First off I would like to say I honestly don’t care about this specific situation as it does not affect me personally. And, the only reason I am responding to this thread is because I am extremely board and feel like being intentionally ornery. With that being said I will now give my 2 cents worth. Just for the hell of it. Now, I don’t personally know a lot about Gilbert Arenas. I am not a basketball fan and don’t really even like the game in general. It is very possible that Gilbert Arenas may be a great basketball player and even a great guy in real life. But that is not the question or the point in any way. The question is “Did He Cheat?” And the answer, according to Bungie and all of the Gilbert Arenas fans out there, is No. Do I agree with their answer? No. This may be hard for a lot of people to understand or believe, based on their personal definition of the words “Cheat”, “Cheating” and “Cheated” but the actual definition of the words “Cheat”, “Cheating” and “Cheated” are: “To deceive, or deprive, by trickery” and “To mislead, fool, or to act dishonestly.” Based on the actual definition on the words “Cheat”, “Cheating” and “Cheated” it sounds to me like Gilbert Arenas did, in fact, cheat in regards to the game of Halo 3 and the Experience earning system. At one point He says, “They’re calling me a cheater for somebody giving me wins all day but they should be calling him the cheater for disgracing the integrity of the game. I didn’t make him do it, I didn’t ask for it. There’s been thousands of kids who have lost to me. Most of the time it was because of my talent, the other ones were because I said I’d give them a jersey!” Now if I am reading this right, and I believe I am, it kind of sounds like he is even bribing people to lose games to him. It also sounds like He is saying that they, Him and his friends, are set up games to plan the winner. Well if that is the case, and obviously it is, that brings up the fact that the games are “rigged”. I would like to ask this question: If someone is “rigging” a game, regardless of it is Baseball, Football, Baseball, Racing or Halo 3 and regardless of the talent level such as College, Pro, Semi-Pro or even just casual friendly, isn’t that cheating? Again, I am in no way a basketball buff, nor do I know all the rules. But, I am pretty sure that there is something in the NBA rule book, for example, saying that if one team or player/coach/referee purposely loses a game because of agreed upon terms set up with another team or entity; that is against the rules and considered CHEATING. To me personally, the experience points that are gained in Halo 3 are not about winning and losing, that is what the ranking system and matchmaking is for. Experience points are just a depiction of the time spent enjoying the multiplayer aspect of Halo 3, ranked or not. If someone wants to boost there way up the experience ladder by playing 2v2 games with friends who quit, what ever that is there choice and it doesn’t affect me. Also if someone wants to climb the Ranking ladder by playing ranked team slayer matches with some of the best players in the world, so be it let them do that. The game type is meant to have the best team not just individual players. But, if I see someone who has a lot of EXP and only 1 or no rankings that are very high then I will not be too intimidated as it would then seem like they need others to support them. While on the contrary, if I come across a player that has multiple ranks that are high in multiple different game types, I am almost willing to guess they are a great player and will probably have a lot of earned EXP. Sorry for the length but I got a little carried away and thank you for your time.

I'm still waiting for Bungie to either 1) radically change or 2) scrap the current EXP system. Either that, or start banning. I would pay $$$ GOOD money $$$ to see Arenas play MC 187 in a legit game, but there'd be no way to tell who was really playing from Gilbert's end (his 42 probably isn't legit, either, given the conflict between game/practice times and his Halo games).

FAIL. At life. (The basketball failure)

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o yea and y dont u not write so much next time, i cant believe i actually read all that wow

why dont u get the little eagle thing legit

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He's a big fat cheater cat.

i dont really think he did anything wrong

How sad. Your justifying boosting? Come on. You should only get a patch for exp if you deserve it and you have put in the appropriate time. Boosting doesnt hurt anyone else (your right about that) but it does reflect badly on your character. Your supposed to be a role model. You should be ashamed. Put in the hours and get your exp legitimately. Achieving colonel or brigadier is meaningless if you boost. gt is natethedarkjedi if you want to talk further ( i have no doubts you could beat me in game) but i think you should not justify boosting. Its almost as bad as cheating.

Im going to go out on a leg and say that Tones is someone who is either related to Gilbert or a diehard fan... Who else would make a meaningless post? lol.

WALL... OF... TEXT... Burns my EYES.

This is like in Mario Brothers where if you jumped on a shell and hit it against the stairs and as long as you time it right, you keep getting the 1 UP and have infinity lives. Same thing with Contra. You do the up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right and now you have the infinity ammo and infinity lives. That’s cheating. But if I’m playing Streetfighter, and he lets me win, why is that considered cheating? You should be mad at that kid for giving me the victory. Don’t be mad at me for accepting the victory. What should I be like, “I know you lost, but I’m not going to take this win, sorry.” Last year when I played NBA LIVE online and was 117-15. Sure, 80 of the wins were against my friend, but hey, he’s easy. It wasn’t about skills, it was for show. When somebody wanted to play me, they would see my 117-15 record and automatically think I was good (which I was), but it was the point that it intimidated them. The same thing with the eagle thing in Halo 3. If you see that eagle on your screen when you’re going to play me, you’re automatically going to think I’m good. All that happened was that I went from a single major to a double major because he said he’d lose 100 games to me. Know what was funny, I got all my Halo friends together and we challenged all the kids that were telling me I was sorry, and that I suck and that I’m a cheater and we played a game against them. My team was called the “Bad Guys” because apparently I’m the bad guy for accepting wins from somebody. So we played my haters last night and they got destroyed. Oh man, they got destroyed. Half the kids, they’re not even mad. At first I got so many messages that were angry. One kid was like, “You’re a disgrace to Halo.” He said, “People like you make it hard for people like us to get better because we sit here for six hours a day playing this to get better.” I was like, “That sounds fun. I don’t mean to be the bad guy here, but, I play 14 hours a day. Regularly. I know the rules and what cheating is. What I’m doing is not cheating.” At the end of the day I’m still ranked in the top 30 in the world, even without the experience. Go check the leaderboard. That’s all my skill. The leaderboard doesn’t have anything to do with experience points, it just has to do with experience. Microsoft must have sold millions of copies of Halo and I’m still ranked No. 30 in the world. My swag is phenomenal right now, remember that. Like Kanye said, “You can’t tell tell me nothing, riiighhht.” To my favorite haters -- Biggs V2 and Hellhogace -- I’m ranked even without the so-called “cheating.” And MC187, you get the bonus prize. This is your five days of fame. PTI picked it up and now I'm mentioning you in my blog. This is the only way you're going to get famous because it's not going to be through Halo. I looked at your rank, you aren't very good. You might not be skilled at the game, but I know what your skill is -- looking at everybody else's accounts to see who's cheating. So keep it up baby, I'm rooting for you. One more thing, a big thanks to Aircalbev for supporting me in this time of tragedy on the Bungie message board of hatred towards Agent Arenas. I also want to give a shout out to some of my fallen solidiers - Cashis Clayis and Baby Jesus - for helping through these turbulent times and I would like to thank God for giving me the man power and the heart and mind to stay up and keep playing Halo to the best of my ability. Now I got to do the "Marion Jones" thing: Sorry to all my friends and family who believed in me. I disgraced my Halo friends' names. LOL. I'm a beast in Halo 3. P.S. I am teaching "cheating" lessons at 12 midnight, every night on how to be a professional cheater on Halo. I'm just kidding, I shouldn't have said that, A Side Note from Myself (2Tones): This For all you haters ...and please Gilbert on Steroids??? yeah he defintely looks like he belongs on WWE all sauced up NOT you pencil necks need to get back to something called living a life and forget your lil' dwarf fantasies for real.... let's Grow up seriously...it's a Game.

Don't Call me a "Cheater" Something like 500 websites are calling me a cheater, and they don’t know what cheating is. Let’s break down the word “cheating” in video games. Then I’m going to break down glitches and then just great fans. Cheating: In Halo 2 what cheating was, it was called “modding.” That means you do a modification to your XBox, you create your own Halo 2, you get online and then you just destroy everybody so you can get your rank up. But you didn’t really get your rank up because Bungie kicks you off, so you got your friends’ ranks up. Anybody who got in a party with the “modder” had their ranks up because the “modder” is going to win every game. Or, you can do what everybody else has been doing to cheat: “stand-bying.” What “stand-bying” is involves one of these little computer guys is sitting there slowing down everybody else’s modems and putting you to blue screen or black screen (when you go to blue screen or black screen you can’t see anything that’s happening in the game and you think there’s a delay in the game) and in the mean time they’re going around killing you. Or, they’ll just “lag” you out of a game. Somehow they just intercept your connection and “lag” you out. That’s cheating. For basketball video games, cheating is when somebody goes to a bookstore and buys a book on cheat codes and they put the little cheat codes in and all of the sudden they can steal every pass and make every shot and do all that stuff. For football video games, I don’t know what cheating is because I don’t play them. Glitches: There are glitches in Halo. You can super bounce and you can double shot. In basketball video games, back in 2005 there was some glitch where you could put a full-court press on and you set right in front of the guy who was taking the ball out of bounds and every time he tried to make the pass, it got stolen. The team inbounding the ball couldn’t even get past half court. It’s called a glitch. As for a glitch in football video games, I don’t know because I don’t play. The glitch in Halo 3 isn’t a real glitch like in the basketball game, it’s a glitch in the system. Good fans: There’s this thing called experience points. You get experience points for winning games. Before anybody knew about winning social games, they played ranked games. You play ranked games to get your medals up. Then one day I came across a guy who had an eagle by his Halo profile and he only had 50 ranked games. I was like, “Wait I minute, I have 178 ranked games, I don’t have an eagle!” But this guy had 550 social games won, so I’m like, “What the hell is a social game?” So I go to him, “I’ll give you a jersey if you tell me what you’re doing.” He said “OK” and he explained it to me. He said, “You play social games and you get the points too.” So I said, “Social games are matched?” And he said, “No, social games are not matched.” “So you can win a social game, which is not ranked, and get the points still?” “Yeah. What I do is just play two-on-two with my friends and they just lose to me and it gets my experience points up.” “That’s it?” “Yeah.” “Allllllllllllll right!” So I play Halo with a whole bunch of kids online and my one friend said that if I really wanted the eagle that he would lose all the games to me, because he didn’t really care. He said, “I don’t care about experience points because at the end of the day, I’m still good.” So how is that cheating? I still don’t understand it. So for all the Halo people who don’t understand what I’m talking about, this is just like if you were playing Madden online and you find a kid you can beat down on and you keep sending him challenges so you can get wins. It’s the same thing. Or in basketball games, if you’re playing somebody online and beat him by 30 points and he says, “Rematch?” and you say, “OK!” you already know you can beat him, so you play him again just so you can get your points up and your rank up. That’s all that is. So let me explain this eagle thing I wanted. It’s an honor. It’s a little patch that goes onto a shirt. It has nothing to do with your skill level. Whatever your skill level is – 32 or 50 or five – that’s what you are. Your experience points are just about the games you won. The guy who taught me the trick played only like 50 ranked games and 550 social games. I have a level 42 for ranked games. I have to play ranked games against ranked people to get better. Nobody is going to help me win there, because it’s a ranked game and nobody wants to lose a ranked game. But a social game doesn’t affect your rank. So when you have a major, a double major or a triple major or a burger dot (or whatever they call that eagle thing), all it is is for show. So when I go into a match and my opponent sees that eagle, they’ll be like, “Dang, you play a lot.” That’s all that means. They’re not going to say, “Dang, you’re good!” They’re going to say, “Dang, you play a lot.” At the end of the day they look at your rank to see how good you are. Your major is just for show. So if you have an eagle and only have won like 10 ranked games, they’re going to be like, “Man, you’re garbage.” They’re calling me a cheater for somebody giving me wins all day but they should be calling him the cheater for disgracing the integrity of the game. I didn’t make him do it, I didn’t ask for it. There’s been thousands of kids who have lost to me. Most of the time it was because of my talent, the other ones were because I said I’d give them a jersey! Here’s another example. If you beat Halo you can collect these skulls. And if you get all 13 skulls you get a special helmet and outfit for your guy. So for the first couple days, everybody was beating the game but nobody was getting the special helmet because they couldn’t find the 13th skull. One kid cracked it. Only one person cracked it. That one person told somebody else, who told somebody else, who told somebody else and then what happened was the one person who knew how to get the skull called up a group of friends, invited them to join his party and told them that they can play with him and that he’d go through all the boards and find all the skulls and do all the work and since they’ll all be joining in with him, they’ll get the achievement points too. So he went through all the boards and it only took him like five or six hours because he already knew how to do it, and everybody in his party got the special helmet and didn’t do anything for it. If that’s not cheating, then what my fan did for me shouldn’t be cheating either. We’re not cheating anybody. We’re not slowing down somebody else’s modem or doing something else to beat them. This was just my fan saying, “Hey, I want you to have the eagle. I’ll give you the eagle by losing games to you.” And come on people, if I found out about it and did it, there has to be other people out there doing it too. I can’t help it if Agent Arenas is a popular guy online and gets offers like that. Come on, there are people out there that have double shot modded controllers, they have modded Xboxes, they have this new thing (and I’m not even sure how you do it) where you put a rubber band around your controller handles so it will go only right and if it goes right the whole time something happens where the game won’t cut off and you keep winning or something like that. Who is finding out about this stuff? Who is sitting there putting rubber bands on their controllers? At least I’m there playing the game. I play Halo some days for 14 hours. If I play that much, obviously I know how to play. A guy online told me how he got his experience points up and I said, “OK, I want that too.” I had already won 216 games legitimately when I heard about this glitch. It’s not like I’m not playing all the time. I mean, I’ve sponsored Final Boss for the last couple years and they’re the best team in Halo. I’m too proud to jump in a game with them to help me get my rank up. If I really wanted to win that bad, all I would have to do is jump in a game with Final Boss when they go up against all of the top kids in the game and just sit there, eat my cereal and watch as they win every game and get my rank up. How hard is that? That’s not hard. But I didn’t do it. Continued Below...

Why must this thread keep being revived? DIE PLZ UNFUNNY THREAD

Agent Zero FTW!!!!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaRealHibachi Wow... What an amazing sense of humor you have....[/quote] Whaaht?

did gil bang your mom or something?

According to this http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=13656157&postRepeater1-p=1#13656450 it looks like Frankie was overkill boosting. Honestly as long as other peoples stats aren't affected I don't see a problem with it.

People are always going to take advantage of the system. If it bothers you so bad, you're not playing Halo for the right reasons. Suck it up and play the damn game.

Gilbert is an average Halo player. He was about a 31 in Halo 2, I haven't played with him since though; I don't know how he has a 42, 45 , and a 47 though. He seems more like a 30-40 player. I hope they put this on PTI lol. BTW, Gilbert is on my FR, that is how I know.

This is probably the first time I've mentioned this, but I actually got Gilbert Arenas to autograph my bus pass after a Blazer game a few years ago. This was when he was on the Warriors. It was either him or Bonzi Wells that through my pen away. You know I don't think he is a bad person and the people defending him are making it out to be like that. I just said he is a cheater, and that is a disappointment because I expected an NBA player to like competing. If you have to cheat to be good at Halo 3 that is just sad. He has played probably 3 times more games if not more than me and he is only about 10 ranks up from me. He calls that "Not that good". Wow what a brilliant observation there Gilbert...

14 hours a day? omg gilbert has no life as the idiots online would say. they could only dream of having his life. just goes to show that the morons that go online and proclaim others no lives etc are just jealous wannabes who really do have no lives.

so someone famous is doing something hundreds of other people are doing... and he gets the rap for it because hes famous.

Major Mauser aka Col Panic your record is garbage. You should not even speak. You need to cheat. I know you don't get respect from anyone you play with. Your K/D ratio is 0.76. I hate players like you who drag the rest of the team down. If I could find you in person, I would slap you in your F#$king mouth. Even cheater Gilbert Arena would own you.