also the breaking of the old covenant, and then a new covenant that includes members of the old covenant [i]AND[/i] the ones that they'd rather do away with under the old system (gentiles related to humans?). ....I need to slap myself before I get sucked back in.... *nervously looks around* goodnight!
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that is something........i really think you have too much time on your hands but it's good to find people who go and dig this stuff up, so do you think, bungie based some of the halo story line from the bible. it would make some sence if they took some content from the bible and interlaced it with halo since it is a holy war they are fighting. Also if you remember the armored locus from Revelations, I think drones fit the profile of them very nicely. [Edited on 2/15/2005 8:12:23 PM]
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of course, a movie [i](are we talking about a movie or a halo 3?)[/i]... er, the "next installment" to the story would totally bomb if it didn't make any sense. Of course, I know a guy who played Halo PC for a long time, and he didn't even know who 343 guilty spark is [i](even by the time he got to the maw)[/i]. So, generally speaking, there are alot of idiots when it comes to the halo universe. Of course, that doesn't apply here, because the casual player doesn't have enough care to come to a dedicated forum.... [i](crap, I'm rambling)[/i] [i][u]ANYWAY[/i][/u], it [i]could[/i] make sense to the halo community, it [i]could[/i] appeal to the unenlightened, and it [i]should[/i] contain a deeper story.... but, added together, all of these elements have very few options if they are to coincide [i](atleast in a movie, anyway)[/i] All in all, a movie has less options, but a game has less prestige. [b][color=white]Update pending[/color] PS[/b][i] WOULD YOU (PLURAL) RATHER HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE SONG "BLOW ME AWAY" OR A SHORT (VERY SHORT) FIND ON A SPECIFIC FLOOD INCIDENT ON DELTA HALO?[/i]
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Psychade I will disagree with you. Why would they create a whole nother story? They need to compliment Halo 2 with Halo 3, because if Halo 3 starts off somewhere else other than on Delta Halo or the forerunner ship then the fans will be pissed. Sure, the actiion will be great still, and a lot will like that, but some people (like myself) need closure on how the story ends and how it happens.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned or not but you must remember that it's got to make sense to everyone, from every perspective. Halo 2 might have made sense to people who know nothing about Halo 1, the Bible, anything, which I think means brilliant planning. Halo 3 will have to be able to be understood by everyone as well, including people who haven't played Halo 1 or 2. The majority of gamers are 'casual gamers' (can't rmember where I heard it from) and probably don't care about the story, Halo being the action game it is. Bungie did put a lot of effort into the story, even "for a game based on action and not thinking" (From the LE DVD). You have put a lot of thought into this and I hope you're right, because, well, I think it would be cool. But, I also don't want to be flamed, so I will leave it at that. This has probably been mentioned before, anyway.
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Wow, good job Ice Weasel, on picking up all of this. Way to read between the lines. And yes, there are far too many allusions for this to be an accident. I wonder how accurate you really are on this; makes the wait for Halo 3 even more unbearable. Anyway, about humans, you don't suppose it is a sort of allusion to the Hebrews do you? The Chosen People who are looked down upon and mistreated by the rest of the world. It seems rather fitting to me, but I only came up with this off the top of my head. Oh, and if anyone else said this already, sorry, I haven't read all these posts yet, so excuse me if I accidentally stole your theory. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IceWeasel In response to saying I have no life... [quote][color=red]So who ever has God's Son has life; whoever does not have His Son does not have life.[/color][/quote] [/quote] That is THE best response to that question I have ever heard. Kudos!
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For those who wonder about bungie being deep into religion....i remember either reading something on this website or watching something where a major employee says halo has a lot of religious connections....more than most think or something close to that. can anyone else remember reading that or seeing that too?
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[quote]So.... judging by the way just about everyone (covenant) acts... I'd bet that only the prophet of truth really enjoys having the brutes in power... he'll end up killing them all any way (or die trying). [/quote] ^Stated by "Ice Weasel"^ Ok, seriously, this is the last response I will make tonight! When you stated the above, about the Prophets dieing in attempt to kill the Brutes, I was immediatly reminded of a scene on the Special Edition disk. During the special features, it shows a short scene that was removed from the game. During the scene, an explanation of the Prophet/Elite alliance unfolds. It states that before the Elites and Prophets allied, they were at war with one another. In the scene, a drawing of some sort is shown, with an Elite and Prophet engaged in battle. In this "drawing", if you will, the Prophet is wielding a spear. To do so effectively, one would have to possess a somewhat formidable physical ability. This brings me to my next point. When stated int he manual, player's guide, etc., that the Prophets are physically weak biengs, I dissagree, for reasons stated above. I believe that te only physically weak Prophets are the ones of more age, as the three in Halo 2 appear to be. (Thus explaining the fairly simple erradification of the Prophet of Regret, as well as the descriptions in manuals, etc.) However, I do believe that the Brutes would in fact overpower the Prophets in an all-out battle, however, I do not believe that the heightened intelligence of the Prophets would allow the situation to deteriorate to such a level. I am aware that this topic, as well as the ones stated above, are mostly un-related to the primary underpinning of this forum, it's just more information to bring to the table. Who knows, this information might be used by someone with a theory that relates more to your comparison. This is it, I am really going to sleep now! :-P [Edited on 2/12/2005 10:57:39 PM]
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Humans are forerunners. Think about it, the forerunner wiped themselves out to save the universe, in the conversation book in the limited edition halo 2 some of the covenant talk about the forerunner returning. The prophets know we are the forerunner that is why they want to kill us they are either power hungry or have sosmething to do with the forerunner past. I think the ancient egyptians might have something to do with this. The scarab mythical egyptian mythical beast, Banshee screaming ghost, wraith tyrant ghost, ghost... you know, phantom silent ghost, spectre observing ghost, shade ghost of darkness. why did the covenant hit africa? perhaps the arch is somewhere there. Why do the prophets want to activate the ring? perhaps there is some kind of conspiracy the monitors know of but not the humans. Perhaps ther is some kind of room inside a pyramid to activate the room. I guess we will have to wait for halo 3.
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[quote] "Why the ark, of course"343 GS says. Coventant......the Ark.......theres no doubt that the covenant are gonna be at the ark......they will claim the Ark......thus the Ark....becomes "The Ark Of The Covenant" [/quote] ^Stated by "Kmister"^ To expand on your theory: The Ark of the Covenant, that is, the one in the Bible, contained the Ten Commandments: the rules by which to lead life. Rules are created by one who has an influence or control over the situation/organisms that the rules were created for. Rules = Control The Ark of the Covenant (Halo) contains the "switch" (for lack of a better word) to activate the Halo's. By activating the Halo's, one would have made the somewhat conscious decision to end all sentient life in the respective area. The ability to allow or end life is a clear sign of control over this life. Just a thought to help link the two Arks. [Edited on 2/12/2005 10:57:05 PM]
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Ice Weasel. Props to your research and your interest. I have read as much as I could about these refrences and I am utterly impressed. I have done some reaserch of my own, and I have come up with the same conclusions as yourself. The more I read through this forum, the more I was reminded of something you might find interesting: You obviously are interested in Biblical prophesies, and thus, their relation to the world today. I strongly suggest you take up reading the Left Behind series. I myself have read them, and they are very captivating. They are a series of twelve fictional books that tell the story of the fulfillment of the prophesies stated in the Book of Revalation. Very good books; I strongly believe you will enjoy them. Second thing I noticed in this forum was when you mentioned the first time playing Halo: [quote] Indeed. Everyone try to think back to the very first moment of playing halo... peeling back the wrapping on the case. sliding the fresh, unscratched disc into the black console. Bungie screen catches you off gaurd as the use metaphoricle bacteria populating the earth and then- there... -right there- you hear monks singing. [/quote] I am a sophomore in high school (Go Gauchos!) and am enrolled in Biology. We have recently studied cell replication, etc., which instantly reminded me of that opening screen. When a cell duplicates, it will continue to duplicate until it runs out of room. for example, when it runs into another cell or group of cells. This made me think of Bungie's goal of "World Domination", that is, they will continue to grow until they have the whole world. This is represented clearly in the opening screen with the cells and the planet. I know both of these are somewhat off-topic points, but I thought I might take it upon myself to bring them to your attention. Based on your attitude throughut the forum, I believe you will appreciate this information more than you won't. I am, however, rather tired, and will "turn in" for the night. P.S. Yes, it is "Turn In". :-P
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Powerhungrymonk dude even though that is sort of cool, your are way too obseesed. it is scripture and this is a freaking game(no offence) there is no conetion[/quote] well...... not only is Halo2 a high action groundbreaking videogame....but if u watched the video of the making of halo2 they said they where trying to tell a great story....so it isnt just about shooting ....its about the feeling u get in the game, knowing what has happened what will happen, and what needs 2 happen......i mean....can u imagine the halo games without a storyline??? and has nobody noticed the conection beetween "The Ark Of The Coventant" that 343 GS mentioned and the artifact in the bible? im like this things that u guys are saying but im not that great at thinking them, or saying them......but this is such an obvious connection. "Why the ark, of course"343 GS says. Coventant......the Ark.......theres no doubt that the covenant are gonna be at the ark......they will claim the Ark......thus the Ark....becomes "The Ark Of The Covenant" keep in mind im am awful at describing things like these, and im not real smart. [Edited on 2/12/2005 9:05:37 PM]
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no no, waste it here. We appreciate you here. Uh, I'd imagine that the Prophet of Truth would have cut a deal with Tartarus circa the time of halo 04's destruction. And I could only surmise that the other two major prophets didn't like the new addition. With a large insurgency of heretic elites finding knowledge more valuable than blind loyalty, the Prophet of Truth would more than likely need some leverage over the strong [i]and[/i] intelligent elites. With a blindly loyal brute army [i](see also: cutscene where the arbiter and johnson confront tartarus)[/i], Truth could easily buy time against the elites. He probably knew the elites would rise up against him, so the only way he could accomplish his goals in time would be to find a new group to dictate for protection, and not necesarilly to conquer. So.... judging by the way just about everyone [i](covenant)[/i] acts... I'd bet that only the prophet of truth really enjoys having the brutes in power... he'll end up killing them all any way [i](or die trying)[/i].
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Good question but I know how the Elites think of the brutes. The same way I feel about my Ex's new bf...cuz they got REPLACED. OOOOOoooooo! *diss* wow im a loser...I think I'll go waste my life somewhere else now.
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Their leaders do, that is. But what did they think of the brutes then when they met?
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According to the themes in halo 2... the covenant see the humans as vermin infesting the tools of their so revered forerunners. They are merely a contemptable obstacle. As far as biblical allegories... I'm a little jumbled as far as organised thoughts go, but I do have a pretty good idea as far as entire notions go with the relations between ALL of the races.
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There is more to Halo's realation to the Bible than just the words. The stories parallel--Noah's Ark in which provides refuge against the killing flood. Doesn't that sound all too familiar. On another note, did anyone see that theory on HBO that both Delta and the first Halo are nearby??? I was wondering--what do the Covenant want with humans. We know that many Sanghelli (elites) wonder why the prophets doen't incorporate the humans and offer them the alliance of the Covenant. Our marines are more disciplined than the grunts. Are the humans mentioned in the Forerunners prochecy somewhere (if there is one). Ice, you there??? heh.
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Another excellent point. actually, that find was on the first page. [quote]Before him great armies will be swept away, including a [b][color=purple]covenant prince[/color][/b]. ...On the way he will return home he will set himself against the people of the [b][color=purple]holy covenant[/color][/b], doing much damage before continueing his journey. For warshps from the western coastline (kittim) will scare him off, and he will withdraw and return home. But he will vent his anger against the people of the [b][color=purple]holy covenant[/color][/b], and reward those who forsake the [b][color=purple]covenant[/color][/b]. His army will take over the [color=purple][b]Temple fortress[/color][/b], polluting the [b][color=purple]sanctuary[/color][/b], putting a stop to the daily sacrifices, and setting up the sacreligious object that causes desecration.[/quote] Actually, you could take one sentence from this, and label it as a "Condemning Spoiler" prior to November 9th. [b][color=white][quote]But he will vent his anger against the people of the holy covenant, and reward those who forsake the covenant.[/quote][/color][/b] All this point, counterpoint... Or should I say "point, counterpoint, counterpoint, counterpoint".... etc. has gotten me thirsty for a new update. I suppose I could brew somethin' up. [EDIT] Now, let us stop bickering and come to the realization that Bungie has more on its plate than you'd think. I'd rather not see this thread locked... but I can post [i](dramatic pause)[/i] again. [Edited on 2/6/2005 5:32:30 PM]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mark117 If you read my entire post you'd see that i actually mentioned each and evry one of those words,my argument is that those words are the ONLY links to the bible and that they are there because there is a group of religious fanatics in the game.My argument is that one shouldnt assume that plot twists can be uncovered from reading the bible.And that obviously ecumenical phrases had to be used since there is a religious group in the game.So next time read the actual post before you flame it.OK?I dint say there wasnt a connection between halo and the bible i said that the connection was a few words nothing else.[/quote] I find it Ironic that you say this Mark. Becase I distinctly recall Weasel, or someone in this thread predicting the covenant civil war before the second game released. I'm sorry, but its hard to argue with a person who actually used the bible to (supposedly) "predict" the events in Halo 2. I'm gonna try not to take a side but I do remember, before Nov 9th 2004, I was in a forum looking around and heard someone musing on a covenant civil war through biblical evidence. Plus, its fun to believe that one of my favorite videogames of all times has tie ins to my religion. Its no big deal one way or another.
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That's an excellent point. The observation of one cannot account for the actual amount of what is being observed. What you see in this thread is an observation that I have seen, and what others add. I'm sure we left out big portions of the entire picture. Many see only the names. Few see stories behind the names. Fewer still see how the stories within halo relate to each other... Need I remind you of the cortana transmissions?
