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7/20/2007 8:45:55 PM
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Why did Regret leave Earth in such a rush?
In a bit of insomnia last night, I was wondering, why did the Prophet of Regret leave Earth so quickly? Is it safe to assume that he was looking for the Ark? If so, why did he leave without fully uncovering it? And why leave to Delta Halo?
I think it may be too much of a coincidence that after the Prophet of Regret left Earth in such a rush to end up on Delta Halo, where Gravemind resided.
My half assed theory: the Covies discovered the location of Delta Halo on some artifact within the Ark, and it stated that Delta Halo had some kind of significance.
I dunno, anyone else got an idea?
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he probably found the halo and needed to get there lickety split
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zagashi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dr Avinger At least in part, Regret did a slipspace jump to wipe out Mombasa, so that the Covenant could more quickly and more easily get to the Ark/structure we see in the E3 '06 trailer.[/quote] Regret did that by accident, In know way did he know of the Ark. [/quote] They knew SOMETHING was there, or the Scarabs (digging machines, not war machines) would not have been there. Yes, Regret may have left Earth early because of fresh intel, but I seriosuly doubt it was threat of attack. Did you see the size of the Covenant ship versus the size of In Amber Clad? They had plenty more where that came from. My guess is Regret's ship was supposed to slip by the Mac guns (that's why only ONE of the ships tried to slip the defenses) and dig up the Ark. When it became apparent that there would be some resistance, they simply took the shortcut of a near-ground slipspace jump. The plan was likely always to go to Delta Halo, but the Covenant felt they needed recapture the Oracle (Arbiter mission) to do so. That's why the entire Covenant fleet + High Charity wasn't at Delta Halo yet...they had to wait for the Arbiter to kill the Heretic and take back GS 343. Why the necessity of getting Guilty Spark? Simple: they couldn't FIND the monitor for Delta Halo, because Gravemind had him. The reason Truth leaves with the Forerunner ship is to reach the now-exposed Ark (due to the slipspace jump) before Tartaraus fires Delta Halo. Remember, the Forerunner ship in the chronology of the story likely arrives at Earth BEFORE Delta Halo is attempted to be fired.
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rush hour 2 was playin at highcharity that night
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He forgot his cheezy poofs.
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he left earth because he didn't expect us to be living here, we kicked his ass so he left. and just another Idea, he did a slipspace jump inside Mombosa because it would level the city and give the diging crews a start on uncovering the ark.
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Wow, you never get many posts like that, provides facts and reasons. I like it, that makes sense.
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to beat the traffic?
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Regret jumped the gun when he came to Earth. He was to eager for his own good. Basically he charged in guns blazing and started a war on humanities home world. His forces were small and he was supposed to be going to find the Ark. Basically I think Truth is really annoyed because Regret lead humanity to the Ark. Though we didn't know it at the time. Regret knew Truth wanted him punished. So Regret ran off to find another Halo and try to impress Truth. Unfortunately for Regret some humans tagged along. Regret probably thought any humans would not be able to follow him. Miranda Keyes actually rode on the slipspace wake of Regrets ship hence was able to travel at the same speed. Regret wouldn't have even thought to notice a pesky little frigate nearby. Regret possibly learned about Delta Halo after approaching the site of the Ark and possibly encountering some Forerunner structure or signal. I am also thinking Regret may also have found something near Jupiter. If you recall just before the Covies arrived at Earth Cortana reported detecting whispers near Io. Io is a moon around Jupiter which happens to be a gas giant. We know that Alpha Halo was orbiting a gas giant. Perhaps Regret learned something from the Alpha Halo data. Maybe he found another Halo or at least a Forerunner installation (probably a Halo) around Jupiter which in turn gave information about the Ark. It is well known that the Covenant have a means of ultra accurate and fast slipspace travel. So why not simply slipspace straight to Earth why stop near Jupiter first? It just seems a bit odd unless Regret intended to go there. In Ghosts of Onyx we see the Covenant are fully capable of extremely accurate slipsace jumps so it is unlikely Regret stopped at Jupiter for no reason. He seemed ever so anxious to get to the Ark when he ignored the human defences he seemed to be in a hurry. Yet he took the time to stop at Jupiter first. As mentioned I think the stop at Jupiter was deliberate and not something Bungie has really explained or even mentioned much about (hence it might be significant). Regret may have already known about Delta Halo before he even arrived at Earth but he figured the Ark was more important at the time. Yes Delta Halo is important. Hmmm makes you wonder why eh? As for the Gravemind being on Delta Halo well maybe that is the reason. Maybe the Forerunners saw Graveminds as a way to control the Flood. Possibly one was kept in stasis on Delta Halo. If so then the Covenant could possibly control the Flood. Just a few thoughts. [Edited on 07.22.2007 4:05 AM PDT]
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U actually lost sleep over a video game? i think maybe people are taking this a tad too seriously
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KillerDope No no I think this guy is onto something. I mean, why did they try to attack Earth at all with that pathetic force? When we begin the story in Halo 3 the Earth is practically obliterated - they've nearly taken over. If the Covenant have the ability to override our planet like that, then why not do it in the first place? And yes, why leave so quickly? I wondered this as soon as I played Halo 2. Why is the battle on Earth so brief? Why did they bring so few Covenant for their big "attack"? Why did Cortana say that "they're not expecting us to be here. Not you (MC)....humanity on Earth." There must have been something significant about Delta Halo, possibly related to Gravemind, but do you really think they would have left like that if they KNEW the Ark was located on Earth?[/quote] Maybe he left because he found out that earth had that ark and tried to call for back up/
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He had to potty.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Mad Villager Fun night, eh? [quote][i]bow chicka bow wow[/i][/quote] Haha...anywho, yeah, Bungie knows what they're doing, and everything will be solved by the credits of Halo 3. ....unless they'll do a spin-off series, "Arbiter and the Chief", a sitcom with two roomates trying to survive in New York City! [end stupid joke][/quote] Hahaha! I might actually watch that!
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Yea my fault I got the two prophets mixed up. I thought the thread was referring to Truth leaving to Earth at the end of Halo 2.
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When regret came to earth, he didn't know it was the human homeworld, so he didn't bring that many people. he left to gather more troops and come back, which is why there is a huge fleet in the older H3 trailer.
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Fun night, eh? [quote][i]bow chicka bow wow[/i][/quote] Haha...anywho, yeah, Bungie knows what they're doing, and everything will be solved by the credits of Halo 3. ....unless they'll do a spin-off series, "Arbiter and the Chief", a sitcom with two roomates trying to survive in New York City! [end stupid joke]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Mad Villager [quote]In a bit of insomnia last night, I was wondering, why did the Prophet of Regret leave Earth so quickly? Is it safe to assume that he was looking for the Ark? If so, why did he leave without fully uncovering it? And why leave to Delta Halo? I think it may be too much of a coincidence that after the Prophet of Regret left Earth in such a rush to end up on Delta Halo, where Gravemind resided. My half assed theory: the Covies discovered the location of Delta Halo on some artifact within the Ark, and it stated that Delta Halo had some kind of significance. I dunno, anyone else got an idea?[/quote] I thought that I may be able to share ideas with you. So, I started a topic some time ago [url]http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=11301835[/url] about if maybe the Ark was somewhere below/near where Regret's carrier was situated. If so, perhaps both our theories can prove each other. Who knows? Check it out, and get back to me with any feedback. Thanks.[/quote] Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but I had a really fun night yesterday! Anyway, I like where you were with this. I really don't think there are any coincidences here, and that Bungie aren't crappy storytellers. I think that all these loose ends will get tied up in H3...I hope...
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It's most likely the reason Regret pulled out was he tried one set of coordinates (Which they may have retrieved from their scan of the stone on Sigma Octanus before the spartans had crashed the party - Halo: The Fall of Reach) which had given them the coordinates for earth, and gotten Regret in over his head, so he figured he'd try another set since in all likelihood he would stumble across another forerunner object of importance which might spare him the wrath of his fellow hierarchs if he found something important to make up for his loss of a fleet. Now, he probably did this jump in all on his own to try and one-up the other prophets to show he is worthy of being one of the hierarchs. He probably stole the information in the first place which is why he was caught with his pants down and almost lost his entire fleet. Truth and Mercy most likely knew (as is supported by the build-up of a fleet in Halo: First Strike). When they found out he jumped the gun and could have found out the truth of their dastardly plan, they got pissed. Which is why they were coming to eliminate him on Delta Halo. The fact that Regret had only some of the information shows how much security Truth and Mercy have over the real facts of Halo.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Hunter1069 Okay here I go again. In the book First Strike, you learn the fact that Covenats learned the location of Earth via a Star map! Regrets Fleet Was meeting at Unyeilding Herophant. Thus making a jump to the milky way galaxy to head to Earth to excavate for holy artifacts. Since the Spartan Group destroyed half of the Station, thats why their was such a small fleet. While being on Earth, Regret had one of two options happen A) He learned of the location of another Halo(A.K.A Delta Halo) B) He feared for his own safety so he ordered his ship too randomly jump into slipspace. [/quote] You're mistaken -- the star map was how the humans knew that the Covenant knew where Earth was. The only thing in First Strike even close to revealing how the Cov. found Earth in First Strike was the Lt. in the Prowler that fled to Earth from Reach that didn't follow the Cole Protocol (flying nowhere, stopping, then changing course to Earth because the Lt. wanted to return to Earth to report what happened ASAP)
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Okay here I go again. In the book First Strike, you learn the fact that Covenats learned the location of Earth via a Star map! Regrets Fleet Was meeting at Unyeilding Herophant. Thus making a jump to the milky way galaxy to head to Earth to excavate for holy artifacts. Since the Spartan Group destroyed half of the Station, thats why their was such a small fleet. While being on Earth, Regret had one of two options happen A) He learned of the location of another Halo(A.K.A Delta Halo) B) He feared for his own safety so he ordered his ship too randomly jump into slipspace.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Blood Drunk [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JustShoveJOB That's the thing -- stories shouldn't require you to over-push things... all these fan-fic writers and forum speculators should be getting paid for writing bungie's story for them.[/quote]
Yeah, and they should start paying Star Trek Trekkies to continue the fan-films. what I'm getting at is that the Halo series' popularity is growing so fast that people will get tired of seeing all of this stuff that they hyped and will actually start scorning it because it will get old and boring. Like Star Trek. get the idea?[/quote] I think star trek lost its charm because it was hijacked by PowerNerds (physics & engineering majors) who detested the last show they did because instead of doing technobabble and droning on about radiation and anti-matter for hours they decided to have drama, a vulcan chick with a huge rack, and stories that weren't beam down, negotiate peacefully, follow prime directives, move on. a lot of people liked First Contact and that was in the late ninties... you can ALWAYS breathe new life into a story (or any kind of brand -- look at how ancient grand papa Coca-Cola is kicking butt with Vitamin Water for gods sake). But what the lord giveth he can taketh away...... that's what is going to happen if halo 3 continues halo 2's lack-luster story. -
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JustShoveJOB That's the thing -- stories shouldn't require you to over-push things... all these fan-fic writers and forum speculators should be getting paid for writing bungie's story for them.[/quote]
Yeah, and they should start paying Star Trek Trekkies to continue the fan-films. what I'm getting at is that the Halo series' popularity is growing so fast that people will get tired of seeing all of this stuff that they hyped and will actually start scorning it because it will get old and boring. Like Star Trek. get the idea? -
because he was about to get his ass kicked. END OF DISCUSSION.
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That's the thing -- stories shouldn't require you to over-push things... all these fan-fic writers and forum speculators should be getting paid for writing bungie's story for them.
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this is why Regret left: 1) Regret did not know Earth was so heavily guarded, thus the low number of troops. Regret went early cause of the Ark whom they(the high counsel) discovered from forerunner artifacts. He wanted the glory of finding it and also taking over Earth. 2) Regret was [b]loosing[/b] the battle on earth. The navy was killing his force and the Demon(MC) was gaining up on Regret. 3) In the mean time, Arbiter finds Guilty Spark and Taurus(sp?) brings it to the High Counsel where Guilty Spark tells of Delta Halo. The Arbiter goes to talk to the high counsel and they tell him that they found a new Halo and their journey will continue. 4) On Delta Halo, Regret begs for forgiveness from the counsel for leaving early. It seems that Regret was actually setup by Prophet of Truth by horrible intel. Also, Prophet of Truth is not only a fanatic but he also knows what the rings can do. Its obvious that he wants to kill everyone off except his race and rule his race by becoming a tyrant. If I'm not mistaken, the Prophets and the Elites had a war long time ago. The Brutes are just used by the counsel to achieve their objective and since the Brutes are blinded idiots, they are disposable, just like every other covenant except the prophets. The prophets want to be the "chosen" race I guess and Forerunners as their gods......I'm just over-pushing it now but whatever.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zagashi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The BS Police [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zagashi Like man... they blew it. Although I don't blame them, I'm sure their first Halo 2(pm me if you want to know about it) was great until Microsoft told them to remake it so they could have a Halo 3 for the 360.[/quote] Actually, Bungie planned to make Halo 3 when Halo 2's development began.[/quote] Oh if you only knew. The original Halo 2 was 9 levels long, had Earth being actually invaded, and finished the last level was named 09_Ark This was the Halo 2 the marketing campaign was designed for, and that the E3 trailer, and the announcement trailer had come from. Halfway through development, they decided to scrap the entire thing, saying it "Wasn't fun" Leaving them with only 10 months to do the Halo 2 as we know it today, with the cliffhanger ending to allow for Halo 3. Just watch the bonus DVD, since you own the collectors edition, you should already know this. [/quote] I am aware of it, but Bungie didn't say Microsoft forced them. Infact, I believe it may have been due to technical limitations rather than Bungie being forced by Microsoft to make a Halo 3 when Bungie was allready planning on making a Halo 3.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The BS Police [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zagashi Like man... they blew it. Although I don't blame them, I'm sure their first Halo 2(pm me if you want to know about it) was great until Microsoft told them to remake it so they could have a Halo 3 for the 360.[/quote] Actually, Bungie planned to make Halo 3 when Halo 2's development began.[/quote] Oh if you only knew. The original Halo 2 was 9 levels long, had Earth being actually invaded, and finished the last level was named 09_Ark This was the Halo 2 the marketing campaign was designed for, and that the E3 trailer, and the announcement trailer had come from. Halfway through development, they decided to scrap the entire thing, saying it "Wasn't fun" Leaving them with only 10 months to do the Halo 2 as we know it today, with the cliffhanger ending to allow for Halo 3. Just watch the bonus DVD, since you own the collectors edition, you should already know this. [Edited on 07.20.2007 10:49 PM PDT]
