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1/10/2013 9:04:29 PM
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Marathon Infinity Ending and Destiny (Infinity Spoilers)
How do you interpret it?
I just finished Infinity last night, so I'm still trying to put everything in the right order (having the forums turn into this didn't help lol).
But the fact that the final word of the Marathon trilogy is the name of Bungie's new IP can't be a coincidence (this is Bungie we're 7alking about), and thus I raise the question again as to what the Durandal-S'pht entity meant by this.
The first thing I really grasped onto was that this was a comment on the Security Officer being Cyborg, and, more importantly, that his cyborg status is destiny. Given the nature of the S'pht, and the final nature of Durandal, it would seem that Cyborgs are the most powerful forces in the Marathon Universe. We see similar themes carried into the Halo universe.
Is Durandal saying that Cyborgs are the destiny of intelligence? Given how much Durandal talks about evolution in Marathon 1, and the fact that Evolution would very much favor immortal life in the long-term, I find this a fitting theme. What's your interpretation?
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2 RepliesIt's a wink to the fact that you, the player, are the ultimate driver of the in-game universe. Dead a thousand times, hopeless encounters successfully won - no matter how many times your in-game character fails or is killed, you just reload your saved game and keep playing the game until its conclusion. There is a path/fate mapped out and it comes to pass because you play the game - in other words, you are 'destiny.'
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So I came into the idea that the story that is presented to the player of Destiny may not be the truth and so then the next question that I had was what's really going on, not what is the story but what's really going on right no, is the traveler good or bad right now are we good or bad right now etc... And in all that I came to a quick thought about the singularity. Maybe because I brought it up on 4chan, maybe it was that date last night whatever, long story short, and you can tell me if you'd like more, If Detinty is a possible post singularity collapse, that is, one possible way that a singularity could lead to the downfall of humanity, than it would make sense why matter can be so easily digitally manipulated, why time travel is somehow an available technology, and why salvage is such a huge theme in the beginning of the game. Then I thought , the Traveler could be computer running the whole holodeck, And it took off from there For some reason I thought of the Awoken as knowing about this, the exo's being extroverts on the fact they are being run on technology, and humans being sort of like the true believers, the youngest of the oldest tribe sort of thing Than I thought of matching up each enemy type with Awoken becoming hive, humans becoming Cabal and Exo's getting those stomach yellow white crystals as throats, like the way the Vex have an energy cask as their lower midsection so could a brass Exo have a golden light visible within its bust. Visuals as much a part of how these clues speak to me, I'm thinking of some enemies from Marathon , floating red robed bejeweled cyborg things.
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"BUT you were dead a thousand times. hopeless encounters successfully won. a man long dead, grafted to machines your builders did not understand. you follow. yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild. now in the quantum moment before closure, when all become one. one moment left, one point in space in time. i know who you are. YOU ARE DESTINY
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On the whole evolution thing, I'd say that refering to it as evolution is a misnomer. I'd say that sound more like technological progress leading up to the singularity, which creates the option of being as close to immortal as possible. And in case you didn't know, the singularity is when intelligent life is able to alter itself with its technology, so while calling post singularity people cyborgs belittles their power, intellegence, and incredible strangeness, they would technically be cyborgs. This probably is a less notable point than I thought it would be. Whatever, I'm posting it anyway.
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7 RepliesIt's not a question about you being a cyborg or not. Durandal is speaking to you in the final quantum moment before the collapse of the universe. You are, somehow, still there. Both you and Durandal-Thoth exist in that final moment, and, I am quite sure you both must be beings of pure thought at this point given the nature of the Big Crunch. Anyway, I'm getting sidetracked. Through the course of the three games, you've defied all odds, survived more potential deaths than any man has the right to, and then, to top it all off, you have skipped through a number of timelines, ultimately preventing the destruction of reality as we know it. And if that weren't enough, you may very well have previously saved the world from such a fate way back in 1993. Things seem familiar to you... as thought from a dream... Remember the Kill Your Television terminal from M2? It's heavily metaphoric, but discusses the player as being analogous to Roland, Beowulf, Achilles, and other heroes of legend. And this is what Infinity takes as fact. That the Security Officer IS a hero of legend, but not just any hero, the final and ultimate hero. You represent something greater than the other heroes of the past. You surpass any and all things: you are destiny.
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2 RepliesI find this interesting. I have never played any marathon game so I can't really say anything on the subject but it definitely wouldn't surprise me if Bungie happened to make a connection to marathon in Destiny. Although seeing that this is an entirely new universe I wouldn't say that the games are connected story-wise. But who really knows at this point, right?
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The games also take place within the same time period. 700 years in the future.
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I would just check this off as another Bungie past game reference, which I love. :]
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1 Reply1) "and the fact that Evolution would very much favor immortal life in the long-term" WHAT?? 2) Halo and Marathon share some themes and looking to those shared themes may help. 3) Durandal was a bit of jerk. A smart jerk, but still a jerk.
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Edited by Spartan Ken 15: 1/11/2013 1:07:24 AMI am not sure, I always wondered if the Cyborg was Chief in the new universe.
