Havnt read Everyones post but looked at the most part and i do agree... MLG failed misserably with this ladder, not only are you forced to play many different game types like oddball, capture the flag, amongst others instead of just a plain old slayer set up, they also take out everything that makes it a game, the BR start is just retarded... they'res enough around the god damn map go pick one up if you have a -blam!- fetish to rub it against your groin... no vehicals... not to sure what to think... has its good side, but also takes the skill of people who can use them effectivly (not me im crap on um) the only ruling i agree on is the no radar to stop the n00bs who cant do anything but sit and wait with an energy sword for people to come to them instead. we had a match otherday and after 1st round i just walked out cause i was so disapointed in how they'd screwed up so badly. MLG... please get a clue Edit: And on not of the BR, yes it does require skill, and some people are great with it, but forcing everyone to use it just for the people who played halo2 is just stupid. why don't we all just use sniper rifles only with inf ammo? that way you only have 1 chance and you have to strategicly avoid the enemys. will this idea be used? no, why? cause like the battle rifles only ruling its stupid all weapons take skill, but finding routes to the set points for weapons and grabing them to take out your opponant is even more skill, like someone else said, halo3 is supposed to be more of a stratagy game than just a who can line up the headshot 1st game [Edited on 10.18.2007 2:35 PM PDT]

BR starts are cool, but there's no reason to take everything else out of the game...

[quote]MLG haters suck. They rely on their rocket launchers. They can't win with anything else.[/quote] You think that because there are multiple rockets in every map ? If your comment is true, then how come everyone doesn't have the most kills with rocket launchers ? The game is insanely balanced, and all MLG people are doing is ruining everything that Halo 3 is.

Wow im glad you came in here thinking it was a competition to see who can win an arguement, thats very mature. No matter how much you guys hate mlg settings or br starts its will always be that way because the battle rifle promotes teamwork and is a well rounded skillful weapon. I dont doubt that all of you guys are skilled players but that doesnt mean you know how to make a game for professional play, with that being said i sugest you just leave it to the professionals i.e mlg staff.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] USAFAirman [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eight Bit So I have been playing with people who do MLG sets, and I have to say, ARE YOU FRICKIN KIDDIN ME !? BR starts with no equipment on the map or any weapons other than Shotgun, AR, BR, Snipe ? Are you serious ? Just when I thought MLG was for the hardcore gamers they take out 80% of what Halo 3 is. If they want those settings so bad, just go back and play Halo 2. Seriously, it's called Major League Gaming, not "Take everything out of the game so you feel more comfortable that you won't get shot in the face with a mauler." This is my opinion, so if you want to flame, go ahead. Seriously though, stop ruining the game with your noobish game settings. I know most will say "well then don't play MLG." Well you're right, but when people claim that BR starts are what MLG is all about, it saddens me. I mean, do you seriously think that changing the weapon start from AR to BR and taking out equipment is "1337" ? Not at all. Playing the game how it's supposed to be played is the real MLG. Another thing that just hit me. Are people that bad when they have to rely on BR starts cuz they can't throw a good grenade and finish them off with AR ? Please people, get it together.[/quote] Well, first of all: Yeah, don't play if you don't like it. And secondly, those are the 1337 weapons that require the most skill... excluding the shotty, I'm not sure why that was in there. Halo 3, the way it was made, was made to be friendly to ALL players... this includes extremely less skilled players, such as yourself. So by eliminating all of these user friendly weapons and allowing you to start with the MLG weapon of choice "BR" then it's straight to war and none of that running around corners and getting noobed by a damn camping mauler. And you say they do that because they are too unskilled with AR and nades... wow dude! You've got a LOT to learn. These guys "I'm talking about MLG players, not just the people who play MLG playsets" have amazing accuracy with EVERY weapon. Go to halo-pro.com and watch some of the halo 3 videos there. It's not all BR, there is everything. So if your gonna talk about MLG players at least get your facts straight. They don't play like that because they can't compete "the way the game was intended", they play like that because they enjoy the speed. ALSO: the game was "INTENDED" to be fully customizable to suit your playing style... so don't play MLG if you can't hack it and it frustrates you too much.[/quote] So your telling me the bubble shield takes no skill to use? Power drain, regen? Each requires timing and [i]thought[/i] in order to be effective. A regen too early merely provides your enemies with a safe shelter of healing. I won't explain why every weapon in Halo takes skill, but I will explain what kind of skill MLG playsets require. MLG is about [i]aiming[/i], or who can aim faster and better. Halo 3 (versus halo 2) requires more intelligent playing...strategy and cooperation are more beneficial. Halo 2 was more of an "aiming" game. The BR, AR, Snipe, Shotgun are about aiming. It doesn't take intelligence to start a BR battle and out BR your opponent. It takes talent and skill, but not smart playing. Leaving only 4 weapons on a map takes away the "smartness" that halo 3 has added. Now, what 2 weapons you should hold is an easy choice. Whereas with more weapons on the map, each weapon holds strategic advantage over other weapons. Thus choosing your weapons becomes a strategic and thoughtful choice. The other strategic choice is when to use those weapons. Take the needler. It is immensely powerful in very certain situations, but if you pull it out close range on an opponent, you might as be shooting green beans at your opponent. Thats why MLG eliminates thought and smart playing from the halo equation. And yes, MLG should listen to us. Without us, the gamers, they're would be no MLG.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bumzors You guys need to chill out. It's only version 1 of the settings. I'm sure once the competitive aspects of some of the equipment is tested, they will make appearances. However, MLG maps do have more than just a hand full of weapons. So far I've seen, AR, BR, Carbine, Rockets, Sniper, Shotgun, Sword, Pistol, and Brute Shot. The main reason weapons like the mauler and SMG and guns along those lines were removed is because they really don't showcase skill. It doesn't take much know how to jam down on a trigger and point it in someone's general direction. It does, however, take skill to 4 shot an opponent with reduced auto aim. To the argument that the AR is a fine starting weapon, I have to disagree. Mainly, the BR start is there to give people a chance when they spawn against a team that has map control. It would be tough to kill a guy with sniper when you spawn with AR. I'm not saying the AR doesn't have it's place in the game. It certainly is a balanced weapon in my eyes and I think is worthy of placement on maps, but to start with it would break the fair play of the game. With a BR against a power weapon, you still have a chance. Without a BR start, the game would essentially be decided by who gets to the power weapons first. To the argument that "MLG players can only use the BR to get kills, they are untalented in all other areas of the game" FALSE. Check my stats. If I'm not mistaken, I have many more kills with the AR than the BR. I like to think my kills are pretty varied. Finally, I'm sorry that you guys do not appreciate the competitive, fair aspect of MLG. But no one is forcing you to play it. If you enjoy AR starts (nothing wrong with that, I just think it doesn't showcase skill as much as a weapon that requires precision accuracy and is capable of headshots), matchmaking has hundreds of thousands of players on at any time in any one playlist (except maybe Team Objective). If you balance a map by giving both teams equal opportunities at weapons, it forces skill, not luck, to be the ultimate determiner of the winner and loser of the game[/quote] Wow a reasonable post with points to back up his argument . . . no flames . . . hey buddy are you sure your in the right place? I thought people were in this thread to only flame anyone who won't agree with their close minded opinion or say "my stats are better then yours, so you lose your argument". Well said sir.

MLG haters suck. They rely on their rocket launchers. They can't win with anything else. Like seriously. Get some -blam!- skill and learn how to use a BR, noobs.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eight Bit So I have been playing with people who do MLG sets, and I have to say, ARE YOU FRICKIN KIDDIN ME !? BR starts with no equipment on the map or any weapons other than Shotgun, AR, BR, Snipe ? Are you serious ? Just when I thought MLG was for the hardcore gamers they take out 80% of what Halo 3 is. If they want those settings so bad, just go back and play Halo 2. Seriously, it's called Major League Gaming, not "Take everything out of the game so you feel more comfortable that you won't get shot in the face with a mauler." This is my opinion, so if you want to flame, go ahead. Seriously though, stop ruining the game with your noobish game settings. I know most will say "well then don't play MLG." Well you're right, but when people claim that BR starts are what MLG is all about, it saddens me. I mean, do you seriously think that changing the weapon start from AR to BR and taking out equipment is "1337" ? Not at all. Playing the game how it's supposed to be played is the real MLG. Another thing that just hit me. Are people that bad when they have to rely on BR starts cuz they can't throw a good grenade and finish them off with AR ? Please people, get it together.[/quote] No intelligent human being on this forum would flame you You speak the truth we all think in our heads!!!!

[quote]Stop being ignorant. The only thing in this topic are opinions. You didn't win anything.[/quote] Yeah, agreed ... sorry. It got to my head. They are opinions and we'll all think what we want. But I truly think that MLG sets for Halo 3 is just so bad, that it makes me wonder if they are trying to make it like Halo 1. (I love Halo 1 btw)

[quote]Right now it just seems like MLG is trying to make Halo 3 more like Halo 2, and this is a poor decision. Also, bumping up the movement speed to 110% is completely assinine.[/quote] It's funny you mention that. MLG had BR starts for Halo 2 because smg starts were worthless. I did like that BR starts for Halo 2, but at the same time that doesn't mean I like MLG settings. They are absolutely murdering Halo 3 with their bare naked settings. I didn't even know the speed was 110%, if that's true this discussion is done, and the outcome is that MLG is terrible with settings.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] militaryguns You know we won right? MLG posters 0 Us 1[/quote] and yes it seems as though you won, but look at it. you had to struggle to get your arguments accross on a bnet forum, but try doing this on the mlg forums.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eight Bit [quote]You know we won right? MLG posters 0 Us 1[/quote] Yeah, they can't stand facts. Sad, really...[/quote] Stop being ignorant. The only thing in this topic are opinions. You didn't win anything.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eight Bit [quote]LOL YOU SAID THE SPAWNING IN HALO 3 IS BETTER.[/quote] I'm sorry you think that spawning isn't good in Halo 3, cuz it is. Spawn camping is nearly possible. Example: Isolation. If a team is controlling the top with BR or whatever they are using (the team spawns on either side of them with BR's near the spawns. If a team were to move closer to the spawning area to spawn camp, then the team would spawn on the other side. I know there's been a time playing a couple maps where I've spawned behind or near the other team when they were trying to spawn camp. Seriously, Halo 3 spawning is great. I love it.[/quote] Check out my fileshare. Spawnzlol.

i never played in a mlg tornement so i wouldn't know.

Right now it just seems like MLG is trying to make Halo 3 more like Halo 2, and this is a poor decision. Also, bumping up the movement speed to 110% is completely assinine.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] militaryguns No, Halo 3 didn't catter to noob players with the AR. The AR takes more skill to use then the SMG, isn't a NOOB weapon and gives you a chance against BR and what not. They deffinatly didn't have Noobs in mind by taking Auto AIm off either.[/quote] Lol, keep posting. Actually the smg takes more skill than the ar. yea they lowered the aa, but gave you a starting weapon that doesn't need it, i mean come on if you cant hit something with that big ass reticule you might as well quit playing. and do you see what we have here? basically default h3 is turning into an mlg setting h3 but catered to the noobs. yea mlg may only have br, snipes, plasma rifles/pistols, shotgun, pistol, rockets, but how is this any different from default h3? No one really picks up smg's bc they have the ar, and most of the maps are somewhat small so what is the point of a br if the ar will win? just look at the weapons and compare them to the others and you will get an mlg catered to noobs. PLz everyone look at your career stats and see if I'm wrong. p.s melees basically count as ar usage.

[quote]You know we won right? MLG posters 0 Us 1[/quote] Yeah, they can't stand facts. Sad, really... [Edited on 10.18.2007 2:19 PM PDT]

MLG = Lame

You know we won right? MLG posters 0 Us 1

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xJARED cry cuz ur bad [/quote] How do you find the time between that 7 hours you play a day to post here?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Yelnik EH So what do you want? People in MLG running around with dual maulers, spikers, and brute shots? BR is used for a reason, other than sniping, it takes the most skill.[/quote] No, I want them to be the people they say they are and actually adapt to what they are given.

[quote]cry cuz ur bad[/quote] Who is this towards ?

Yes that was a very useful statement to make. Can we get back to a real arguement?

cry cuz ur bad

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cowleyad [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HaVOk1228 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cowleyad [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Laughtrey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cowleyad [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Laughtrey I actually wouldnt be surprised to see lifts, bubble shields and power drains all over the maps once they get out finalized versions, but things like regen and flare and just downright retarded.[/quote] Retarded how?[/quote] I played a isolation MM game last night where the other team had regens every time they respawned. They didn't get map control back or killed us, we just had to toss all our grenades at guys that were standing still.[/quote] ...And? What does that have to do with the Flare and Regenerator being retarded? I think they're pretty bad ass when you use them the right way. Makes the game more tactical.[/quote] Oh, so spawning near it on Iso, then dropping it when you get flanked, allowing you to turn around and take your sweet ass time killing someone because your health is constantly coming back, is tactical? Sounds to me like some equipment just saved you from being a stupid ass.[/quote] ...But an explosion from a grenade is totally tactical... Right... I'm sure Bungie put all the other stuff in the game for us "nubs" that don't really know how to play Halo. You sound like such an elitist moron right now.[/quote] MLG has never had good settings. All battle rifles? stupid. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eight Bit So I have been playing with people who do MLG sets, and I have to say, ARE YOU FRICKIN KIDDIN ME !? BR starts with no equipment on the map or any weapons other than Shotgun, AR, BR, Snipe ? Are you serious ? Just when I thought MLG was for the hardcore gamers they take out 80% of what Halo 3 is. If they want those settings so bad, just go back and play Halo 2. Seriously, it's called Major League Gaming, not "Take everything out of the game so you feel more comfortable that you won't get shot in the face with a mauler." This is my opinion, so if you want to flame, go ahead. Seriously though, stop ruining the game with your noobish game settings. I know most will say "well then don't play MLG." Well you're right, but when people claim that BR starts are what MLG is all about, it saddens me. I mean, do you seriously think that changing the weapon start from AR to BR and taking out equipment is "1337" ? Not at all. Playing the game how it's supposed to be played is the real MLG. Another thing that just hit me. Are people that bad when they have to rely on BR starts cuz they can't throw a good grenade and finish them off with AR ? Please people, get it together.[/quote] Like I said before MLG has terrible settings that support finding of glitches. not that I dont like glitches, just it causes more whining on the forums and more of me calling people dumbass, assclown, asshat, et cetera.

Hey Gzalzi, haven't seen you on to much Hit me up whenever you on I'll play with you. P.S. I'd keep talking but that's what PM's and Halo 3 are for ;)