[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] halo2stu here is a halo-bible simularity. The end of time will come when all people are united under one government. Earth under one government in halo.All people who bore the symbol of the devil will perish. Scientists today believe that the mark of the devil will be a computer chip. All unsc soldiers have a computer chip that is implanted in them for identification,almost all of the soldiers are dead and civillians suffer the consequences with their lives too. The covenant have wiped out almost the entire human race.[/quote] So are you saying that the covenant is the devil or conversely a Holy hand/angel of God? Keep in mind that half the races are cast down from the covenant and are [i]likely[/i] (not guarunteed) to side with the humans. I believe that no halo character continuously personifies a single and distinct Biblical hero. At times both the Master Chief and The Arbiter take on roles that [u]resemble[/u] our Messaiah, and at one point The Arbiter is like the Apostle Paul... And then at another point a Judge of Israel. Anyway, consider Multiple roles for singular instances/charecters, and vice versa. To anyone who reads this specific statement, please respond: Would you consider [b]reading[/b] [i][not necessarilly paying for][/i] a book on this topic? [Edited on 6/20/2005]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] halo2stu here is a halo-bible simularity. The end of time will come when all people are united under one government. Earth under one government in halo.All people who bore the symbol of the devil will perish. Scientists today believe that the mark of the devil will be a computer chip. All unsc soldiers have a computer chip that is implanted in them for identification,almost all of the soldiers are dead and civillians suffer the consequences with their lives too. The covenant have wiped out almost the entire human race.[/quote] Funny, I remember a time when instead of computer chips people thought social security numbers would be the mark of the devil... GuNNeR OU

here is a halo-bible simularity. The end of time will come when all people are united under one government. Earth under one government in halo.All people who bore the symbol of the devil will perish. Scientists today believe that the mark of the devil will be a computer chip. All unsc soldiers have a computer chip that is implanted in them for identification,almost all of the soldiers are dead and civillians suffer the consequences with their lives too. The covenant have wiped out almost the entire human race.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PJR4 Iceweaseal all this stuff is cool and very interesting I am a christian and was wondering what Bible you were getting the scriptures from.[/quote] Just the regular Bible. More precisely, the majority of the verses are from the New Living Translation. One or two may be from the New International version... I think. I say "I think" becuase I use two versions to cross reference for any translation discrepencies that may arise. It is possible that I copied out of both Bible translations. In either case, the difference is minimal.

Iceweaseal all this stuff is cool and very interesting I am a christian and was wondering what Bible you were getting the scriptures from. [Edited on 6/14/2005]

it's been awhile since I last posted, but here I go: Ark: -of Noah, -of the covenant this whole division regarding which of the two it is is pointless to me. It's not only the sole protection against the flood, but is also the holy symbol that only the reclaimers can activate. As many have alreday speculated, Earth is the Ark. :Cortana states that the Covenant didn't expect to find mankind on earth: But I believe that Earth/The Ark is to some extent protected from the destructive power of the rings. 343 GS mentioned they were activated before and yet flood existed on the rings at that. That's to say there are places in the galaxy safe from Halo. To add to the Ark=Earth theory, in the end Truth is making one last attempt to complete the journey by taking the forerunner ship to Earth. WHY? Why else... Forerunners=Reclaimers This one's pretty obvious, seeing as reclaimers (at this point being any human) need to be the ones to activate the rings and the forerunners beforehand had done the same. Also that in the books 343 GS described a dead human in the library as another reclaimer, as well as Miranda Keyes. Off topic: seeing as the elites ( or many of them ) have changed sides in the fight it's likely that a new pact between human and elite will be formed creating an alliance/coexistence. Well that's all for now but please respond with thoughts and ideas.

Well, when it comes to religious theorizing on modern media, sometimes you're really throwing yourself out there. Among the things that I have written that are far fetched, I do not feel that my [keyword:]musings are among them. True, Breaking Benjamin [i]may[/i] not even have an inclination to write a song with that intent, I merely try to point out things that I either notice... or things that remind me of, well, other things. Blow Me Away is either one or the other, and my thoughts on the matter are subject to simple human error. And yes, it is a shame that the soundtrack only has a fraction of the original songs, and that a fraction of the disc is "inspirational" pieces. If I remember correctly, the song in the gondola sounds a lot like either 'Remeberance' or even a bit like 'Heavy Price Paid'... On second thought, it does seem a bit more like 'Rememberance'.... there were two gondolas, yes? I actually have a [b]NEW UPDATE[/b]! Highway to hell: I was playing the level Gravemind yesterday, and the prophet of Truth said something I always heard before (i only paid attention to it like... two or three times), but didn't quite care. He said [to the extent of]: [quote]The path is wide, and together we shall walk it side by side.[/quote] The path to what, Prophet of Truth? Why, the Great Journey of course! And what does the "Great Journey" yield? That's right, [b]destruction![/b] Matthew 7:13 NLT [url=http://www.carm.org/kjv/Matt/matt_7.htm][quote]"You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. *[i]The highway to hell[/i]* is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way." 7:13 Greek *[i]The way that leads to destruction[/i]*.[/quote][/url] Does this seem to click? Or am I slowly going mad? Peace, ~Weasel

Hey Ice, long time no theorizing. Sorry I've been out, but I can assure you all you haven't gotten rid of me yet. Ice, I checked out the "translation" of Blow me away, and a LOT of things in there seemed to make sense, and at the same time, a lot of things seemed a little, far-fetched? not to flame, cuz I did find a lot of things that made sense, so yeah...all the same, you gotta love that sing, its a shame though, a lot of the music on the soundtrack doesnt have the traditional "Halo feel" that I got from the first one... Anyone else notice that the song that plays during "Regret" when you're riding the gondola's is nowhere to be found on the soundtrack? I listened through it about 3 times looking for it. Anyway, thats my intrusion and disruption for today.

Take note, I may not post anything new in the forums for a long time about the above topics. Atleast until my next project on the matter is finished. I will refere this thread as an archive and use it to answer any further questions. Weasel out.

Amen to that.

people are always taking stuff from the bible for ideas on games, movies, books...all kinds of stuff. There are just too many great stories.

Yeah, I covered a lot, and yes, the plasma fire was out of desparation. My bad. Keyes is probably considered delicate because Guilty spark was probably used to the chief... or perhaps it's relative to the sarge (who's obviously had more face up combat experience... thus less delicate). And a forerunner doesn't necesarilly make pure. He just takes back what was his.

One other thing. How come Spark said this reclaimer is delicate. Miranda Keyes? What makes her so special?

I missed your reclaimer explanation. Sorry. Good one. Oh and I'm sure you covered the rest, only read page one.

As far as the matrix goes, I like to think of it as movie about a possible future. Next, a possible reason for religious suggestions in Halo (ring over an angels head in case you missed the most obvious). The covenant themselves are highly religious, and I'm sure there are other books that relate to Halo...the Korran (spelling?), that book for Mormons, etc. Anyway, I think the problem some people are having is down right stupid. From some replies I think some people think you're suggesting that the bible is copying Halo. Ridiculous people. Next, can you reinterate this forerunner thing. That just means one who came before. Reclaimer means one who makes pure. A general word perhaps not referring to Jesus. Also in your Earth invasion reference. They seemed to vague. Oh wait, the Old Testament is vague so it can fit any time frame. Plasma-Fire. That was a desperation example. By the way, don't forget the Ark. The place mentioned at the end of Halo 2. Think Raiders of the Lost Ark....

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MrSpassOut [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kmister and has nobody noticed the conection beetween "The Ark Of The Coventant" that 343 GS mentioned and the artifact in the bible? im like this things that u guys are saying but im not that great at thinking them, or saying them......but this is such an obvious connection. "Why the ark, of course"343 GS says. Coventant......the Ark.......theres no doubt that the covenant are gonna be at the ark......they will claim the Ark......thus the Ark....becomes "The Ark Of The Covenant" keep in mind im am awful at describing things like these, and im not real smart.[/quote] i've noticed this and i've posted it a couple of times but got no response becuase the people reading were idiots or the 2 responses i did get were flamers or in one case a jacjass thinking he's funny. It says in the bible that if you weren't selected to move the ark you died. i believe that is its defense mechanism. of course it will have one. the remote to the utter destrucion of intelgent life in the universe will have some defense.[/quote] dude, you just read my mind for the next update. But you're right. Only the Levites (descendants of Aaron) could move the Ark. I think that since only "reclaimers" can activate the rings, I think that it is entirely plausible that only reclaimers can use the Ark. I'm not liking the fact that the master chief is on the Ark. If Truth can't activate it, I'm sure that he can find a way to get the chief to do it. Against his will or not. Anyway that brings me to the connection... a minor one at that in a style I currently avoid (the metaphorical connections [i](i ussually did them in my earlier theory writing days)[/i]).. The reclaimers are the only one's who can activate the halos.... The Levites are the only ones who can move the Ark (and do it correctly).... In a nut shell, reclaimers=Levitical priests. [Edited on 3/19/2005 9:21:05 PM]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kmister and has nobody noticed the conection beetween "The Ark Of The Coventant" that 343 GS mentioned and the artifact in the bible? im like this things that u guys are saying but im not that great at thinking them, or saying them......but this is such an obvious connection. "Why the ark, of course"343 GS says. Coventant......the Ark.......theres no doubt that the covenant are gonna be at the ark......they will claim the Ark......thus the Ark....becomes "The Ark Of The Covenant" keep in mind im am awful at describing things like these, and im not real smart.[/quote] i've noticed this and i've posted it a couple of times but got no response becuase the people reading were idiots or the 2 responses i did get were flamers or in one case a jacjass thinking he's funny. It says in the bible that if you weren't selected to move the ark you died. i believe that is its defense mechanism. of course it will have one. the remote to the utter destrucion of intelgent life in the universe will have some defense.

Yeap, [url=http://halocinema.bungie.org/halo2/25_fight_club.wmv]link[/url]. 20 or so seconds in.

I have a question about the storyline--so the Council was murdered by the brutes?

[color=red][b]UPDATE:[/b][/color][I]BREAKING BENJAMIN, BLOW ME AWAY[/I] Alright. Just for starters, before any of all ya say anything, I am completely aware that these finds may merely be coincidences. And to diffuse any predicted arguments, I’ll just try to blow ‘em away right here and now. Yes, I know. Breaking Benjamin isn’t a Christ based group. My answer to that is that they might not even know what they are singing. They could have been given lyrics to follow by bungie, or they could have been given instruction as to what theme to write. Eh…. Can’t think of anything else to consider. Got beef? Ask away. In the mean time… on with the theory! Reviewing the lyrics, I have come to the notion that the song is a parallel to what Jesus went through on His last few hours in Jerusalem. That is, before He was crucified. I will try to reveal as much as I can as best I can. Anything in white is a select verse in question. Anything in red are the Words of Jesus. Anything in yellow are my words/annotations. Scripture that isn’t a Jesus quote will be…. Underlined. “[!]” Means I’m sure it means something, but I am too tired to see it. [quote]They fall in line One at a time Ready to play [color=white]I can’t see them anyway[/color][/quote] John 9:39 [color=red]Then Jesus told him, “I have come to judge the world. I have come to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are really blind.”[/color] [quote]No time to lose We’ve got to move[/quote] Mark 14:50 [u]Meanwhile, all his disciples deserted him and ran away.[/u] [quote]Steady your hand I am losing sight again[/quote] [color=yellow]-Ahem- John 9:39[/color] [quote]Fire your guns Its time to run Blow me away [color=white]I will stay unless I may[/color][/quote] John 14:36 [color=red]”Abba, Father”[/color][u]he said,[/u][color=red]”everything is possible for you. Please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will, not mine.”[/color] [color=yellow]Basically, He’s afraid to die on the cross, but He knows that it will save millions of people. He will stay on less He may.[/color] [quote] After the fall[/quote] [color=yellow](many refer to the first sin of Adam and Eve as "the fall" or “the fall of man”)[/color] [quote]We’ll shake it off[/quote] [color=yellow](The fall of man was cleansed by the death of Christ. After 3 days, He shook off the payment of sin (death))[/color] [quote][color=white]Show me the way[/color][/quote] John 14:6 [u]Jesus told him,[/u][color=red]”I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me…”[/color] [quote]only the strongest will survive [color=white]Lead me to heaven when we die[/color][/quote] [color=yellow]Again, Jesus is The Way into Heaven’s gates… Unless you lived a perfect life.[/color] [quote]I have a shadow on the wall[/quote] Hebrews 8:5 [u]They serve in a place of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven. For when Moses was getting ready to build the Tabernacle, God gave him this warning: “Be sure that you make everything according to the design I have shown you here on the mountain.”[/u] [quote]I’ll be the one to save us all[/quote] [color=yellow].....think about it....[/color] [quote] There’s nothing left [!] So save your breath [!] [color=white]Lying and wait[/color][/quote] Mathew 26:3-4 [u]At that time the leading priests and other leaders were meeting at the residence of Caiaphas, the high priest, to discuss how to capture Jesus secretly and put him to death.[/u] [quote]Caught inside this tidal wave[?] [color=white]You’re covers blown No where to go Holding your fate [!] Knowing that I will walk alone Fire your guns Its time to run Blow me away[/color][/quote] Mathew 26: 46-51,56 [color=red]”Up, let’s be going. See, my betrayer is here!”[/color][u] And even as he said this, Judas, one of the twelve disciples, arrived with a mob that was armed with swords and clubs. They had been sent out by the leading priests and other leaders of the people. Judas had given them a prearranged signal: “You will know which one to arrest when I go over and give him a kiss of greeting.” So Judas cam straight to Jesus. “Greetings, Teacher!” he exclaimed and gave him a kiss. Jesus said,[/u][color=red] “My friend, go ahead and do what you have come for.”[/color] [u]Then the others grabbed Jesus and arrested him. One of the men with Jesus pulled out a sword and slashed off an ear of the high priest’s servant.[/u] [color=red]"...But this is all hapenning to fulfill the the words of the prophets as recorded in the scriptures."[/color] [u]At that point, all the disciples deserted him and fled.[/u] Whew, I think that covered all of the lyrics without doubling over. What do all y’all think? [Edited on 3/5/2005 8:50:15 AM]

Double update in-bound. I'll probably make an entirely new thread devoted to it with all (or most) of my finds there to keep it organized and concise instead of forcing folks to sift through 15 pages of apologetics. [Edited on 3/3/2005 9:09:43 PM]

Hey guys, I found another one. This time on Gravemind. [b][color=white]UPDATE: GRAVEMIND[/b][/color] This, too, is like the last update. It's short, it doesn't reveal a ton, and it's from the book of psalms. I think that the creators of halo had this verse in mind when they created the master mind behind the flood: Gravemind. [color=white]Psalm 18:4-5[/color] [quote]The ropes of death surrounded me; the floods of destruction swept over me. The grave wrapped its ropes around me; death itself stared me in the face.[/quote]

Heh, I'm listening to Blow me Away as we speak! HOORAH! So, "only the strongest will survive". -confusion-

Alright, I know this isn't the "blow me away" update [i](which is probably coming)[/i], but this should have [b]some[/b] level of interest. Of course, this may not reveal anything unless you just heard about halo. However, it does verify the importance of the ark. I do believe that the halo writers had this particular scripture [i]in mind[/i] when halo was in the making. [color=white]Psalms 132:8-9[/color] [quote] Arise, O LORD, and enter your sanctuary, along with the ark, the symbol of your power. Your priests will be the agents of salvation; may your loyal servants sing for joy. [/quote] And just for kicks, here's an abstract one that doesn't seem so abstract when you think about it.... or if you click it. [i](two different links)[/i] Psalms 69:15 Don't let the floods overwhelm me, [url=http://halocinema.bungie.org/halo2/17_middle_of_something_sm.wmv] or the deep waters swallow me,[/url] [url=http://halocinema.bungie.org/halo2/21_familiar_feeling_sm.wmv]or the pit of death devour me.[/url]

hmm...very interesting.............what a very religous background on a game like this.....I guess its what makes it so great.

In response to the "is all sin equal or not?" question, I may have an answer for this. I myself am Catholic, so I pray no one takes offense when I say that Catholicism basically believes in "mortal sin" (ie : -blam!-, murder, french kissing, blasphemy), (oh ya im not even kidding about rhe french kissing thing a lot of my friends think its a mortal sin, aka, you do it and die before you can confess, you go to hell). So the Catholics, (to the best of mY knowledge), do NOT consider all sin equal. However I do know that many see God as seeing all sin as equal, and therefore no matter what, a return in mind and heart to him, confessed or not, and repenting for sins is enough to wash them away clean. I personally have no opinion on the matter, and if I said something wrong or offensive in this post, please let me know, because I mean no harm to any.