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10/18/2007 9:16:20 PM
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MLG = Terrible Settings **Heated Debate**
So I have been playing with people who do MLG sets, and I have to say, ARE YOU FRICKIN KIDDIN ME !? BR starts with no equipment on the map or any weapons other than Shotgun, AR, BR, Snipe ? Are you serious ? Just when I thought MLG was for the hardcore gamers they take out 80% of what Halo 3 is. If they want those settings so bad, just go back and play Halo 2. Seriously, it's called Major League Gaming, not "Take everything out of the game so you feel more comfortable that you won't get shot in the face with a mauler."
This is my opinion, so if you want to flame, go ahead. Seriously though, stop ruining the game with your noobish game settings. I know most will say "well then don't play MLG." Well you're right, but when people claim that BR starts are what MLG is all about, it saddens me. I mean, do you seriously think that changing the weapon start from AR to BR and taking out equipment is "1337" ? Not at all. Playing the game how it's supposed to be played is the real MLG.
Another thing that just hit me. Are people that bad when they have to rely on BR starts cuz they can't throw a good grenade and finish them off with AR ? Please people, get it together.
[Edited on 10.18.2007 2:26 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KEVINBROCK Very true, but thats not something that the thousands of MLG players can control is it? If you want to play at MLG its going to have to be using their settings. There is nothing you or I can do about it. I dont like it any more than anyone else.[/quote] You know, the same thing can be said about MM, but I do recall you creating a rather large post to attempt to get MM changed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fxt_Redwolf [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Minou [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Polarwiseman IMO, if you want to be able to say you truely have skill at a game, then you need to know how to use everything, and counter everything, in it. You can't just remove half of the weapons (even if they actually are overpowered) and say 'Hey guys! I'm the best!'. Now yes, they may be good with the BR, but if you can't kill a dude with a mauler, or a Laser, or a Needler, or a hammer, or spikers, or...
then you aren't good at the game.[/quote]It's not hard to be good at the noob weapons that MLG tries to not put into their gametypes. Think about it for a second. They're noob weapons. They're gonna be easy to use, therefore I think we can all use them.[/quote] The BR [u]is[/u] a noob weapon. All you have to do is hit the other player 4 times. You don't have to worry about ammo usage, you don't have to worry about melee because you typically are too far away. How much more noob does it need to be? At least with the AR you need to get yourself in range, then you need to worry about grenades, and melees and the more important, ammo usage because if you MISS any shots you might run out of ammo. AR is the more skilled gun.[/quote] ....I really hope you were kidding. -
1. The settings are the first draft, and are purposely bare-bones, so they can carefully build up from there. And they will. 2. The only MLG games are custom games, which are entirely voluntary. You can play Halo for 20 years and never play MLG settings, so don't let it keep you up at night. 3. Why the anger and hostility? I mean how nerdy is it to hate someone for what types of settings they like? "Damn you and your rocket race you can burn in hell!!!" That's you people, that's what you sound like.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Minou As for the ignorance part, don't even start. Atheists shouldn't be allowed to use the word "ignorant".[/quote] I care not for your religious beliefs and you shouldn't state them in this thread. I'll use whatever words I please. Yes, they are Miniature Shotguns, but they are not everywhere. I have killed lots of people with maulers as well, it really isn't that hard. Team Tactical is a great playlist as well, too bad everyone hates it. Also, It's [i]Riddance[/i]. [Edited on 10.18.2007 2:55 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AkA CRiTiCaL [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KEVINBROCK [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Polarwiseman IMO, if you want to be able to say you truely have skill at a game, then you need to know how to use everything, and counter everything, in it. You can't just remove half of the weapons (even if they actually are overpowered) and say 'Hey guys! I'm the best!'. Now yes, they may be good with the BR, but if you can't kill a dude with a mauler, or a Laser, or a Needler, or a hammer, or spikers, or...
then you aren't good at the game.[/quote] People arent talking about being good at the game, just the MLG gametype. MLG is about balance as it always has been since the days of Halo: CE. MLG has never really been about duals (even though its had its share) and its never been about using every weapon that Bungie makes and diversity. Its about the mastery of a single, primary weapon that can be used in almost any situation (see: BR). I would have liked to have seen AR's and Spartan lasers or Maulers in MLG but apparently the testers didnt think they were appropriate yet. Once MLG figgures out whats best they will post updated gametypes.[/quote] The 'testers" is one guys sitting at his desk dictating how his MLG minions will play Halo 3.[/quote] Very true, but thats not something that the thousands of MLG players can control is it? If you want to play at MLG its going to have to be using their settings. There is nothing you or I can do about it. I dont like it any more than anyone else. -
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Minou [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Polarwiseman IMO, if you want to be able to say you truely have skill at a game, then you need to know how to use everything, and counter everything, in it. You can't just remove half of the weapons (even if they actually are overpowered) and say 'Hey guys! I'm the best!'. Now yes, they may be good with the BR, but if you can't kill a dude with a mauler, or a Laser, or a Needler, or a hammer, or spikers, or...
then you aren't good at the game.[/quote]It's not hard to be good at the noob weapons that MLG tries to not put into their gametypes. Think about it for a second. They're noob weapons. They're gonna be easy to use, therefore I think we can all use them.[/quote] The BR [u]is[/u] a noob weapon. All you have to do is hit the other player 4 times. You don't have to worry about ammo usage, you don't have to worry about melee because you typically are too far away. How much more noob does it need to be? At least with the AR you need to get yourself in range, then you need to worry about grenades, and melees and the more important, ammo usage because if you MISS any shots you might run out of ammo. AR is the more skilled gun. -
yes its harder to hit someone who is strafeing but crouching and strafeing are very effective when try to "dodge" your enemys shots in a br battle.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Minou [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Polarwiseman IMO, if you want to be able to say you truely have skill at a game, then you need to know how to use everything, and counter everything, in it. You can't just remove half of the weapons (even if they actually are overpowered) and say 'Hey guys! I'm the best!'. Now yes, they may be good with the BR, but if you can't kill a dude with a mauler, or a Laser, or a Needler, or a hammer, or spikers, or...
then you aren't good at the game.[/quote]It's not hard to be good at the noob weapons that MLG tries to not put into their gametypes. Think about it for a second. They're noob weapons. They're gonna be easy to use, therefore I think we can all use them.[/quote] Using those weapons isnt the issue either. Wether you think the BR is "noob" or not is your opinion but your skill or lack thereof is far from the point of MLG. MLG is about teamwork, communication, discipline and the overall knowledge of the gametype. MLG players more often than not love TS and objective gametypes in matchmaking, but they are also good at MLG and thats their prefered gametype. DO NOT get it confused and think that just because people play MLG that they suck at everything else. -
Agreed, nice sum up critical as always.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KEVINBROCK [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Polarwiseman IMO, if you want to be able to say you truely have skill at a game, then you need to know how to use everything, and counter everything, in it. You can't just remove half of the weapons (even if they actually are overpowered) and say 'Hey guys! I'm the best!'. Now yes, they may be good with the BR, but if you can't kill a dude with a mauler, or a Laser, or a Needler, or a hammer, or spikers, or...
then you aren't good at the game.[/quote] People arent talking about being good at the game, just the MLG gametype. MLG is about balance as it always has been since the days of Halo: CE. MLG has never really been about duals (even though its had its share) and its never been about using every weapon that Bungie makes and diversity. Its about the mastery of a single, primary weapon that can be used in almost any situation (see: BR). I would have liked to have seen AR's and Spartan lasers or Maulers in MLG but apparently the testers didnt think they were appropriate yet. Once MLG figgures out whats best they will post updated gametypes.[/quote] The 'testers" is one guys sitting at his desk dictating how his MLG minions will play Halo 3. -
im leaving this thread now. "good riddens" yeah your cool now, aren't you. Feel like a man yet? ^ Improvised since im sure one of you will probably say something like that...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Satanic Bunny89 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XxGamble [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eight Bit [quote]the battle rifle promotes teamwork and is a well rounded skillful weapon[/quote] So you're saying that the BR start gives the whole team inspiration to work well with each other ? Hmm. To use the word "professional" is hilarious. Why are they called pros ? Because they take 80% out of the game, start everyone with BRs, no equipment, and play for cash ? That to me tells me that professional sounds more like a load of crap. If they were really "PRO" they'd keep default sets. 'Nuff said.[/quote] eight bit, what the -blam!- are you arguing about. is everyone on these forums this dense? Look at your career stats and tell me what your most used weapons are, what do you see? you see mlg weapons. Now plz stop being so dense and making excuses and lets start being truthful. You are just bad with a br, so if you start of with a br and battle another person with a br you will lose bc your bad with it on a equal base. EVERYONE LOOK AT YOUR CAREER STATS AND STOP BEING DENSE, YOUR COMPLAINING ABOUT NOTHING ALL YOUR DOING IS FOLLOWING THE CROWD.[/quote] /thread[/quote] It doesn't matter what your weapon of destruction is. Mine is a battle rifle too, yet I prefer AR starts. If you want everything to be perfectly even then why don't you throw us into a map with two players, 2 battle rifles make sure there is no objects on the map and make sure it’s a perfectly flat surface because that would show who's the best. The fact is that would be boring as hell. That’s how I feel about the current MLG settings. [Edited on 10.18.2007 2:53 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Polarwiseman IMO, if you want to be able to say you truely have skill at a game, then you need to know how to use everything, and counter everything, in it. You can't just remove half of the weapons (even if they actually are overpowered) and say 'Hey guys! I'm the best!'. Now yes, they may be good with the BR, but if you can't kill a dude with a mauler, or a Laser, or a Needler, or a hammer, or spikers, or...
then you aren't good at the game.[/quote] People arent talking about being good at the game, just the MLG gametype. MLG is about balance as it always has been since the days of Halo: CE. MLG has never really been about duals (even though its had its share) and its never been about using every weapon that Bungie makes and diversity. Its about the mastery of a single, primary weapon that can be used in almost any situation (see: BR). I would have liked to have seen AR's and Spartan lasers or Maulers in MLG but apparently the testers didnt think they were appropriate yet. Once MLG figgures out whats best they will post updated gametypes. -
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Polarwiseman IMO, if you want to be able to say you truely have skill at a game, then you need to know how to use everything, and counter everything, in it. You can't just remove half of the weapons (even if they actually are overpowered) and say 'Hey guys! I'm the best!'. Now yes, they may be good with the BR, but if you can't kill a dude with a mauler, or a Laser, or a Needler, or a hammer, or spikers, or...
then you aren't good at the game.[/quote]It's not hard to be good at the noob weapons that MLG tries to not put into their gametypes. Think about it for a second. They're noob weapons. They're gonna be easy to use, therefore I think we can all use them. -
I personally hated starting with an SMG in Halo2. It was "hey, lets get killed from medium distance by someone with a better weapon!" Every custom I made was either fiesta-esque or BR primary. Halo3 = Ar = you CAN kill someone without trading weapons. The melee system does need tweaked. Personally, I don't want to play a BR match on Guardian. Not on epitaph. Essentially, BR for all eliminates all short range weapons on any medium-extra large map. (essentially, they can only be used for camping.) This lessens the weakness of BR. (Grenades, shotguns, close combat) Therefore, TADA! JO NOUBLETS NEED TO PWN WITH DA BR! Because YOU HAVE TO PLAY WITH BR to stand a chance at medium range! Halo3 has weapon sets that will dominate different scenarios for a reason. It mixes play up. (Which, from the little experience with MLG that I have had, is not something they like, as a general whole.) The reason Guardian is shotgun prone is because it is the most logical pick for such a map. AR tends to dominate epitaph. BR tends to dominate sandtrap, and Valhalla. Isolation is fairly split. etc. [Edited on 10.18.2007 2:50 PM PDT]
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Umm... no it's not.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gzalzi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Minou They're not limited to rocket launchers... Every single map has at least like 3 noob weapons etc, and some of them have like, 6 or 7. Maulers are a joke. I mean wow. Theres too many of them and they're too powerful. Yeah I use them but only because if I don't I'll get owned, but that doesn't mean that I want them on the map.[/quote] [i]Noobs[/i] weapons you say? All I hear is ignoreance. Also, I have not seen a map with more then 4 Maulers. Maulers are a great weapon. You just say they are [i]noob[/i] weapons 'cause you can't think of a tactical way to beat them. Tactics are True Skill.[/quote]I say they're noob weapons because they're everywhere and they're miniature shotguns. Don't -blam!- tell me what I can and can't do because I've killed lots of people with maulers. I agree, tactics are true skill. I'd play team objective all the time if I wasn't always paired up with newbs and idiots. As for the ignorance part, don't even start. Atheists shouldn't be allowed to use the word "ignorant".
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lol strafeing is more effective now with the less auto aim and the bullet spread on the br.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KEVINBROCK [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HaVOk1228 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sphincter218 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HaVOk1228 Power weapons don't spawn until they are out of ammo(the Halo2 system). [/quote] if you think that the halo 2 system means that they dont spawn until out of ammo, you need to go play Ascension, get rockets and the banshee. about a minute later you will be getting a rocket shot right at you.[/quote] Not all maps used that system. Ascension and Ivory tower were two exceptions. But a majority of the time, that is how they worked. But it doesn't matter, that's not what I'm arguing. you know what I meant obviously.[/quote] Dont listen to Havok1228, he is horrible anyway. Bottom line, Those are MLG's first published settings for Halo 3. They will be putting more updated versions with different gametypes and weapons out as soon as they can figgure the balance issues out. I was a little upset about the "lack" of weapons on the map also and I would have prefered that they add a little more speed to the spartan as well as more damage from weapons but I realize that its just a rough draft of settings thats out now. It is no different from the H3 beta that was out, they will constantly be testing different things to see whats best.[/quote] Psssh, you couldn't even BR in halo2, I'd be amazed if you can 8 shot in 3.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] militaryguns That's the thing, strafeing has become less effective without the Holy Auto Aim so now they complain. The BR takes more skill to use now, deal with it.[/quote] Exactly. And i love how all these MLG fanboys are like "d00d! J00 NEED 2 LOOK 4T JUR CAR33R STATS!" The stats are cool, but practically worthless. And MLGers should realize this. They don't reflect the difference between slayer or objective games, and if I'm running the flag or the bomb, I'm probably gonna go negative.
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IMO, if you want to be able to say you truely have skill at a game, then you need to know how to use everything, and counter everything, in it. You can't just remove half of the weapons (even if they actually are overpowered) and say 'Hey guys! I'm the best!'. Now yes, they may be good with the BR, but if you can't kill a dude with a mauler, or a Laser, or a Needler, or a hammer, or spikers, or...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Minou They're not limited to rocket launchers... Every single map has at least like 3 noob weapons etc, and some of them have like, 6 or 7. Maulers are a joke. I mean wow. Theres too many of them and they're too powerful. Yeah I use them but only because if I don't I'll get owned, but that doesn't mean that I want them on the map.[/quote] [i]Noobs[/i] weapons you say? All I hear is ignorance. Also, I have not seen a map with more then 4 Maulers(only one map with that), the second most is 2 Maulers on a map. Maulers are a great weapon. You just say they are [i]noob[/i] weapons 'cause you can't think of a tactical way to beat them. Tactics are True Skill. [Edited on 10.18.2007 2:45 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HaVOk1228 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sphincter218 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HaVOk1228 Power weapons don't spawn until they are out of ammo(the Halo2 system). [/quote] if you think that the halo 2 system means that they dont spawn until out of ammo, you need to go play Ascension, get rockets and the banshee. about a minute later you will be getting a rocket shot right at you.[/quote] Not all maps used that system. Ascension and Ivory tower were two exceptions. But a majority of the time, that is how they worked. But it doesn't matter, that's not what I'm arguing. you know what I meant obviously.[/quote] Dont listen to Havok1228, he is horrible anyway. Bottom line, Those are MLG's first published settings for Halo 3. They will be putting more updated versions with different gametypes and weapons out as soon as they can figgure the balance issues out. I was a little upset about the "lack" of weapons on the map also and I would have prefered that they add a little more speed to the spartan as well as more damage from weapons but I realize that its just a rough draft of settings thats out now. It is no different from the H3 beta that was out, they will constantly be testing different things to see whats best.
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Eight im sorry but your obivously a mlg hater so i doubt theres anything anyone can say to change your mind, which is sad that your so narrow minded. There pro cause they make money playing the game its there profession, you know what they do for a living. Do i need to explain that part anymore? While bungie is great at making games there not great at making a game that is competitive right outta the box. Most other games that are played on a professional level has different settings then default. If you think that theres restrictions on some of the stuff on halo go play rainbow 6 competitivly, theres more weapons you cant use than you can.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XxGamble [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eight Bit [quote]the battle rifle promotes teamwork and is a well rounded skillful weapon[/quote] So you're saying that the BR start gives the whole team inspiration to work well with each other ? Hmm. To use the word "professional" is hilarious. Why are they called pros ? Because they take 80% out of the game, start everyone with BRs, no equipment, and play for cash ? That to me tells me that professional sounds more like a load of crap. If they were really "PRO" they'd keep default sets. 'Nuff said.[/quote] eight bit, what the -blam!- are you arguing about. is everyone on these forums this dense? Look at your career stats and tell me what your most used weapons are, what do you see? you see mlg weapons. Now plz stop being so dense and making excuses and lets start being truthful. You are just bad with a br, so if you start of with a br and battle another person with a br you will lose bc your bad with it on a equal base. EVERYONE LOOK AT YOUR CAREER STATS AND STOP BEING DENSE, YOUR COMPLAINING ABOUT NOTHING ALL YOUR DOING IS FOLLOWING THE CROWD.[/quote] /thread
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eight Bit [quote]Let me whore you with the rocket launcher for an entire game, spawn killing you then going back to the rocket launcher spawn for ammo, then spawn killing you more and gettting my buddies to corpse hump you and hire some little kids to call you names, and then tell me that you want default spawns.[/quote] Wow, that's awesome, VID ? /sarcasm Listen man. If you're telling me that you know every spawn at every second and when they will spawn there, then good for you. Seriously though, lets not exaggerate.[/quote]Are you -blam!- kidding me? You've NEVER had that happen to you? Wow now I KNOW for SURE that you are a -blam!- noob who has no idea what he's talking about because of his lack of experience in Halo.
