[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CVScorp This is not entirely true. Last night both myself and one of my teammates both increased a skill level on different games that we lost. On the game that each one of us was on the loosing team but leveled up, our performance in that game was far above anyone on the other team. So while it it not common to level up in a loss, it is indeed possible.[/quote] Yes but it's not because of your individual performance in the game or being rewarded even though you lost. It may seem that way but it isn't. What happened was your sigma dropped (as it does the more you play) and even though you lost mu (skill) your displayed skill went up. A very simplified example of how this can happen: "Displayed Skill" = Mu - (K * Sigma) Before loss: 7 = 25 - (3 x 6) After loss: 9 = 24 - (3 x 5) You can see your Mu dropped from 25 to 24 because of the loss. You can also see your sigma dropped from 6 to 5 because as you play more games it comes down. So you can see, you lost Mu but your displayed skill level increased from 7 to 9. Again, this is very simplified with nice round numbers just for an example.