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Opening NAT for Dummies: Pimp Out Your XBox Live for Halo 3!
[quote][i]At the request of the OP, this thread is being locked in favor of the OP's "Opening NAT for Dummies 2" thread, located [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=45148977]here[/url] with some upgrades and new information. Please feel free to ask any questions you might have in that thread instead, and be sure to save it so that you can return to it later if you need to!
[url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=45148977]Opening NAT for Dummies 2[/url]
- x Foman123 x[/i][/quote]
EDIT: This was designed to be a generalised, simple guide and it has achieved that if the thousands of appreciative comments are to be believed. It you're a kid it's fine to ask for dad's help with this. [b]If you're having problems have a go fixing it by using great resources like the FAQ in the third post (which summarises the 60 pages of help given here) and portforward.com[/b], the ultimate networking destination. Exotic queries/routers can be answered/troubleshot by wikipedia and google. (search for " 'troubleshooting'") If all else fails you are welcome to leave a detailed description of your problem in the thread, though I stress googling your query will usually give you an answer instantly.
Hey Bungie.net Member. Master Chef SC here. Keep the credit to me and you can put this guide anywhere.
This is all about allowing everyone to directly connect to you in games like Halo 3, so you don't have to settle for the scraps of Matchmaking. AKA Open NAT. You will not be vulnerable to hackers since you will only be allowing people into programs and games that you select. However, there are some side effects from learning how to get an Open NAT on your computer and xbox:
o - You'll remove any chance of connection problems with friends
o - You'll get better pings in all online computer games, because you can connect to everybody and so have more choice in matchmaking.
o - You'll stream your computer hard drive's videos, pictures and music onto your Xbox without any stuttering.
o - You'll maximise the speed of your peer to peer downloading including MSN file transferring
o - You won't pay an idiot 50 bucks every time something easy goes wrong.
The process is pretty technical but it'll try to explain it so you can understand it and it will pay back in huge dividends. Face it, you're living in an age of computers. Know how to pimp them.
Your Xbox 360's NAT could already be open without you realising. To check if it is, turn on your Xbox 360 and in the dashboard's My Xbox area, scroll right all the way to system settings. Select 'Network Settings.' Then select 'Test Xbox Live Connection.'
The Xbox will run a bunch of tests, the last of which is NAT. It could be Strict, Moderate or Open. If it is open, (that is, no NAT error appears) stop reading this guide (either you have a Xbox live certified router or you have your Xbox directly connected to the modem. Please note that some, including my Xbox live certified router don't do their job of letting xbox live through the firewall). If it reads moderate or strict, then you are ripping yourself off.
To get yourself an open NAT, it's not quite as simple as ticking a box. That's why this essay is here. The first thing you have to do is make your Xbox 360's local IP address 'static.' Then you have to open a back door in the router's software to your Xbox.
If you don't know what a local IP address is, just think of your home network as a neighbourhood of mostly empty houses, labelled 1 through 255. For the vast majority of neighbourhoods like yours, the mailman lives at house 1 (he is the router) and he's the only contact with the outside world, which he accesses through the modem. If your computer, Xbox and laptop don't have a static IP, then they will live in a different house each time they're turned on and so need to tell the mailman where they live to be in contact with the outside world. If your Xbox or Computer has a static IP, they're always in the same house.
The second step is to open ports on your router. It'll make teleporters between the mailman's house and your Xbox's. You can see that if the Xbox is always in a different house then the teleporter that goes to house 5 will only work some of time. Further on, each teleporter, or port opened, only works for one certain type of internet traffic AND can only be set to one device, or house.
This number of the houses is the fourth in an "IP Address." The first three numbers don't ever change for the whole network. Example: 192.168.1.[b]1[/b] or 10.1.1.[b]1[/b]. So change only the last number for different devices on the network, between 1 and 255. Your router will most likely be on 1, but whatever it is on, it will never change.
[b]PART A- STATIC IP[/b]
Your computer and Xbox show a static IP as manually entering in IP settings and a non-static as them being set to automatic.
Now you need to know all the technical numbers with three letter acronyms (you gotta love em) necessary- to get the same IP address everytime. The easiest way to get these numbers is to go to your computer's start menu, click on run, type in "cmd" and then in the black box that pops up type "ipconfig /all". That's ipconfig space slash all. A rush of stuff will appear and you'll feel like a hacker. Look down towards the bottom and [b]write down on paper[/b] your IP Address (aka IPv4), Subnet Mask, Default Gateway and DNS Servers. Any typos here would be tragic so triple check that you have them right. I'll explain what each of these mean:
[b]IP address- [/b] What I was talking about at the end of the introduction. This is your computer's local IP address. For your entire network the first three numbers, say 192.168.1, will be the same. The last identifies to the router what device on the network it is.
[b]Subnet Mask-[/b] Scrambles your IP address from outsiders.
[b]Default Gateway- [/b]The local IP address of your [b]router[/b].
[b] DNS servers- [/b] These are pass codes from your internet service provider. There will most likely be two. The first is called "Preferred/Primary DNS server" and the second is also known as the "Alternate/Secondary DNS server." Please note there may only be one. In this case please make the Secondary DNS the same number as the primary.
Now that we've got these numbers, we can go and make all of the computers and Xboxes that you want to open ports for static.
[b]How to make your Xbox 360's IP address Static:[/b]
Now you are ready to go back to your Xbox 360's dashboard. In My Xbox, scroll right and select system settings, network settings, edit settings. There are two options- IP settings and DNS settings. Go into either, change the setting to manual and then enter all of the codes you have written down on your paper, with one difference. The last digit of the IP address needs to be changed to a number preferably between 50 and 250. Choose your favourite and write it down on the paper as your Xbox's Local IP address. While you're at it choose the numbers of your computer/s too, the houses that they will live in.
If can reconnect to Xbox live, you have successfully made your Xbox IP's static.
[b]Making your computer's IP address Static:[/b]
(For this section, If you don't have WIndows XP or prefer pretty pictures over a wall of text, check [url=http://www.portforward.com/networking/staticip.htm] this out[/url])
Go to your computer, click start, control panel, network connections (classic view). You now have some icons that probably say "local area connection" and "wireless network connection." Ignore the "Internet Gateway Internet Connection" icon up further up. You need to select the one of local or wireless or otherwise that you use to connect to the internet. IF you don't know which one it is, go ahead and right click on one and 'disable' it.
If your -blam!- stops downloading and you can't load up Google, it's probably the right one.
Right click on the icon that gives you life, go 'properties', within the 'this connection uses the following items' embedded list scroll down to Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) and then click on properties, just a little down and right. You will now see a window similar to how you entered in your codes on your xbox, except its all compact and lacks style.
Here you will find if your IP address is static or roaming. If all the numbers are already filled in, its static and you should right down that computer's fourth number in its local IP address. This is old hat for you isn't it! If no numbers are filled in then do that yourself using all the numbers you wrote down on paper. Type in the DNS, Subnet, Gateway... it's all as easy as shooting a whale in barrel. If you're still connected to the internet then you haven't made any mistakes, because I sure didn't.
[Edited on 06.17.2010 7:36 AM PDT by x Foman123 x]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite Brutter I got a wireless Modem and it has 4 outputs.. Any difference?[/quote]See bottom of OP.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zzthejimzz Here's a general tip, if you have opened your NAT on your modem and your router and Match-Making is still saying your NAT is closed, check your Windows firewall settings. I have Vista and within my firewall settings, under exceptions, there was a way to open the NAT connection.[/quote] how would your windows computer firewall affect your xbox?
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Here's a general tip, if you have opened your NAT on your modem and your router and Match-Making is still saying your NAT is closed, check your Windows firewall settings. I have Vista and within my firewall settings, under exceptions, there was a way to open the NAT connection.
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well i have a problem with the wolrds worst router "the bt home hub 2.0" i cant edit settings because bt has made it so when i acesses my router through the adress bar i get redireced to search after seeing the routers page for about a second for some unkown reson when i did manage to get it to go to open. it suddenly decides to go back every tie bt sends a update even though it has the firmware upadate that shpuld stop this. and last but not least i can even get a new router because bt has mad it so only the bt home works and it would cost £50 to have one of there techys come round to change it wich outs the cost of a new router to £120. any ideas are apreciated
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ehalstead I, someway unknown to me, have resolved my previous issues. I assume the internet gods saw fit to fix my problem. Perhaps some sort of internet miracle, but I am experiencing a new problem. I am getting very choppy game play when I am playing firefight with friends and sometimes I get the same thing with Halo3 Match Making. When I experience this in Halo3 M.M. the connection bar does not indicate any lag. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there additional ports that need to be opened? [/quote]Are you sure your NAT is open? Make sure all of your friends have an open NAT too, moderate and strict NAT greatly affects ODST's gameplay.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ehalstead I, someway unknown to me, have resolved my previous issues. I assume the internet gods saw fit to fix my problem. Perhaps some sort of internet miracle, but I am experiencing a new problem. I am getting very choppy game play when I am playing firefight with friends and sometimes I get the same thing with Halo3 Match Making. When I experience this in Halo3 M.M. the connection bar does not indicate any lag. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there additional ports that need to be opened? [/quote] Well, for starters the connection bar means nothing. It really does not indicate a single thing connection wise. Sounds to me like someone else is using your network, opening a web page while you are trying to play is hell on your xbl game, as the computer uses as much of your internet speed as it can for that split second it loads the page. As for firefight, I would put that down to the same thing, although this one thing happening to anyone in the game has a huge impact on everyone elses connection, as the host relays every detail about every player to everyone. Someone may have something more to add, but in short I think it is just your internet speed.
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I, someway unknown to me, have resolved my previous issues. I assume the internet gods saw fit to fix my problem. Perhaps some sort of internet miracle, but I am experiencing a new problem. I am getting very choppy game play when I am playing firefight with friends and sometimes I get the same thing with Halo3 Match Making. When I experience this in Halo3 M.M. the connection bar does not indicate any lag. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there additional ports that need to be opened?
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I have a Belkin N after doing this its still closed but when i put it back to auto its open but doesnt stay open after 3 days it closes
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Da Master Chef [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hazzoxic LOl at how to OP is sooo full of himself[/quote] If you were as awesome as I am you'd be full of yourself too! (In my writing of this guide I play a character in order to keep the reader entertained. And as I can see in your reply, it worked.)[/quote] Social experiments rock.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hazzoxic LOl at how to OP is sooo full of himself[/quote] If you were as awesome as I am you'd be full of yourself too! (In my writing of this guide I play a character in order to keep the reader entertained. And as I can see in your reply, it worked.) [Edited on 11.30.2009 10:18 PM PST]
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I will certainly take a look at the google results. I was hoping that someone had the same experience and could provide input without me having to sift through endless text and message board results.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ehalstead I tried what you recommended and got the following message "IEEE 802.1x authentication cannot operate on peer to peer [ad hoc] networks or networks for which data encryption is disabled"[/quote] Google has lot's of results for "IEEE 802.1x authentication cannot operate on peer to peer [ad hoc] networks or networks for which data encryption is disabled" I'd give those a try and see if any help.
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I tried what you recommended and got the following message "IEEE 802.1x authentication cannot operate on peer to peer [ad hoc] networks or networks for which data encryption is disabled"
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ehalstead Thanks for all of your efforts. I had tried many times to correct the NAT type problem and failed due to ineptitude. This made it very simple to fix, but I am having one issue. I completed all steps listed. Everything works great. I am connected to all devices. I no longer get any type of NAT message. The only issue I am having is my laptop, which is connected wirelessly, is always "Validating Identity". I do not lose internet on the laptop and it doesn't seem to cause any issues other than the mentioned message. I guess, in truth, it doesn't matter, but I really hate for to message to persists considering it wasn't like that before the process. Any help with this problem would be much appreciated.[/quote] [url=http://www.ehow.com/how_2326407_disable-validating-identity-wireless-network.html]Did you try google ?[/url]
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Thanks for all of your efforts. I had tried many times to correct the NAT type problem and failed due to ineptitude. This made it very simple to fix, but I am having one issue. I completed all steps listed. Everything works great. I am connected to all devices. I no longer get any type of NAT message. The only issue I am having is my laptop, which is connected wirelessly, is always "Validating Identity". Occasionally it will say something along the lines of not being able to find certificate to log on to network. I do not lose internet on the laptop and it doesn't seem to cause any issues other than the mentioned message. I have tried putting all setting back on both the router and the laptop and the message remains. I guess, in truth, it doesn't matter, but I really hate for to message to persists considering it wasn't like that before the process. Any help with this problem would be much appreciated. [Edited on 11.29.2009 11:36 AM PST]
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LOl at how to OP is sooo full of himself
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I actually just did what your thread said... and it worked! thanks for the help ive been having NAT problems for months and couldn't find anyhting that would help. thank you
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] imouTx hi is this post ongoing or is it abandoned, i have questions on nat[/quote] Fire away, there are a few of us that check the thread from time to time. If I can help ill let you know.
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hi is this post ongoing or is it abandoned, i have questions on nat
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I got a wireless Modem and it has 4 outputs.. Any difference?
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I just found that if i turn UPnP off and everything else, i get open NAT BT Homehub only.
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good post
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This is kind of off-subject but I see a lot of people that use DD-WRT firmware updates in this post. So you should all read [url=http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/21/critical_ddwrt_router_vuln/]this.[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MACKunAguero510 you said it would most likely have two DNS servers. Well mine has three.What do i do??[/quote] I defined DNS. Common sense from there says what? THEY ARE BACK UPS! [Edited on 11.10.2009 4:05 AM PST]
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you said it would most likely have two DNS servers. Well mine has three.What do i do??
