The graphics were simply dissapointing for a xbox 360 killer app and a selller of multi million copies.
For the people saying the e3 2007 graphics were better than the e3 2006, I pity you. I'll admit I did not see a huge difference in graphics from the two aside from the MC armor itself but!! that was because besides MC, everything was far away.
I don't care if MC's 2006 armor was unreal, melting looking, not halo-like, whatever, it technically had better texture and graphics to it.
while the 2007 MC armor wasnt so bad that it was blocky/pixelly, it did look bad compared to the 2006 one, it just looked thin, weak, not-too-shiny plastic, while the 07 one looked like stone, with small bumpy texture, unreal sure, but who the hell cares if it looks like stone, nothing wrong with it, so whats if its unreal, not the first unreal thing in halo.
But Stillblazin, that e3 06 video was just a goal!!!
Yea and they didnt reach it! Not close enough to satisfy.
Stop lying to yourself, most people that complain about graphics are not graphics whores/ps3 fanboys or blind female dogs, they are simply the open minded.
Aside from the armor well, let me say all the "screenshots" looked magnificent and that brings us to the next problem. All the "MP screens from the beta" were pretty and polished and in high high resolution, while the actual Beta itself really didnt look on the same level. Of course this problem isnt anything major, usually things look better in screenshots anyway, but there was a thread in here that said the screenshots were tuned to be better looking. The Mp beta graphics were not bad, they were good, but had AA problems, some "not so good textures", im not saying they are bad, but simply not that good. Heres some examples. The textures on the steel buildings on valhalla (very plain), Rock textures although looked great from far away and in MP screens were great but the closer you get, the more "meh" they get.
Now Halo 2 graphics up close were a mixture, some looked good up close, some didnt, This is probably due to bump mapping. In halo 1, nothing really looked blocky/pixelly up close unless you were to zoom.
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Now people here always talking about stuff like "Oh its an old build, its alpha, the beta will look better, oh its beta, its not done yet, wait for the final, or we still have 3 months man!"
Shut up. you saw the e3 06 trailer, oh so why wasnt the beta graphics that good? =/ Why no visor reflections man? that was pre alpha trailer and supposedly in game engine! But the beta didnt have that type of visor reflections... Now this is when some fanboys will surprisingly say "Oh I like the reflections the way they are, I dont like the mirrored look", fanboys always adapting to suck up in new ways. Really sad.
I TOLD people over and over, Bungie will make the same mistake, Halo 2 didnt live up to the graphics of its announcement trailer and Halo 3 so far has not either. Now is when fanboys will say "Of but the game isnt finished man! we still have a couple months man!" BOGUS, No real change will happen in the final months and you know this. People said Halo 2 announcement trailer wasnt running on xbox and that halo 3 Announce .trail. was... and I just LOL'ed when I saw the e3 07 trailer.
Graphics of Halo 3 are certainly much better than halo 2, although not polished the same yet. I will still continue to play the game and I will not actually even complain about the graphics. I just can't stand fanboyism and how people lie to themselves over and over again, blinded by the simple truth,
"Oh go to hell stillblazin, go play gow if you want graphics, dude did you even see the color palettes used in halo 3, its the ownsorz man!, so go play a grey scale game like gears you emo!"
THis is by far the most weakest comback I've heard in these forums. What suprises me even more is that people saying Halo 3's graphics are better than Gow, even moderators agreeing with it!!! L.M.A.O. It's not better than Gears, has a better color palette but its not better than Gears. Look I understand you like the halo art style more, you like rocks, you like trees, water, and all the halo elements, but technically Halo is not better looking than Gears and it does not have the same level of detail as some of the Gears maps. Just accept it, and move on.
"Oh stillblazin, if your so good, why dont you go and try to make a game, you noob"
Lawl, this one cracks me up every single time, I guess we all need to be game developers to critisize things, I guess we all need to be movie directors to critisize movies, Come on.. think for once.
In conclusion, I realize Graphics are about 33% importance in a game, The other 66% being Gameplay, sound and etc, which Halo is amazing at.
I actually forgived Halo 3 beta graphics for not living up to the e3 trailer standards eventually and enjoyed the game. Because they showed us this "IN GAME" footage in e3 06, I expected ~~~atleast~~~ to see the same "visor reflections, armor texture" and the same texture level of the armor applied to the whole map. Technically by some of your "theories", since that trailer was PRE ALPHA AND VERY EARLY IN DEVOLOPMENT, we should have gotten Graphics that were a YEAR better than it, but we simply didnt.
Also people kept saying Oh, the campaign graphics will be as good or better than the 06 trailer and kept hyping up a campaign documentary. That campaign trailer well didnt reach the hype. That hype was actually a realistic hype, since we could of course expect bungie to "atleast" reach a pre-alpha stage in graphics dev right? oops they didnt, hahaha.
Since i said graphics were 33% of the game, I think Bungie reached 27% of that 33%. So thats why i made this thread and I realize its the 1000th graphics thread you've been to and I simply don't give a flying grunts -kablam-.
Enjoy reading my unedited rant.
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This is retarded, Im sorry but you guys are criticizing something that isnt even a final product Im gonna laugh my -blam!- off when these guys play halo 3 and realize they were wrong as -blam!- about Halo 3 and its graphics
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I do have one more thing to say... I think the E3 trailer looks better on my laptop then on my HDTV downloaded from live. It appears as though the the Live HD version of the trailer is either expanded resulting in lower quality or it just isn't as good for some reason. BUT if you take some of the screenshots from the other day and save them to your computer, then view them on your TV through the 360, they look simply AMAZING. I think this is a more accurate depiction of how the game will actually look when being rendered by the 360. TRY IT!
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Why did this dude get banned?
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JUST LET THIS -BLAM!-ING DIE!!! [Edited on 07.14.2007 2:35 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KANDY K0rN [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SenatorKooch Holy hell I am sick of the graphics whiners....and stop the Gears of War comparisons!! God....damn! I was worried about 3's graphics, and the beta looked pretty good, I would've been ok with those graphics. BUT the new campaign shots and video are freaking amazing. I think it looks sooo good. I cannot wait to play it!! If you think the graphics suck.....1. You are crazy and 2. Shut up, get the -blam!- out of here and don't buy the game. Thanks have a good life.[/quote] Jerks like you need to stop flaming this guy. He was just voicing his opinion. I dont recall him ever saying he hated the game.[/quote] Well because I am sick of the graphics whiners, I am whining about the whiners. Bungie has literally created a huge, very nice piece of art and people just keep complaining, therefore the whiners should shut the -blam!- up.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SenatorKooch Holy hell I am sick of the graphics whiners....and stop the Gears of War comparisons!! God....damn! I was worried about 3's graphics, and the beta looked pretty good, I would've been ok with those graphics. BUT the new campaign shots and video are freaking amazing. I think it looks sooo good. I cannot wait to play it!! If you think the graphics suck.....1. You are crazy and 2. Shut up, get the -blam!- out of here and don't buy the game. Thanks have a good life.[/quote] Jerks like you need to stop flaming this guy. He was just voicing his opinion. I dont recall him ever saying he hated the game.
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Holy hell I am sick of the graphics whiners....and stop the Gears of War comparisons!! God....damn! I was worried about 3's graphics, and the beta looked pretty good, I would've been ok with those graphics. BUT the new campaign shots and video are freaking amazing. I think it looks sooo good. I cannot wait to play it!! If you think the graphics suck.....1. You are crazy and 2. Shut up, get the -blam!- out of here and don't buy the game. Thanks have a good life.
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I don't think it looks better than Gears of War but I do think it will be more fun than Gears of War.
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STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! god dam. did you even bother watching it in high def... god who even cares what you think stfu and just wait till the game comes out. it looks different when your actually playing. Hey graphics are better looking that gears so to me i think they are pretty dam good
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Halo sereis = best seller period because it just is the -blam!-!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MLG Cheehwawa Halo and Halo 2 didn't have the bext graphics on Xbox, yet they were best sellers.[/quote] Because of the large fan base and the gameplay and that's why Halo 3 will succeed as well. [Edited on 07.14.2007 1:17 PM PDT]
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Halo and Halo 2 didn't have the bext graphics on Xbox, yet they were best sellers.
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no one cares about your rant, thats why I only read the last line so I can tell you to stop whinning about graphics.... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Stillblazin The graphics were simply dissapointing for a xbox 360 killer app and a selller of multi million copies. For the people saying the e3 2007 graphics were better than the e3 2006, I pity you. I'll admit I did not see a huge difference in graphics from the two aside from the MC armor itself but!! that was because besides MC, everything was far away. I don't care if MC's 2006 armor was unreal, melting looking, not halo-like, whatever, it technically had better texture and graphics to it. while the 2007 MC armor wasnt so bad that it was blocky/pixelly, it did look bad compared to the 2006 one, it just looked thin, weak, not-too-shiny plastic, while the 07 one looked like stone, with small bumpy texture, unreal sure, but who the hell cares if it looks like stone, nothing wrong with it, so whats if its unreal, not the first unreal thing in halo. But Stillblazin, that e3 06 video was just a goal!!! Yea and they didnt reach it! Not close enough to satisfy. Stop lying to yourself, most people that complain about graphics are not graphics whores/ps3 fanboys or blind female dogs, they are simply the open minded. Aside from the armor well, let me say all the "screenshots" looked magnificent and that brings us to the next problem. All the "MP screens from the beta" were pretty and polished and in high high resolution, while the actual Beta itself really didnt look on the same level. Of course this problem isnt anything major, usually things look better in screenshots anyway, but there was a thread in here that said the screenshots were tuned to be better looking. The Mp beta graphics were not bad, they were good, but had AA problems, some "not so good textures", im not saying they are bad, but simply not that good. Heres some examples. The textures on the steel buildings on valhalla (very plain), Rock textures although looked great from far away and in MP screens were great but the closer you get, the more "meh" they get. Now Halo 2 graphics up close were a mixture, some looked good up close, some didnt, This is probably due to bump mapping. In halo 1, nothing really looked blocky/pixelly up close unless you were to zoom. .. Now people here always talking about stuff like "Oh its an old build, its alpha, the beta will look better, oh its beta, its not done yet, wait for the final, or we still have 3 months man!" Shut up. you saw the e3 06 trailer, oh so why wasnt the beta graphics that good? =/ Why no visor reflections man? that was pre alpha trailer and supposedly in game engine! But the beta didnt have that type of visor reflections... Now this is when some fanboys will surprisingly say "Oh I like the reflections the way they are, I dont like the mirrored look", fanboys always adapting to suck up in new ways. Really sad. I TOLD people over and over, Bungie will make the same mistake, Halo 2 didnt live up to the graphics of its announcement trailer and Halo 3 so far has not either. Now is when fanboys will say "Of but the game isnt finished man! we still have a couple months man!" BOGUS, No real change will happen in the final months and you know this. People said Halo 2 announcement trailer wasnt running on xbox and that halo 3 Announce .trail. was... and I just LOL'ed when I saw the e3 07 trailer. Graphics of Halo 3 are certainly much better than halo 2, although not polished the same yet. I will still continue to play the game and I will not actually even complain about the graphics. I just can't stand fanboyism and how people lie to themselves over and over again, blinded by the simple truth, "Oh go to hell stillblazin, go play gow if you want graphics, dude did you even see the color palettes used in halo 3, its the ownsorz man!, so go play a grey scale game like gears you emo!" THis is by far the most weakest comback I've heard in these forums. What suprises me even more is that people saying Halo 3's graphics are better than Gow, even moderators agreeing with it!!! L.M.A.O. It's not better than Gears, has a better color palette but its not better than Gears. Look I understand you like the halo art style more, you like rocks, you like trees, water, and all the halo elements, but technically Halo is not better looking than Gears and it does not have the same level of detail as some of the Gears maps. Just accept it, and move on. "Oh stillblazin, if your so good, why dont you go and try to make a game, you noob" Lawl, this one cracks me up every single time, I guess we all need to be game developers to critisize things, I guess we all need to be movie directors to critisize movies, Come on.. think for once. In conclusion, I realize Graphics are about 33% importance in a game, The other 66% being Gameplay, sound and etc, which Halo is amazing at. I actually forgived Halo 3 beta graphics for not living up to the e3 trailer standards eventually and enjoyed the game. Because they showed us this "IN GAME" footage in e3 06, I expected ~~~atleast~~~ to see the same "visor reflections, armor texture" and the same texture level of the armor applied to the whole map. Technically by some of your "theories", since that trailer was PRE ALPHA AND VERY EARLY IN DEVOLOPMENT, we should have gotten Graphics that were a YEAR better than it, but we simply didnt. Also people kept saying Oh, the campaign graphics will be as good or better than the 06 trailer and kept hyping up a campaign documentary. That campaign trailer well didnt reach the hype. That hype was actually a realistic hype, since we could of course expect bungie to "atleast" reach a pre-alpha stage in graphics dev right? oops they didnt, hahaha. Since i said graphics were 33% of the game, I think Bungie reached 27% of that 33%. So thats why i made this thread and I realize its the 1000th graphics thread you've been to and I simply don't give a flying grunts -kablam-. Enjoy reading my unedited rant. 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isn't the only difference between mc's armor for 06 and 07 the color and lighting? besides anyone who dosent like the graphics needs to stop whining and go find a diffferent game to complain about. That's probably all you ever do.
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yeah I also don't think a real gritty realistic looking version of halo would match the fun style of gameplay that we love
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Not all companies are aiming to make the most realistic looking game out there.
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people should only speak for themselves. that's the only thing that bugs me about this. Everyone has a right to their opinion but to say that this trailer disappointed [i]us[/i] I think may be incorrect seeing as how everytime this is brought up a huge debate is sparked.
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mmmmm i just watched the documentary for the first trailer and i swear he had the smooth armor on there too also
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What people have to realize that each game has a differnt style of graphics for their games. It's not aiming towards being the most realistic game ever made, but towards to it's own art style that is appropriate for a game like this.
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Stillblazin, just be happy with what you saw. No game is perfect in any form, but Halo 3 is probably as close as you could get. Sure it's no Crysis when it comes to graphics, but i know, and you know that it'll make up for the rest. Don't expect too much. Halo 3 is one of the best looking next-gen game to date imo. Very Colorful and Alive, just like the real world. Lighting looks ridiculous. And i'm sure those are just bonuses that we'll get out of this game....since Bungie's main focus is the Story and Gameplay. Also throw in the Best Multiplayer once it arrives with an incredible amount of features, options and fun, and you have a recipe for disaster. There will be a lot of great games coming later this year and early next year that's for sure. But no game will come close when this game comes out imo. This game will be epic, and with Halo 3 closing out the series. The series will be nothing less than a Masterpiece. -------
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Lol, on a completely unrelated note: Please refrain from using the "N" word on these forums, Stillblazin. You just sound retarded. (N word being noob, which I shall never repeat again in all of my existence as a B.Net user.) And you can't end a thread. I WILL NOT LET THIS DIE! (just kidding, i've wanted it to since the 1st post!) xD. xP.
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yeeaa theres no question its the ecact same master chief it juust looked so good because of the lighting they had on in the E3 06' trailer. if you look at the documentary they released where it showed hi walking up until that point, and look at the new screens youll see it looks the saame
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I believe the graphics look pretty impressive considering the amount of pressure and limited time to make the game.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Stillblazin If you actually read it, I said I was 27%/33% satisfied with the graphics, and that I was satisfied completely with the rest of the 66%. So therefore I do not take graphics too seriously, Halo's graphics are certainly "enough" to enjoy the amazing experience of its game. So if you add um the percentages you'll realize I'm 94% satisfied witht he game already. So hush little puppy.[/quote] I'm sorry I was not going to comment on a discussion like this because arguing about things you really know nothing about is just plain stupid. But this statement takes the cake. What the hell are you trying to say? Wait, don't even try to explain, sit down and just unplug your computer because you already had one massive post and several replies to try to make yourself clear. That is not even a coherent thought. I think half the arguments on these forums stem from people not being able to form and express their thoughts properly. My prescription: More school, less Halo.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Vitamin Zawaz You all have to think for a minute. We are a random community of Halo fans on the Bungie site. I'd say there have been a total of maybe 500-600 different users posting on this forum since the 07 trailer (just a guess). Out of that many people, maybe 400 will agree that story and gameplay are more important than graphics. What you need to understand is...hardcore halo fans aren't gonna be the only people playing this game. That's exactly why Bungie released that superbowl trailer and the 06 one as well. There are going to be some relaxed, non-hardcore gaming people that were looking forward to Halo 3, and in some of their opinions, graphics are very important. And when they see the 07 trailer, they're gonna be disappointed and will think twice about buying the game. There aren't as many story-mongers out there as you think there are. Most of the people I know that have played Halo and Halo 2 know nothing about the story, nor do they care for it. They play because it looks cool, and because it's fun. Bungie needs to have that look-cool feature in Halo 3 if they really want to appeal to people outside of this gaming forum.[/quote] I agree, but it isn't a fact that the 2007 trailer didn't look good. I thought it looked good, and everyone (even the casual gamers that you're referring to) who I showed the trailer to though it looked awesome.