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7/27/2007 8:03:26 PM
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Why are only Humans and Elites infected by flood?
In the Halo 2 i noticed the Flood don't infect jackals, grunts bugs, brutes or Hunters. They only infect Elites and Humans. Im wondering what is it about Humans and Elites that makes the flood's mouth water so much? I just so happened to attend a biotechnology camp this week and the instructor reminded me that Our DNA is about 98% close to that of a chimpanzee, and and i learned shockingly 96% close to that of a mouse (check me on that if im wrong, im going on the word of my professor at the camp). So theres this small but significant change in DNA that makes species on earth different. Im wondering what tiny percentage range do Elites and Humans fall under that makes them attractive to flood. Looking at the server 3 videos and such my thoughts have been confirmed that the Flood aren't some mindless virus(also confirmed by Grave mind). They have some intelligence, is it because of the cognitive ability of Elites and Humans? arent Brutes and the Prophets just as smart? Oddly enough it seemed like the prophet that tarturus left behind wasnt being infected but rather he was just being eaten, at least in my eye. But then again, Gravemind had that one prophet pretty much fused or at least in some kinda egg thing. Now that i think about it, wtf did the flood do to Captain Keyes? Is that how they infect someone they view at a VIP that they need information from?
I had this idea that since it looks like the Forerunners were around with the flood back in the day, i wonder if the flood instinctively or maybe by choice infect forerunners, or in our case present day those closest to forerunner DNA. Again, us today have DNA only 4% different than that of mice, im wondering if its even less when it comes to Humans/Elites. I know both species look so different, but then again so do Chimps and us.
What do yall think?
Anyways are there any theories on this at all? point me in the right direction .
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1 ReplyI think it's because they have sufficient biomass. Grunt's and bugger's are to small, as are jackals. I just don't know about the brutes.
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I've always wondered the same thing, and I have an answer as far as hunters go. The Hunter is not one solid mass, it is actually thousands of small, worm like creatures working as a whole. Those can take any shape, size etc. (random fact: the Hunter form is actually the most rare). So, a flood cannot infect a hunter, as one: it would take a lot, seeing as how there are thousands of them, and two: even if the flood could, it would take too long, and by that point, the other hunter/covenant could just kill the new flood. As for brutes, i think they kill themselves. Or they aren't smart enough, and end up killing the flood and themselves. Or they get killed by fellow brutes. As for grunts and jackals, I'm pretty sure an elite would just kill the infected grunt/jackal, it's easy, and it's not a big problem. Buggers, who knows. Anyways, hope that helped as far as hunters go. the others are just guesses.
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The flood need to find a frequincy that matches your brains to control your body so maybe the Brutes are intelligent but have a primative brain structure that the Flood can't find a frequincy for.
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Grunts turn into those exploding baloon heads
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PFDRINSTR maybe they cant get a dna match with them.[/quote] I think that this is true because if the elites and forerunners are closer to the forerunners than the other races and maybe when the forerunners created the flood they were used to matching the dna of elites and humans.
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Jackals, Grunts, and bugs are too small to sustainthe flood. Hunters are made up of thousands of eels and are a colony so they can't be infected. I think They just didn't show Brutes being infected they wanted to wait until halo3 to show them because now they are our main enemies. I think they should be able to get infected, they are big enough and are "smart" enough to be infected The flood should be able to infect them because they are sentinent life forms.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gamebeast0 In the Halo 2 i noticed the Flood don't infect jackals, grunts bugs, brutes or Hunters. They only infect Elites and Humans. Im wondering what is it about Humans and Elites that makes the flood's mouth water so much? I just so happened to attend a biotechnology camp this week and the instructor reminded me that Our DNA is about 98% close to that of a chimpanzee, and and i learned shockingly 96% close to that of a mouse (check me on that if im wrong, im going on the word of my professor at the camp). So theres this small but significant change in DNA that makes species on earth different. Im wondering what tiny percentage range do Elites and Humans fall under that makes them attractive to flood. Looking at the server 3 videos and such my thoughts have been confirmed that the Flood aren't some mindless virus(also confirmed by Grave mind). They have some intelligence, is it because of the cognitive ability of Elites and Humans? arent Brutes and the Prophets just as smart? Oddly enough it seemed like the prophet that tarturus left behind wasnt being infected but rather he was just being eaten, at least in my eye. But then again, Gravemind had that one prophet pretty much fused or at least in some kinda egg thing. Now that i think about it, wtf did the flood do to Captain Keyes? Is that how they infect someone they view at a VIP that they need information from? I had this idea that since it looks like the Forerunners were around with the flood back in the day, i wonder if the flood instinctively or maybe by choice infect forerunners, or in our case present day those closest to forerunner DNA. Again, us today have DNA only 4% different than that of mice, im wondering if its even less when it comes to Humans/Elites. I know both species look so different, but then again so do Chimps and us. What do yall think? Anyways are there any theories on this at all? point me in the right direction . [/quote] Simple smaller species such as Jackals and Grunts are small, weak and frail which is not good for combat so when taken over by a Flood Infection Form they are immediatly transformed into a Carrier Form. Brutes on the other hand should be able to become Flood so your guess is as good as mine. Brutes are smart enought to pilot starships and to command troops so dont say they are to dumb and if i shoot it there becomes an opening in the skin so don't say the flood can't penetrate the Brutes skin. [Edited on 07.27.2007 3:54 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ellis12c jackels are 6ft tall same as an averageish human [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alchemy786 I think it's because they have sufficient biomass. Grunt's and bugger's are to small, as are jackals. I just don't know about the brutes.[/quote][/quote] I think he meant too weak.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gamebeast0 Oh and can you see the grunts and or jackels become carrier forms in the game? i never have, i was jw thatd be a sweet site. Its always cool watching a marine or Elite get infected. Another thing tho, i still find it strange about the two other kinds of infection we've seen besides the attack forms. The first with the giant flood flesh ball that Captain Keyes was wrapped in during Halo 1 and then the second with the prophet in Halo 2 with gravemind. Thats just to gain information?[/quote] Yes.
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jackels are 6ft tall same as an averageish human [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alchemy786 I think it's because they have sufficient biomass. Grunt's and bugger's are to small, as are jackals. I just don't know about the brutes.[/quote]
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Oh and can you see the grunts and or jackels become carrier forms in the game? i never have, i was jw thatd be a sweet site. Its always cool watching a marine or Elite get infected. Another thing tho, i still find it strange about the two other kinds of infection we've seen besides the attack forms. The first with the giant flood flesh ball that Captain Keyes was wrapped in during Halo 1 and then the second with the prophet in Halo 2 with gravemind. Thats just to gain information?
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Prophets turn into flood too.
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A fruit fly's DNA is similar to ours as well, i think its around 96%, my professor at the camp i mentioned in the initial post of the topic also told me that. I understand what you're saying but maybe the Elite's is closer.
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Flood hunter I came...
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its a good point, DNA could be very similar. Having said that, the brutes seem like mammals of a kind so surly their DNA is closer to ours than an elites who seem reptillian.
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go read the halo books. it explains everything samurai just said.
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Okay.... Elites/Humans posses sufficient calcium, biomass, and phisical aptitude to function as combat forms. Drones don't have enough calcuim because they are bug-ish and insects have very little calcium. Grunts/jakals posses sufficient biomass, but are not big or strong enough to be combat forms, so they become carrier forms Brutes supposedly lack sufficient brain function to sustain a flood form. Prophets are hard to get but can be infected. The flood do not use them for combat, but rather information Hunters are made up of lots of eels that, individually, cannot support flood life. Thus, they cannot be infected. I hope that helps.
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i dont think bungie was too lazy to program brute flood in. them not having enough time sounds more reasonable, i dont think bungie would leave something out of a game unless they had a good reason.
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Well the Gravemind did absorb one of the prophets in Halo 2. Grunts, Jackals, and Drones might not have sufficient biomass as mentioned, or they could simply be used for something we haven't seen. Maybe they just eat them or use them for the gravemind since they're too frail to fight. Brutes didn't get infected in Halo 2 because they were added in a bit late, the game was rushed, and they didn't get the models in.
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Brutes can be flood, they just aren't in the games, yet. The whole thing about their skin being too thick is complete BS. A bullet wound or grenade blast would easily tear open the skin, and the flood could just crawl in the mouth anyways.
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I honestly think that brutes cant be infected becuase bungie was too lazy/didnt have enoug time to put them in,
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Yea, it says somewhere in one of the books that the flood only infect humans and elites because they are of sufficient biomass and have well-versed cognitive abilities.
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Because Bungie can't design 7-10 different flood forms and have them all be unique enough to be worth putting in the game. BTW: Grunt go right to Carrier form, because they are too weak to fight. Drones are insects, they have hard exoskelections and may be Hive-minded like ants, which could interfere with the flooding process Brutes haven't had much combat with the flood outside of the 5 minute stint through High Charity. So we don't know if they are floodable or not. Jackals may go Carrier like the Grunts do... or they may be to reptillian to be infected. Prophets can be infected, they just don't become combat forms, at least not that we know of...
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I thought they used grunts for carrier forms?
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jackals,grunts,buggers = too small and weak to be a combat form. hunters arent one single organism, they are a hive creature made up of a bunch of big orange worm/eel things. the flood need a single nervous system to turn, hunters have too many nervous systems. and no one knows why brutes dont turn into flood. i heard somewhere that their skin is too thick for the flood to penetrate.
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maybe they cant get a dna match with them.
