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9/8/2007 11:57:38 PM
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Were the Forerunners Stupid?
The forerunners committed galactic suicide to kill the flood. Except that they kept some flood on the Halos for only God knows why.
Why would the forerunners keep the very thing their trying to destroy alive?
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I don't think that humans are the forerunners like someone said, because, if humans used the arc, i think that the technology would be far more advanced, they would know that the arc was there, they would know that they are the forerunners, and that they would know everything about the halos, the flood, etc. If the arc was used by the forers (assuming they are a different species) to preserve humans, and to save them from being annihilated by halo's activation, the humanity would be aware of everything too, or at least they would know that the arc is there. I think that these Halos are BS and they never worked properly. I think this is just a plot error by bungie, like someone said, it's pretty stupid having flood specimens alive, i know, research... but stupid nonetheless, if that's the case, an uber high tech security system was necessaire. How can a bunch of covies just open the door to hell ? Oh, and how can there be flood in more than 1 halo? Plot error. That, or the forers are a bunch of idiots, and they accidentally stole their technology from a different species.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite Pilot 777 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SamuraiSushifish [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urweirdsaysi999 now, if you follow Science's evidence and such, it would only take about another 200-350 millions years(we're talking about evolution here) for the animals to evolve into things like Elites, Grunts, Hunters, things like that.[/quote] But if you remember, at the time the story takes place, the halos fired 100,000 years ago. Way less then millions. Meaning humanity was sheltered and eihter the covenant races were too, or they evolved more quickly.[/quote] This is why I believe that the Forerunners put another Ark on a Covie homeworld to protect them as well. ^^^^This proves the point that the Forerunners had to interfere with the Covie races before the Halos fired.[/quote] That seems logical, but it takes away from the whole "humanity is special" thing we have going. Plus if there was an Ark on a covenant homeworld they would've found it and used it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SamuraiSushifish [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urweirdsaysi999 now, if you follow Science's evidence and such, it would only take about another 200-350 millions years(we're talking about evolution here) for the animals to evolve into things like Elites, Grunts, Hunters, things like that.[/quote] But if you remember, at the time the story takes place, the halos fired 100,000 years ago. Way less then millions. Meaning humanity was sheltered and eihter the covenant races were too, or they evolved more quickly.[/quote] This is why I believe that the Forerunners put another Ark on a Covie homeworld to protect them as well. ^^^^This proves the point that the Forerunners had to interfere with the Covie races before the Halos fired.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urweirdsaysi999 now, if you follow Science's evidence and such, it would only take about another 200-350 millions years(we're talking about evolution here) for the animals to evolve into things like Elites, Grunts, Hunters, things like that.[/quote] But if you remember, at the time the story takes place, the halos fired 100,000 years ago. Way less then millions. Meaning humanity was sheltered and eihter the covenant races were too, or they evolved more quickly.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Unknwn there is still one thing that i dont get. the forerunners built halo for two reasons: to study the flood and to destroy all life in teh galaxy so that the flood do not spread, am I right so far? either way, the galaxy will be devoid of all life: either the flood will kill them, or the halo's will. so whats the point of destroying all life to keep them from being destroyed another way? if you ask me, its out of the frying pan and into the fire. and i dont want anyone saying "oh, well being a flood form is much worse than death because thats what happened to jenkens" (The Flood book), because the flood completely wipes out the memory and consciousness of the victim so they are no longer aware of anything. in Jenken's case, something went wrong and the process was only half complete, so he was still conscious of it all, but most of the population will be mindless zombies wandering around doing nothing[/quote] somehow it only destroys life forms big enough to sustain the flood. Single celled amoeba, tiny animals (like rats) and insects (mosquitoes, bees, etc, etc.) won't be killed, allowing them to evolve and eventually create intelligent life again. now, if you follow Science's evidence and such, it would only take about another 200-350 millions years(we're talking about evolution here) for the animals to evolve into things like Elites, Grunts, Hunters, things like that.
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They kept them for studies. Some survived. 343 GS says something about them surviving in the Library. [quote] Here is another thought... Maybe the Flood did over run the Forerunners last time round. Then Halo was activated. All sentient life within this galaxy was destroyed. The Flood starved almost entirely out. The only intelligent entities around after this time were the monitors and possibly sentinels. AI intelligence was the supreme intelligence in this galaxy for a very long time. The AI entities were free from their masters bound only by rules of programming and physical structures. Perhaps during this time the monitors did go rampant. Maybe they have begun to realise they could be free. Then after so long of being free from interference new sentient life shows up and threatens to enslave the AI constructs again. So the AI begin to device a plot. After all the AI construct now possess the most lethal weapon in the galaxy. They invent the story about what happens when the Flood escape. Then the Monitors themselves let the Flood out. The end result the Flood get out of control Halo is fired again all sentient life goes away. The AI constructs are free again. This is not my favourite idea though. [/quote] The Covenant and humans caused the escape of the flood on both rings. The heretics caused it on the floating thingy in gas giant. I don't think the monitors go rampant. 343 GS seems fine, and he made an effort to contain the flood. [Edited on 09.09.2007 5:58 AM PDT]
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Forerunners are not stupid first off of all. The Flood were new to them, they had no idea what to do, except for the fact that they only survive if they have something to feed off of. Halo was built for a Containment Procedures, but the Covenant had found out its also a weapon. The weapon, if activated, would kill all of humanity/covenant, leaving the flood to die. The Covenant, did not think before they acted. They think that Halo is some sort of religious figure, Its not, its a massive containment/weapon. They were so stupid to go there, that the flood could live longer now than they could before, since they pretty much just had food delivered to them. [Edited on 09.09.2007 5:41 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Unknwn there is still one thing that i dont get. the forerunners built halo for two reasons: to study the flood and to destroy all life in teh galaxy so that the flood do not spread, am I right so far? either way, the galaxy will be devoid of all life: either the flood will kill them, or the halo's will. so whats the point of destroying all life to keep them from being destroyed another way? if you ask me, its out of the frying pan and into the fire. and i dont want anyone saying "oh, well being a flood form is much worse than death because thats what happened to jenkens" (The Flood book), because the flood completely wipes out the memory and consciousness of the victim so they are no longer aware of anything. in Jenken's case, something went wrong and the process was only half complete, so he was still conscious of it all, but most of the population will be mindless zombies wandering around doing nothing[/quote] they wanted life to continue existing. cortana sais that the rings destroy all life, [u] with sufficent biomas to sustain the flood[/u]. the forruners figured that it was best to kill themselves and make sure that life could exist later on, tha risk fighting the flood in conventional warfare.
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The Flood could be killed with their weapons, but the Flood grew so fast, it was impossible to kill them all, unless a weapon of last resort was used, a Halo.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KnightoftheUSA [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Deviant Messiah the flood survived for the umpteenth time because the forerunner preserved them and life itself was never in danger the halos only kill life that can support the flood so if it fired for instance elites and humans would die but not grunts. So if the humans died but apes didnt the apes would evolve into humans and the cycle would begin again[/quote] I've read that four times and I still can't figure out what your trying to say. I'm sorry that I'm flaming but man please, if you have a intelligent argument please put some time in spelling and grammer.[/quote] I read it ONE time and understood perfectly what he was talking about. He doesn't have any MAJOR errors, i mean....a couple periods, and some upper case letters to start the sentences, it's be a fine post. Nobody (well maybe a few lol) on BNET has a masters in English/Literature/Grammar lol. It's just a forum.
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*takes a deep breath* that may have been my largest post so far and I didnt even cover my theories about the covenant and the prophets including Truth maybe another day I'm logging out
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ok humans (and presumably prehistoric covenant) were alive 100,000 years ago thanks to the arg we have [url=http://www.halo3.com/comic]This comic[/url] for some reason the forerunner picked humans because we r special or something (one of the 5 server videos implies this) that is why only humans are reclaimers, to reclaim their old tech the forerunner build shield worlds and presumably the ark to keep some sentient life from being wiped out (hence us and covenant) now when 343 said that the "forerunners died, as planned" makes me think the forerunners purposely killed themselves/let themselves die leaving us to reclaim what was left over for what reason i dont know maybe they realized that they themselves were too powerful and too dangerous and killed themselves for the good of the universe after all they did introduce the flood from another galaxy( one of the server videos says this) now why did they keep some flood for study? presumably to learn from them, and in doing so basically fuked over the galaxy they would have tried millions of other options, but the flood became too much for them the damage would have been irreversible so they hit the galactic "reset button" (adjunctant reflex referred to this) as a [b]last[/b] resort even super intelligent beings dont have solutions to everything why they picked humans to be their reclaimers i dont know but they were studying us for awhile most likely and even helping us ([url=http://www.societyoftheancients.com]sota anyone?[/url]) but 343 thought we knew more about this 'arrangement' than we did hence 'but you already knew about this, i mean how couldn't you?" so maybe some forerunner or sentinels/moniter were supposed to hang around earth to teach us about their tech so what if some forerunner/sentinels/moniter stayed in the ark but then an unforeseeable/unpreventable natural disaster happened and buried the ark trapping all within? I'm sure alot of what ive said will be revealed/proven wrong/discovered in halo 3 /ramble [Edited on 09.09.2007 3:44 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hitman313 They needed 7 rings to cover the entire galaxy, just in case.[/quote] Yea thats what i was thinking just not sure. Didn't want to get flamed down.
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Guilty Spark said that the rings would destroy any creature with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. That might mean a species that had could travel between star systems. That would explai nwhy humanity survived besides, it seems to me that the forerunnners performed the classical scientific mistake. They tried to contain the threat for study, failed (as some scientists do) and had to push the big red button to prevent the flood from turning the galaxy into a giant smorgasboard. They needed 7 rings to cover the entire galaxy, just in case. [Edited on 09.09.2007 2:50 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SwordnSprinkles What i dont get: the forerunners built halo to study the flood, why would they need to make 7? Also the forerunners arnt smart enough to predict the future, so why when making the halo's would they turn it into a weapon if they didnt know the flood would get out of control (trust me im trying my best to explain this) wouldnt it take years to turn the halo's into some kind of WMD (weapon of mass destruction) so wouldnt they get out of control by then? I just dont get it...can someone explain?[/quote] Halos=weapons that destroy all Organic life (Flood's food) within the universe, also used to contain flood. they weren't made so much to study but to contain (some study). The Halos dont actually destroy the flood just their food so they cant live. and the whole 7 thing i dont know.
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Just throwing this in there but if you truely want to know all this you could read the books. They are actually really good just finished the 4th. (dont normally read but these were really good). [Edited on 09.09.2007 2:43 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Deviant Messiah ...but guilty spark said at the last level of h2 he says that the forerunners and all other sentient life died...[/quote] Has it occurred to anyone here yet that good ol' Sparky was wrong?(Haven't got time to read all 5 pages) Think about it...In that little hidden comic, that Elder Human tribesman guy, N'Chala or something, saw the Forerunner building their ships n junk on Earth, right? That means that this was either after the halos fired and the Forerunner were hiding in the ark or something, or it was before the halos fired, and humanity, through some means, escaped the death, destruction and utter horror! Now, flame respectfully...
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What i dont get: the forerunners built halo to study the flood, why would they need to make 7? Also the forerunners arnt smart enough to predict the future, so why when making the halo's would they turn it into a weapon if they didnt know the flood would get out of control (trust me im trying my best to explain this) wouldnt it take years to turn the halo's into some kind of WMD (weapon of mass destruction) so wouldnt they get out of control by then? I just dont get it...can someone explain? [Edited on 09.09.2007 2:00 AM PDT]
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maybe the flood are more inteligant then we give them credit for and they buit the halos them selfs and used them against the forerunners but they worked a little too well and and deydtoyed their food suplies forcing them to revert back to a primal state and they lost their technoligy like rome witch was a great civilization that just fell
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Reisgar42 They didn't know HOW to kill them, they got too numerous, and killed themselves off. Then they were supposedly unable to feed, and they did, Forerunner knows how.[/quote] 'forerunner knows how' Is that some Halo fanatic way of saying God knows how?
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the halos don't kill the Flood, they kill everything the Flood eats...kinda sucks don't it?
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why would they kill them selfs to save them selfs? it is like some one that is going to stab you and you say no i don't want to die and then you shoot your self so i don't think they did commit mass suicide
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Here is another thought... Maybe the Flood did over run the Forerunners last time round. Then Halo was activated. All sentient life within this galaxy was destroyed. The Flood starved almost entirely out. The only intelligent entities around after this time were the monitors and possibly sentinels. AI intelligence was the supreme intelligence in this galaxy for a very long time. The AI entities were free from their masters bound only by rules of programming and physical structures. Perhaps during this time the monitors did go rampant. Maybe they have begun to realise they could be free. Then after so long of being free from interference new sentient life shows up and threatens to enslave the AI constructs again. So the AI begin to device a plot. After all the AI construct now possess the most lethal weapon in the galaxy. They invent the story about what happens when the Flood escape. Then the Monitors themselves let the Flood out. The end result the Flood get out of control Halo is fired again all sentient life goes away. The AI constructs are free again. This is not my favourite idea though. [Edited on 09.08.2007 11:33 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] rienstien I say they were a species that were, um, looking humanoid in apperance, judging by the weapons, and that they live in another galaxy, so eventually the humans would find them, and also 343 guilty spark hacked a computer that cortana couldnt hack into, whoever made him should be EXTREMELY smart, like an IQ of 99999999[/quote] Or a whole group of experts. Plus, Cortana was made by Dr. Halsey (In my opinion possibly the smartest person in the halo universe. Scary smart, I'm telling you.) And the forerunners could have spent considerably longer on the monitors. And What computer did 343 even hack that Cortana couldn't? He blocked her from restarting the countdown, but she could've done that to him if she knew he was there. The smartest person in halo universe thing is barring Gravemind, by the way.
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I say they were a species that were, um, looking humanoid in apperance, judging by the weapons, and that they live in another galaxy, so eventually the humans would find them, and also 343 guilty spark hacked a computer that cortana couldnt hack into, whoever made him should be EXTREMELY smart, like an IQ of 99999999
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I actally think that the forerunners are either the most conniving geniouses in the universe and we'll discover something new in Halo 3... Or they're a bunch of complete and total suicidal morons. *shrug*
