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8/14/2007 4:42:15 PM
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Did Bungie Lie To Us? Halo 3 doesn't look like what they promised. Its true
Ok.. so when the game HALO 3 was first announed, there was a documentary video came out on the MarketPlace and I believe its still there. And the dev were like "Thats Halo 3, thats how its going to look like, that is the engine". But now when you compare the screen shots.
Halo 3 doesn't look like anything like the first video.
You be the judge.
[url=http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/videogames/detail-page/halo3-3-lg.jpg]The first time when they showed Halo 3. Some said it didn't wow them, but for most of us it did. This truly was Next-Gen.[/url]
[url=http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/746/746139/halo-3-20061115020352719.jpg]The second image revealed. Nothing close to the first one. The shine is gone, the visor is just plain yellow image with lines. You cant see your own refections through it like before. Armour didn't look like it did before, its way too edgy and sharp ends.[/url]
[url=http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/803/803187/halo-3-20070711001713324.jpg]What we are getting now, the damage on the armour is completely lowered down in texture. Its not like, Chief got hurt in the battle, but more like a copy/paste job. The detail from the first image is completely gone. Its more like someone pasted some images on the chief. This is what we are getting[/url]
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After seeing a screen shot closeup of the new texture, I don't think the problem is low res texture or bump mapping (whichever one does the scratches) I think the problem is you can't seee the detail until you are close up. If they made it so that you could see scratches from farther away, added some metallic damage and darkened the blacks a little bit than it would be perfect. The scratches ARE there, you just can't see them. If you aren't really close [url=http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/5434/bumpmappingsu2.jpg]Proof[/url]
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Why are graphics now the issue? They are great. And posting different quality pictures does not prove anything other than the attempts to try to find problems where none exist. Those picture are different when it comes to size, and it is a commonly known fact that when you resize larger images into smaller ones, you lose detail. So of course the pictures you link us too will make us think one way. If people really want to see the graphic quality of Halo 3, look at the Quicktime movie images of the Spartan permutations or the flamethrower.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] El Senor [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadowx117 I'm pretty sure if they just made everything more defined and less fuzzy it would look like 20% better. All I did here was change the darkness of the blacks. I can't get the pictures any larger, not sure how other people do it but even in these small pics you can tell that the altered one looks more crisp. [url=http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/shadowx117/H3CRO.png]Original[/url] [url=http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/shadowx117/H3CR2.png]Altered[/url] The original blacks on the suit look washed out, but by making them a little darker and changing contrast VERY slightly in some places you gat a cripser clearer image and you can tell that the armor looks 3D now and the darkness emphasizes the fact that the black parts are set back farther than the metal parts. Opinions please?[/quote] I can't see the difference, but both look awesome. I love that screen shot, both MC and the marines look totally kickass[/quote] Unfortunately I can't show the pics in their native size, the difference is very obvious there, but are the pictures seriously indistinguishable to you?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadowx117 I'm pretty sure if they just made everything more defined and less fuzzy it would look like 20% better. All I did here was change the darkness of the blacks. I can't get the pictures any larger, not sure how other people do it but even in these small pics you can tell that the altered one looks more crisp. [url=http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/shadowx117/H3CRO.png]Original[/url] [url=http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/shadowx117/H3CR2.png]Altered[/url] The original blacks on the suit look washed out, but by making them a little darker and changing contrast VERY slightly in some places you gat a cripser clearer image and you can tell that the armor looks 3D now and the darkness emphasizes the fact that the black parts are set back farther than the metal parts. Opinions please?[/quote] Hm... At first I couldn't tell the difference. I don't like the altered version because it doesn't fit the rest. I think the texture on MC needs higher res is all. Perhaps a bit darker color as well. The odd thing is, the Multiplayer variants/colors look better then MC :-/ to me at least.... I don't know though. Now I'm not sure. I definitely do not want the statue back but something about the new MC doesn't look right. [Edited on 08.16.2007 1:04 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadowx117 I'm pretty sure if they just made everything more defined and less fuzzy it would look like 20% better. All I did here was change the darkness of the blacks. I can't get the pictures any larger, not sure how other people do it but even in these small pics you can tell that the altered one looks more crisp. [url=http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/shadowx117/H3CRO.png]Original[/url] [url=http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/shadowx117/H3CR2.png]Altered[/url] The original blacks on the suit look washed out, but by making them a little darker and changing contrast VERY slightly in some places you gat a cripser clearer image and you can tell that the armor looks 3D now and the darkness emphasizes the fact that the black parts are set back farther than the metal parts. Opinions please?[/quote] I can't see the difference, but both look awesome. I love that screen shot, both MC and the marines look totally kickass
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[b] Ahahahaha you're complaining about a texture that they changed. They changed that Texture for the best too, He used to look like he was a chipped up cement statue!. If you didn't notice, the game itself looks better then ANYTHING we have ever seen before. I don't even understand why this topic has that yellow thing beside it. This topic is GARBAGE.[/b]
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I'm pretty sure if they just made everything more defined and less fuzzy it would look like 20% better. All I did here was change the darkness of the blacks. I can't get the pictures any larger, not sure how other people do it but even in these small pics you can tell that the altered one looks more crisp. [url=http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/shadowx117/H3CRO.png]Original[/url] [url=http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/shadowx117/H3CR2.png]Altered[/url] The original blacks on the suit look washed out, but by making them a little darker and changing contrast VERY slightly in some places you gat a cripser clearer image and you can tell that the armor looks 3D now and the darkness emphasizes the fact that the black parts are set back farther than the metal parts. Opinions please?
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Dude, do you need a 101 in the English language? Get it through your damned, thick skull. "This is what Halo 3 is going to look like." Not, "This is what Master Chief is going to look like." For crying out loud. What in the world is your problem?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mak G Snake [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xegrot Why do you keep looking at these older screens and saying they're final?[/quote] Cause thats what they promised....and now they have an excuse that "THE ARTISTS PREFERRED"the flat metal texture. Its just an excuse...thats what it seems like. Which isn't right. Admitting is stage one.[/quote] Admitting is stage one.... Maybe it's about time that you admitted that the artists preferred the flat metal texture, and that bungie isn't lying (I prefer the new texture, why can't they?). Get over yourself. [Edited on 08.16.2007 12:56 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xegrot Why do you keep looking at these older screens and saying they're final?[/quote] Cause thats what they promised....and now they have an excuse that "THE ARTISTS PREFERRED"the flat metal texture. Its just an excuse...thats what it seems like. Which isn't right. Admitting is stage one.
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who cares what it looks like? gameplay is all that matters, and still it looks kickass
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xegrot Why do you keep looking at these older screens and saying they're final?[/quote] Cuz he dumb.
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Why do you keep looking at these older screens and saying they're final?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BTE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mak G Snake [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RoundeyeSamurai DId they actually say "This is how it is going to look like"??? Did they use the term "Promise"? Did they also say that the Mjolnir armour was made out of hammered concrete? This is getting confusing!![/quote] Yeah... they said "THIS IS THE ENGINE, THIS IS HALO 3, THIS IS HOW ITS GOING TO LOOK LIKE"...... but it doesn't. They should admit their mistake. not come up with an excuse that "the artists preferred the flat metal texture".. And its not only about the texture, but the whole master chief....... look at his arms and his black section of the suit and hit helmet............all that looked amazing in the first image. its just wow. TRULY NEXT GEN. but now its HALO 2.5................ with HD graphics. I mean... the game is going to look really good.. and its going to play like heaven.....and I will be online... atleast 10 hours a day................ but again........it could have been much much better and more of an eye candy..... then what it is now. Did bungie just lie to us?[/quote] 1. Graphics look better in cutscenes. 2. Graphically, it looks the same. Its just a damn texture, get over it. I also liked the E3 2006 concrete look but it maked sence to change it.[/quote] I dont know man. It seems like you are just forcing your self to convince yourself that the graphics now are more reasonable. They aren't. And if you watch "Halo 3: The Beginning".. at 6:56... they said.. "This is the game, this is the engine. This is what Halo 3 is gonna look like"... BULL$#IT.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mak G Snake [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RoundeyeSamurai DId they actually say "This is how it is going to look like"??? Did they use the term "Promise"? Did they also say that the Mjolnir armour was made out of hammered concrete? This is getting confusing!![/quote] Yeah... they said "THIS IS THE ENGINE, THIS IS HALO 3, THIS IS HOW ITS GOING TO LOOK LIKE"...... but it doesn't. They should admit their mistake. not come up with an excuse that "the artists preferred the flat metal texture".. And its not only about the texture, but the whole master chief....... look at his arms and his black section of the suit and hit helmet............all that looked amazing in the first image. its just wow. TRULY NEXT GEN. but now its HALO 2.5................ with HD graphics. I mean... the game is going to look really good.. and its going to play like heaven.....and I will be online... atleast 10 hours a day................ but again........it could have been much much better and more of an eye candy..... then what it is now. Did bungie just lie to us?[/quote] 1. Graphics look better in cutscenes. 2. Graphically, it looks the same. Its just a damn texture, get over it. I also liked the E3 2006 concrete look but it maked sence to change it.
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I've read that those are old screens, which they are. Maybe they have changed a bit since then. Who knows.. Let's wait and see. Also, yeah, they lied a bit but they did not lie about the awesomeness.I honestly thought at the time('06) that was how the game was going to look like but I forgot about that and saw the new shots of Halo 3('07) and I was amazed by the awesomeness then too, so I don't care either way :D. I'm still paying 70 buck for the limited edition and enjoying the game.. [url]http://spong.com/detail/editorial.jsp?eid=10109638&cid=&tid=&pid=&plid=&page=4[/url] [quote] [b]Phil Spencer:[/b] It’s one of the first things we did with the 360. Obviously, our launch first-person shooter was Perfect Dark Zero, then the following year, we came out with Gears of War, which looks beautiful. [b]But if you know Gears, you can see how we made it look like that – you don’t see environments like you see in Halo.[/b] You saw the multi-player level – that’s the largest multi-player level we’ve ever built. It seems like a single-player level, it’s that big, and you have these huge tanks moving around – that’s the power we have in the box. Waiting and getting it right – we weren’t there at launch, and we weren’t there that first big holiday – that allowed us to get the power out of the Xbox 360.[/quote] Just saying..... Edit: clarified something. [Edited on 08.16.2007 12:16 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mak G Snake [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RoundeyeSamurai DId they actually say "This is how it is going to look like"??? Did they use the term "Promise"? Did they also say that the Mjolnir armour was made out of hammered concrete? This is getting confusing!![/quote] Yeah... they said "THIS IS THE ENGINE, THIS IS HALO 3, THIS IS HOW ITS GOING TO LOOK LIKE"...... but it doesn't. They should admit their mistake. not come up with an excuse that "the artists preferred the flat metal texture".. And its not only about the texture, but the whole master chief....... look at his arms and his black section of the suit and hit helmet............all that looked amazing in the first image. its just wow. TRULY NEXT GEN. but now its HALO 2.5................ with HD graphics. I mean... the game is going to look really good.. and its going to play like heaven.....and I will be online... atleast 10 hours a day................ but again........it could have been much much better and more of an eye candy..... then what it is now. Did bungie just lie to us?[/quote] [url=http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo3/Screenshots/H3_E307_3P04.jpg]Nope.[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mak G Snake [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RoundeyeSamurai DId they actually say "This is how it is going to look like"??? Did they use the term "Promise"? Did they also say that the Mjolnir armour was made out of hammered concrete? This is getting confusing!![/quote] Yeah... they said "THIS IS THE ENGINE, THIS IS HALO 3, THIS IS HOW ITS GOING TO LOOK LIKE"...... but it doesn't. They should admit their mistake. not come up with an excuse that "the artists preferred the flat metal texture".. And its not only about the texture, but the whole master chief....... look at his arms and his black section of the suit and hit helmet............all that looked amazing in the first image. its just wow. TRULY NEXT GEN. but now its HALO 2.5................ with HD graphics. I mean... the game is going to look really good.. and its going to play like heaven.....and I will be online... atleast 10 hours a day................ but again........it could have been much much better and more of an eye candy..... then what it is now. Did bungie just lie to us?[/quote] Did you bother to read my text...? Well, doesn't matter whether or not you read it anyways. You're skull is too thick. [Edited on 08.16.2007 12:10 PM PDT]
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Just go to XBOX LIVE marketplace. and then click on Game Videos, and then ALL VIDEOS... and then HALO 3 and download.. "Halo 3: In the Beginning". video... its there.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RoundeyeSamurai DId they actually say "This is how it is going to look like"??? Did they use the term "Promise"? Did they also say that the Mjolnir armour was made out of hammered concrete? This is getting confusing!![/quote] Yeah... they said "THIS IS THE ENGINE, THIS IS HALO 3, THIS IS HOW ITS GOING TO LOOK LIKE"...... but it doesn't. They should admit their mistake. not come up with an excuse that "the artists preferred the flat metal texture".. And its not only about the texture, but the whole master chief....... look at his arms and his black section of the suit and hit helmet............all that looked amazing in the first image. its just wow. TRULY NEXT GEN. but now its HALO 2.5................ with HD graphics. I mean... the game is going to look really good.. and its going to play like heaven.....and I will be online... atleast 10 hours a day................ but again........it could have been much much better and more of an eye candy..... then what it is now. Did bungie just lie to us?
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They don't PROMISE you stuff. But they did say "This is how Halo 3 is going to look." Things get CHANGED during developement. If they say the Arstists PREFERRED a certain type of texture, then that's what they PREFERRED. Bungie isn't trying to hide something, you're just upset cause you don't have your precious concrete texutre. That's what they wanted, so they're sticking with it. Things change in developement. Some things get left out, others take their place. Kinda like the Mongoose for Halo 2... except it didn't get replaced. Bungie has evened out their time really well this time around. They aren't going to show off everything in the game just before release. They want to keep you in suspense to see what the ACTUAL game looks like. Quit going back to the old stuff and focus on what's new. It'll be better than dwelling on what could have been, because who knows? Maybe it will turn out BETTER than the 06 stuff.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mak G Snake [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mak G Snake I dont need proof. Its just there. Why did bungie do that? ... Giving us hope and then taking it away. The game is going to rock. But it could have been better and truly NEXT GENERATION title. [/quote] Did you even bother to [b]look[/b] at that comparison? Or, are you that stupid?[/quote] Dude, i was never comparing this game to GEARS. I never did. I even mentioned that before in this thread. And I have seen that IGN section and all. All I am saying......how HALO 3 looked before.............when they first showed it to us and saying that "This is HALO 3"..."This is how its going to look like".. and now when the game is going to release, its nothing like that. And the excuse they have is......... "The artists preferred this FLAT METAL TEXTURE". How can they say that? They should come clean with us (the fans) atleast. Like I said before. When the next HALO 4 comes out or whatever in the next gen XBOX console in the next 4 years or so............... suddenly the artists would NEVER prefer the FLAT METAL TEXTURE then......... but the CONCRETE HAMMERED LOOK.............. which they promised.[/quote] You're calling him stupid while talkin about when Halo 4 comes out? Oh yeah, totally forgot about the release date. Which is never. the artists can do whatever style they want. Last time I checked, Halo 3 artist weren't going around and "promising" anything to anyone. In the end, you sound like the kid who wanted a car for his birthday, and got it, but with a different shade of blue instead of the one he wanted, and is now whining and doesn't deserve the car at all.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mak G Snake [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mak G Snake I dont need proof. Its just there. Why did bungie do that? ... Giving us hope and then taking it away. The game is going to rock. But it could have been better and truly NEXT GENERATION title. [/quote] Did you even bother to [b]look[/b] at that comparison? Or, are you that stupid?[/quote] Dude, i was never comparing this game to GEARS. I never did. I even mentioned that before in this thread. And I have seen that IGN section and all. All I am saying......how HALO 3 looked before.............when they first showed it to us and saying that "This is HALO 3"..."This is how its going to look like".. and now when the game is going to release, its nothing like that. And the excuse they have is......... "The artists preferred this FLAT METAL TEXTURE". How can they say that? They should come clean with us (the fans) atleast. Like I said before. When the next HALO 4 comes out or whatever in the next gen XBOX console in the next 4 years or so............... suddenly the artists would NEVER prefer the FLAT METAL TEXTURE then......... but the CONCRETE HAMMERED LOOK.............. which they promised.[/quote] How do you know there's a Halo 4? How do you know that, then, they'll prefer that concrete look? You don't. So stop saying random crap. I don't remember them promising you anything either. They didn't say, "Oh, we PROMISE that Master Chief will look exactly like this." They said the trailer was made with their actual game engine. They were showcasing the graphical power of their engine. The fact that in that trailer there was nothing but dirt, and that ark, far off in the distance, what would they showcase the graphics on? Master Chief, of course. And, you ever stop to think why his armor doesn't have metallic scratches to it? Ever think that maybe his armor isn't just painted green on the outside? Maybe, it's made out of some compound and the entire armor is green. Maybe, just maybe.[/quote] Maybe they use chip resistance non-glare paint! I know it would be old technology for them, but hey it is effective today! [Edited on 08.16.2007 11:58 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mak G Snake [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mak G Snake I dont need proof. Its just there. Why did bungie do that? ... Giving us hope and then taking it away. The game is going to rock. But it could have been better and truly NEXT GENERATION title. [/quote] Did you even bother to [b]look[/b] at that comparison? Or, are you that stupid?[/quote] Dude, i was never comparing this game to GEARS. I never did. I even mentioned that before in this thread. And I have seen that IGN section and all. All I am saying......how HALO 3 looked before.............when they first showed it to us and saying that "This is HALO 3"..."This is how its going to look like".. and now when the game is going to release, its nothing like that. And the excuse they have is......... "The artists preferred this FLAT METAL TEXTURE". How can they say that? They should come clean with us (the fans) atleast. Like I said before. When the next HALO 4 comes out or whatever in the next gen XBOX console in the next 4 years or so............... suddenly the artists would NEVER prefer the FLAT METAL TEXTURE then......... but the CONCRETE HAMMERED LOOK.............. which they promised.[/quote] How do you know there's a Halo 4? How do you know that, then, they'll prefer that concrete look? You don't. So stop saying random crap. I don't remember them promising you anything either. They didn't say, "Oh, we PROMISE that Master Chief will look exactly like this." They said the trailer was made with their actual game engine. They were showcasing the graphical power of their engine. The fact that in that trailer there was nothing but dirt, and that ark, far off in the distance, what would they showcase the graphics on? Master Chief, of course. And, you ever stop to think why his armor doesn't have metallic scratches to it? Ever think that maybe his armor isn't just painted green on the outside? Maybe, it's made out of some compound and the entire armor is green. Maybe, just maybe.
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DId they actually say "This is how it is going to look like"??? Did they use the term "Promise"? Did they also say that the Mjolnir armour was made out of hammered concrete? This is getting confusing!! [Edited on 08.16.2007 11:56 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mak G Snake I dont need proof. Its just there. Why did bungie do that? ... Giving us hope and then taking it away. The game is going to rock. But it could have been better and truly NEXT GENERATION title. [/quote] Did you even bother to [b]look[/b] at that comparison? Or, are you that stupid?[/quote] Dude, i was never comparing this game to GEARS. I never did. I even mentioned that before in this thread. And I have seen that IGN section and all. All I am saying......how HALO 3 looked before.............when they first showed it to us and saying that "This is HALO 3"..."This is how its going to look like".. and now when the game is going to release, its nothing like that. And the excuse they have is......... "The artists preferred this FLAT METAL TEXTURE". How can they say that? They should come clean with us (the fans) atleast. Like I said before. When the next HALO 4 comes out or whatever in the next gen XBOX console in the next 4 years or so............... suddenly the artists would NEVER prefer the FLAT METAL TEXTURE then......... but the CONCRETE HAMMERED LOOK.............. which they promised.
