[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owned Maybe [/quote] Except for, you know, that whole thing where "most players and administrators continue to insist that fighting stay as a permanent element of organized ice hockey" [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_in_ice_hockey#Efforts_to_ban_fighting]see here[/url]. That there is recognized etiquette to fights in hockey is another example that, at the NHL level, it is considered part of the game. I never said that fighting is what makes hockey manly. I'm merely pointing out that, for the NHL, most players, administrators, coaches, staff and commissioners recognize that it is part of the game. To be honest, what makes Hockey manly, as far as I'm concerned is the speed, hits, grit and toughness the players exhibit. You can't be a wuss and play Hockey. You'll just get really badly hurt.