[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] somdowns I've read through this thread and the ranking system. It's not much different than H2. But, none of this explains why after 3 or 4 wins, you would not level up, in say Lone Wolves, even against player 2-3 levels above you, and then suddenly de-level after 1 loss to players who are your same level. According to the system, you should have leveled up in those first 2-3 matches. I mean just now, I won 3 games in a row where I was in the middle of the levels (38 to 42), and I didn't level up. Then I just lost a game against people all my level and I de-leveled. My point is that I think the system itself says one thing, but in actual practice, something else is happening.[/quote]If you would like an explanation please list the range of games you are questioning and I'm sure someone will try to help explain it. I just looked at your games of Lone wolves. I don't see anything that looks unexpected. On the first page you pretty much alternate between 4/5/6 finish and 1/2/3 finish. Your rank through that period also was alternating between 38/39. Assuming 3rd or better counts as a win you have 20 wins and 18 losses in lone wolves on the first two pages. That's occured mostly at skill level 38 but some of those games you were a 39. Looking at it from a broader perspective does that really seem like you should be moving up. Just looking at a small number of games doesn't always give you the real picture. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] somdowns In teams, I agree - leveling should be based on performance of the player, not the team. In understand that the system rewards you more for winning the match, but does that mean the player who made 25 kills on the losing team shouldn't level up, or isn't at a higher skill level? I can't count how many times I've carried a team just to lose in the end and then de-level. If I am in last place on the team, I understand, but if you get more single kills that anyone else in the whole match? Come on...[/quote]On page 13 of this thread I posted a semi long post discussing why I think it's impossible to use individual performance's as part of the equation. I also discuss why only using wins/losses works perfectly fine for determining your skill level and why those games you carried your team but lost shouldn't be a concern. Check out my post and see if it makes sense to you. I really don't think it's possible to use individual performance in a ranking system. [Edited on 11.27.2007 2:44 PM PST]