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10/8/2007 5:14:30 AM
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Anyone else insulted by this?
"What you’re seeing is roughly the same situation as you would have in Halo 2, but with movies and screenshots available to examine this stuff, you’re seeing more alleged injustice on a frame by frame basis. The sniper IS harder to use now, so sack up, it requires more skill."
This is what we got in response to asking why the hit detection is glitchy in the sniper rifle. Are we really being told, in the face of irrefutable evidence that the sniper is glitchy, that we should just deal with it because it's now "harder to use"?
I wouldn't mind if the hit detection was a little off and from time to time shots go through heads...I can deal with that. The problem is that IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
By the way, for those who are going to tell me it's lag...it's not. I've done it in local games, and against stationary (afk) players on Live. It's not a lag issue. It's a hit-detection issue.
I've got over 15 clips of this happening in the past 2 days. (I've uploaded some of the more blatant ones, and more are coming later)
PLEASE, Bungie, don't throw this back in our face and tell us it's our fault. The first step to fixing a problem is to admit it's there.
PLEASE admit the hit-detection's a little off...even if it can't be fixed.
And don't even get me started on the Double Reload glitch...
By the way, I know this has been discussed, but it's so infuriating that I needed to vent a little. I was really pissed when I read that "sack up, it requires more skill" crap. Sorry.
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It's either lag or your lack of aiming skill. Huge hit boxes in Halo 2 have led you to become a terrible shot. Deal with it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ver7ig0 In Halo 2 we had the exact opposite problem. The autoaim was so huge that we were hitting people who we missed completely.[/quote] (That still happens) Apparently sometimes when people get hit they dont die and sometimes when they dont get hit they die.
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In Halo 2 we had the exact opposite problem. The autoaim was so huge that we were hitting people who we missed completely.
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Yeap!!! I definitely found bungie's answer quite arrogant. In Halo 2 when you had a problem with the sniper not hitting, it was no doubt lag, and it was quite obvious by the way. But in here it is pretty messed up, I've had some problems with the sniper in Halo 3, but most of them seem to be lag related, but [u]the real problem is about meleeing[/u].....crushing the other guy (seeing the animation, hearing the big SMACK) only to find yourself half a second later flying accross the map. ![b] THAT NEVER HAPPENED TO ME IN HALO 2, NOT ONCE IN TONS OF LIVE GAMES!!!!!, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THAT BEING A BIG ISSUE AS IT IS KNOW. IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S NOT A VALID ANSWER[/b]
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The problem definitely needs to be fixed, as long as it can. I got six headshots on a guy last night, and finally took him down on the seventh. Needless to say, I was pretty pissed off.
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Maybe the hit detection is off center of the head and not where it should be?
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Bump for truth.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolf Brigade 03 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ver7ig0 Seeing as 90% of matchmaking is Shotty Snipers, I'd guess most players (the ones who actually aim for the head rather that 2 body shots) experienced it at least once.[/quote] Now your grasping at straws, or maybe I'm part of the 10% lucky me. I haven't had a problem with it yet. I have seen many topic on this situation, but not a substantial amount. That's what I'm getting at. As being part of the 10%, to me it seems futile to fix something that isn't broke, and in your case it is. I guess we must agree to disagree.[/quote] Yeah, I was joking around there. I know 90% of it isn't S/S. I was just lightening the mood a little.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ver7ig0 Seeing as 90% of matchmaking is Shotty Snipers, I'd guess most players (the ones who actually aim for the head rather that 2 body shots) experienced it at least once.[/quote] Now your grasping at straws, or maybe I'm part of the 10% lucky me. I haven't had a problem with it yet. I have seen many topic on this situation, but not a substantial amount. That's what I'm getting at. As being part of the 10%, to me it seems futile to fix something that isn't broke, and in your case it is. I guess we must agree to disagree.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TidalGravemind If you can show me a clip where there is a bullet going through a guy's head, and he doesn't die (Overshields, "headshots off", and weird angles count for nothing), then I'll review my position. But I have as of yet to see any evidence to the contrary of fugging the shot.[/quote] Okay. Go to my File Share and download "Broken Sniper 2". Headshots are clearly enabled, because the second shot kills him, and he clearly doesn't have an OS. Another convert!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TidalGravemind Actually, thousands of people make their livings in playing videogames. The more you know :) [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] blooze_man excuse me but did that 1 guy just say that since they wont fix the glitch then skill means nothing. you have to be kidding me you are concerned about skill in a video game ? you should instead be concerned about skill in a job trait cus last i checked very few people in this world make a living off of video game skill and the fact that you actually care about said skill makes me chuckle [/quote] This isn't the best I've seen, but check it out anyways. Three body shots. http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/w01NZQOVqk4.html Also also, I haven't noticed anything (Including looking through in replays) about sniping inconsistencies. The hit boxes are smaller, and distance has a greater effect on size than it did in Halo 2 and 1. If you're missing by a couple "in game" inches, then you lucked out. Don't blame it on the game. If you can show me a clip where there is a bullet going through a guy's head, and he doesn't die (Overshields, "headshots off", and weird angles count for nothing), then I'll review my position. But I have as of yet to see any evidence to the contrary of fugging the shot.[/quote]
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I know im only decent with a sniper and I know this how ever when [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=13196728]This file I have shows me with 3 direct hits to the head of a player and he take no damage, till the 4th hit which sadly hit his chest[/url] I know something is up. Also I would like to note I sucked with a sniper in halo2, but 3 im better with it so IMO its not harder, just some times its wonky dont know if its lag or what. My video clearly shows the bullets passing through him and even have blood splatter. also when he moves the wall is covered in blood. This was a ranked match of shotty snipers, so head shots werent turned off [Edited on 10.07.2007 9:44 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolf Brigade 03 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cr1msonSkull [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolf Brigade 03 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gunslinger_X_19 While it wasn't the nicest way to say it, I still fail to see how he is wrong. This kind of thing did happen all the time in Halo 2, and a rediculously amount more in Halo when using XboxConnect. Also the Sniper rifle IS a lot harder to use now since they removed almost all auto-aim from it.[/quote] Yes it is. I see very few people complaining about it actually. I have seen vids of injutice done by "lacking sniper-shots", but it's nothing to quibble over. The sniper does take skill this time around. He wasn't lying.[/quote] Yes, but hitting people in the head with a sniper IS SKILL. That shot not registering and you not getting the kill isn't a reflection on your skill, but poor programming. That being said, when a player shoots someone in the eye three times, each shot should have been a kill, and if it isn't and you tell him that he isn't skilled, it's a frustrating situation for that person, to say the least. I don't have the game yet, but even if I did and NEVER had this problem, I would want the problem solved for the people being affected by it. Fairness in the game is important, and honestly, if I MYSELF was shot in the head several times and I didn't die, I would be extremely empathetic for the person who didn't get there well deserved kill. Whatever this problem is, no matter how many people it effects, it needs to be solved. And it IS a problem with something other than player skill, because if you landed that shot based on WHAT YOU WERE SEEING ON YOUR SCREEN, then it should count as a kill.[/quote] I get where you guys are coming from, Here's the reality of the situation though. Over a million people played Halo today, How amny of them do you guys think experienced this "glitch?" [/quote] Seeing as 90% of matchmaking is Shotty Snipers, I'd guess most players (the ones who actually aim for the head rather that 2 body shots) experienced it at least once.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TidalGravemind Actually, thousands of people make their livings in playing videogames. The more you know :) [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] blooze_man excuse me but did that 1 guy just say that since they wont fix the glitch then skill means nothing. you have to be kidding me you are concerned about skill in a video game ? you should instead be concerned about skill in a job trait cus last i checked very few people in this world make a living off of video game skill and the fact that you actually care about said skill makes me chuckle [/quote] Also also, I haven't noticed anything (Including looking through in replays) about sniping inconsistencies. The hit boxes are smaller, and distance has a greater effect on size than it did in Halo 2 and 1. If you're missing by a couple "in game" inches, then you lucked out. Don't blame it on the game. If you can show me a clip where there is a bullet going through a guy's head, and he doesn't die (Overshields, "headshots off", and weird angles count for nothing), then I'll review my position. But I have as of yet to see any evidence to the contrary of fugging the shot.[/quote] Oh there are TONS of people that have clips and screenshots of bullets going through heads and not doing anything. If the shotty-sniper game is still in my recent played list I will make a clip and link you to it so you can see.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cr1msonSkull [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolf Brigade 03 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gunslinger_X_19 While it wasn't the nicest way to say it, I still fail to see how he is wrong. This kind of thing did happen all the time in Halo 2, and a rediculously amount more in Halo when using XboxConnect. Also the Sniper rifle IS a lot harder to use now since they removed almost all auto-aim from it.[/quote] Yes it is. I see very few people complaining about it actually. I have seen vids of injutice done by "lacking sniper-shots", but it's nothing to quibble over. The sniper does take skill this time around. He wasn't lying.[/quote] Yes, but hitting people in the head with a sniper IS SKILL. That shot not registering and you not getting the kill isn't a reflection on your skill, but poor programming. That being said, when a player shoots someone in the eye three times, each shot should have been a kill, and if it isn't and you tell him that he isn't skilled, it's a frustrating situation for that person, to say the least. I don't have the game yet, but even if I did and NEVER had this problem, I would want the problem solved for the people being affected by it. Fairness in the game is important, and honestly, if I MYSELF was shot in the head several times and I didn't die, I would be extremely empathetic for the person who didn't get there well deserved kill. Whatever this problem is, no matter how many people it effects, it needs to be solved. And it IS a problem with something other than player skill, because if you landed that shot based on WHAT YOU WERE SEEING ON YOUR SCREEN, then it should count as a kill.[/quote] I get where you guys are coming from, Here's the reality of the situation though. Over a million people played Halo today, How many of them do you guys think experienced this "glitch?" [Edited on 10.07.2007 9:39 PM PDT]
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wow bungie "sack up" ? you should sack up and fix it already so many people say halo 3 is a dissapointment you guys should get to work and at least fix some things...lazy. just because you dont plan on continuing the halo series doesnt mean you leave us with a crappy excuse to why you dont want to get up and fix it. Lost so much respect for you guys.
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This has happened to me once (Im not very good with the sniper rifle anyways so the chances of this happening are lower than normal... heh) But it did happen. I hit the guy in the head and blood sprayed out but he walked away... What if only the right side of the face had hit detection? or some of center area?
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Actually, thousands of people make their livings in playing videogames. The more you know :) [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] blooze_man excuse me but did that 1 guy just say that since they wont fix the glitch then skill means nothing. you have to be kidding me you are concerned about skill in a video game ? you should instead be concerned about skill in a job trait cus last i checked very few people in this world make a living off of video game skill and the fact that you actually care about said skill makes me chuckle [/quote] Also also, I haven't noticed anything (Including looking through in replays) about sniping inconsistencies. The hit boxes are smaller, and distance has a greater effect on size than it did in Halo 2 and 1. If you're missing by a couple "in game" inches, then you lucked out. Don't blame it on the game. If you can show me a clip where there is a bullet going through a guy's head, and he doesn't die (Overshields, "headshots off", and weird angles count for nothing), then I'll review my position. But I have as of yet to see any evidence to the contrary of fugging the shot.
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The people who are saying this is just lag are just not ready to admit something is wrong with the game. It's a great game and this is just one issue, but fanboy-blinders are powerful. It happens on local games just as much as on Live.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ResistanceHalo Hey, people. Just because this doesn't happen to YOU doesn't mean it's not an issue. I know people that have it happen now and then, and I know people that have it happen all the damn time (I'm more of the latter), online AND offline. But I know NO ONE that has had this happen them at all on Halo 2 in any way. I'm not denying it might happens somtimes, because who am I to say? But I can definitely say this in Halo 3 is FAR more common at the very least. Bungie is being asinine on this issue, and to say the Sniper "needs more skill" when the hit detection is constantly off is absolutely idiotic. -blam!- you for that comment, Bungie. I get it. You make Halo, the most popular game in the world, so you feel you can justifiably screw us out of things? Well, then. Thanks for letting us know where we rank on your priority list. People will remember this in the future, Bungie. Know this.[/quote] HERE HERE! AGREED!
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For those people that say this problem is purely lag: How do you explain hitting someone 4 times in the head or body as they stand still and not doing any damage at all? Here's the kicker. The same situation, but playing locally on your 360?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Stolen Ghost i've played close to a 150 games on live already and i have not noticed this please understand that this is a video game, if you have bad luck with the sniper, put it down. if i haven't missed a single shot because of your "hit detection" problem then its your problem the autoaim is not set as high as you may have been used to so deal with it, zipping the reticule across someones head should not yeild a kill also, just because you see him as there doesn't mean that he is actually there, there is always fudge room stop shooting around corners or at people near corners, that changed a lot. please stop blaming bungie for an error that not everyone experiences, its a videogame and there will be inconsistencies but bungie did playtest the -blam!- out of this game so don't you think they would have fixed a major sniper problem? please dont waste your time flaming because this was intended as a comment not a conversation starter, i wont even read your reply[/quote] I hate it when people dont read a post. It has nothing to do with auto aim!!!! Lemme break it down for people. Sniper shoot -----> blood sprays/shields flash ----> no hit. The shots dont register.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cr1msonSkull [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolf Brigade 03 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gunslinger_X_19 While it wasn't the nicest way to say it, I still fail to see how he is wrong. This kind of thing did happen all the time in Halo 2, and a rediculously amount more in Halo when using XboxConnect. Also the Sniper rifle IS a lot harder to use now since they removed almost all auto-aim from it.[/quote] Yes it is. I see very few people complaining about it actually. I have seen vids of injutice done by "lacking sniper-shots", but it's nothing to quibble over. The sniper does take skill this time around. He wasn't lying.[/quote] Yes, but hitting people in the head with a sniper IS SKILL. That shot not registering and you not getting the kill isn't a reflection on your skill, but poor programming. That being said, when a player shoots someone in the eye three times, each shot should have been a kill, and if it isn't and you tell him that he isn't skilled, it's a frustrating situation for that person, to say the least. I don't have the game yet, but even if I did and NEVER had this problem, I would want the problem solved for the people being affected by it. Fairness in the game is important, and honestly, if I MYSELF was shot in the head several times and I didn't die, I would be extremely empathetic for the person who didn't get there well deserved kill. Whatever this problem is, no matter how many people it effects, it needs to be solved. And it IS a problem with something other than player skill, because if you landed that shot based on WHAT YOU WERE SEEING ON YOUR SCREEN, then it should count as a kill.[/quote] Thank you. That was perfectly said. I agree 1000%.
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Hey, people. Just because this doesn't happen to YOU doesn't mean it's not an issue. I know people that have it happen now and then, and I know people that have it happen all the damn time (I'm more of the latter), online AND offline. But I know NO ONE that has had this happen them at all on Halo 2 in any way. I'm not denying it might happens somtimes, because who am I to say? But I can definitely say this in Halo 3 is FAR more common at the very least. Bungie is being asinine on this issue, and to say the Sniper "needs more skill" when the hit detection is constantly off is absolutely idiotic. -blam!- you for that comment, Bungie. I get it. You make Halo, the most popular game in the world, so you feel you can justifiably screw us out of things? Well, then. Thanks for letting us know where we rank on your priority list. People will remember this in the future, Bungie. Know this.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fat Tony B [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ver7ig0 "What you’re seeing is roughly the same situation as you would have in Halo 2, but with movies and screenshots available to examine this stuff, you’re seeing more alleged injustice on a frame by frame basis. The sniper IS harder to use now, so sack up, it requires more skill." This is what we got in response to asking why the hit detection is glitchy in the sniper rifle. Are we really being told, in the face of irrefutable evidence that the sniper is glitchy, that we should just deal with it because it's now "harder to use"? I wouldn't mind if the hit detection was a little off and from time to time shots go through heads...I can deal with that. The problem is that IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. By the way, for those who are going to tell me it's lag...it's not. I've done it in local games, and against stationary (afk) players on Live. It's not a lag issue. It's a hit-detection issue. I've got over 15 clips of this happening in the past 2 days. (I've uploaded some of the more blatant ones, and more are coming later) PLEASE, Bungie, don't throw this back in our face and tell us it's our fault. The first step to fixing a problem is to admit it's there. PLEASE admit the hit-detection's a little off...even if it can't be fixed. And don't even get me started on the Double Reload glitch... By the way, I know this has been discussed, but it's so infuriating that I needed to vent a little. I was really pissed when I read that "sack up, it requires more skill" crap. Sorry.[/quote] first of who cares? omg its a little off (if it is) its the way it is so get used to it! that part requires skill! 2ndly a headshot shouldn't even kill someone with power armor and a shield so be happy it does![/quote] So a person's skill is determined by how well they avoid being screwed over by a glitch?
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Are you Using it with in the "red cosshair" area? if not it has to do with the bullets speed loss over irrational distances its not meant for. i also like how you actually get recoil within the scope, its more realistic. If a modern day person fired one of his shoulder standing up his shoulder might break in comparas 1 ton cyborg you're still not immune to all of these effects...
