Why? Because valhalla misses the point of both of them. Coag and Blood Gulch were two completely open maps with little to NO cover anywhere. This sounds bad though right? Wrong, it created a demand for vehicles more than sandtrap could ever muster. I mean sure you can ride warthogs all over sandtrap but you can still walk it. But in Coag and Blood Gulch, if you weren't in a vehicle you were screwed. So how does valhalla do it wrong? Couple of things, first off... the man cannons. While I do like them and I think that trying to add a new level of play and a new way of transportation is wonderful, its a bit flawed. For instance, what exactly is the point of the secondary man cannons on the bases... does anybody ever actually use them? Not really right? The main one is always filled up with players and everybody eventually gets killed because they fell into a trap by using the man cannon. Teleporters didn't have these problems, they transported a player to a semi-safe area instantly and allowed a player to quickly strafe an oncoming opponent. They were effective ways of moving players quickly across the map, and yet they did so in a balanced way, taking the one on red base threw you into the trees and the blue base one took you to the rockslide. You're safe, you've effectively moved across the map, and you are on your way to your respective bombplant/flagcapture/flagreturn. Secondly, the river almost ruins that entire path of walking. Yes its pretty, yes I love throwing grenades in it to see the water ripple, but its too damn slowing. Try driving in that thing, you can feel your hog being slowed down. Plus its an instant death trap. Why? Because anybody on red team will just take the man cannon and go up the hill and look down and see what? Lots of blue people coming off of their man cannon. While the river is not so much of a problem for red base it still is kinda a nuisance because nobody really goes around that rock structure. Thirdly, Valhalla represents one major thing that coag and blood gulch never did. And that is a slow paced game. One of my favorite things to do in halo 2 was to load up an assload of tanks and give everybody over shields... it was fun, hilarious, and entertaining all at the same time. Pure awesomeness. Another great thing I loved was doing bumper hogs, sure it was kiddy and it was full of fast paced hog rolling and explosions, but what's exactly wrong with that. In valhalla we get this very slow paced strategic game (Its fast but in comparison to halo 2's coag its a snail) that snips off fun craziness from the root. Don't get me wrong, I like valhalla for what it is, a decent paced team oriented map with a focus on strategy and team work. But to me thats not what coag was. Really, every time I see Valhalla in a playlist whilst playing btb or team slayer or team objective I have to remind myself, "This is not coag, you can't go through the cliffs, can't go through the middle, and you can't go get invisibility or overshields." You know, this kinda applies to all of halo 3, its like it lost its Game. Everything is so serious now, and everything is based on trying to be realistic, but this is never what the halo series. Nothing was ever serious, we just accepted everything for how it was and played accordingly. The man cannons are a perfect example of this, what is really wrong with using teleporters? The only thing I can credibly think of is that they are unrealistic, and that some how seeing a spartan ride 150 feet in the air and come down softly is so realistic right? Halo 3 has seemingly taken itself way to serious and has thusly removed the craziness of past generations. Its unfortunate but I feel maybe the first ways to get halo on the right track would be to get an actual remake of Coagulation, something that would make people (like me) who have had halo since it was on xbox and have stayed true to it and continued to come back even when it got a bit annoying. I don't count valhalla as a remake, I count it as its own map, that takes elements from the best of other maps and throws it together. Which is fine, but I just want to play bumper hogs, and tremors and cat and mouse and Old school Ctf that would make me feel like an old man somehow. To all those that would reply "you sux go complain elsewhere" just don't post alright? Thanks ~sess