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1/6/2013 4:24:57 AM
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Thanks Mr. Police man. Here's my finger.
[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/03/flip-off-police_n_2403563.html?fb_action_ids=4406639878200&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%224406639878200%22%3A375699389192306%7D&action_type_map=%7B%224406639878200%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D]A police officer can't pull you over and arrest you just because you gave him the finger.[/url]
[quote][/quote]Uh what now? Funny how things change. I remember when this issue was huge on the debates. Still wouldn't do this anyway. Well, maybe I would if the cop.. ohh I don't know for example one time... ALMOST 'T-BONED' MY CAR. Or even CUT ME OFF TO MAKE A LEFT TURN ONLY WHEN HE WASN'T EVEN IN THE TURN LANE.
Side note, I can't believe I posted this news article BEFORE Recon. WOO!
Thoughts on this new appeal by courts?
[Edited on 01.05.2013 8:46 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AR IS4 NUBS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [/quote]Hey look. Nice of you to join us now. ;p[/quote] I honestly don't see much of an issue on the subject. If the gesture is non-dangerous (flipping a finger is not like reaching into your jacket) who cares what gesture some fool makes? Besides, "the finger" is mostly a US creation, the UK has their two finger salute, and so do nearly every other culture. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vgmp4MmfG0]Excepting Kiwis maybe. They're like their namesake, and haven't been exposed to threats for so long, they've lost any natural instincts or defenses[/url].[/quote]God damnit those two make everyone think we're retarded over here. We do in fact use the finger in NZ, but more often our aggression is expressed through us threatening to smash you in the face [Edited on 01.06.2013 9:04 PM PST]
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I've already had them point guns at me, handcuff me and arrest me. I may as well use my rights too now.
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It's still Disorderly conduct, it's just that they couldnt make a case out of it.
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My dad got arrested and spent a night in jail for flipping off a cop in the 70's.
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Why shouldn't you be able to flip off a police officer? I mean, can't you swear at him?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bothegrunt [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] You Know Already [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bothegrunt If you flip me off while driving, enjoy your ticket for distracted driving by the way.[/quote] Except it's legal and not only would the case be dropped, you'd have a filed complaint on your record. But we all know you're not actually a gang memb- Err, I mean, officer.[/quote] I can give a ticket for "improper hand signal". There are only three authorized hand signals when driving a car; right turn, left turn and stop. Extemporaneous hand signals might confuse other drivers of your intentions leading to a crash - which is why they are specifically prohibited by law. Too bad it counts as a moving violation with points on the driver's license as well. But please, keep being so edgy and act like you know more than me, that's fine.[/quote] Did you read the article? That's what the officer's excuse in court was: [quote]Richard Insogna, the officer who stopped Swartz and his wife when they arrived at their destination, claimed he pulled the couple over because he believed Swartz was "trying to get my attention for some reason." The appeals court didn't buy that explanation, ruling that the "nearly universal recognition that this gesture is an insult deprives such an interpretation of reasonableness."[/quote] [/quote] Two different things, the officer in the article believed the person was trying to get HIS attention, not other drivers as a signal. If he would of used the explanation given by myself, it might of been different. There are so many different things you can "charge" the person with, it is sort of a catch 22. Some courts will accept it, some won't.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobTheGreat2 Good, there is a video of a police officer pulling over an ambulance because he thought the driver flipped him off, while the ambulance was rushing someone to the hospital.[/quote] Who was recording? The dedicated paramedic who was rushing a patient to the hospital shouldn't have had time or attention to spare on either flipping someone off OR recording an event. The cop should have been focused on their duties. How'd it make it to tape? Someone obviously had some spare clock-cycles.[/quote]I'd like to see the vid.
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It's legal, but do it and the cop will try to find ANY reason to pull you over and give you a ticket.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobTheGreat2 Good, there is a video of a police officer pulling over an ambulance because he thought the driver flipped him off, while the ambulance was rushing someone to the hospital.[/quote] Who was recording? The dedicated paramedic who was rushing a patient to the hospital shouldn't have had time or attention to spare on either flipping someone off OR recording an event. The cop should have been focused on their duties. How'd it make it to tape? Someone obviously had some spare clock-cycles.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AR IS4 NUBS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobTheGreat2 Good, there is a video of a police officer pulling over an ambulance because he thought the driver flipped him off, while the ambulance was rushing someone to the hospital.[/quote]Wow that's retarded.[/quote] Lol at the ambulance driver for stopping.
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Of course if you give the wrong cop the finger... You get your lips super-glued together while they let a spider, scorpion, probe thing climb into your navel. At least they drop you back in your bed when they are done though.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobTheGreat2 Good, there is a video of a police officer pulling over an ambulance because he thought the driver flipped him off, while the ambulance was rushing someone to the hospital.[/quote]Wow that's retarded.
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Good, there is a video of a police officer pulling over an ambulance because he thought the driver flipped him off, while the ambulance was rushing someone to the hospital.
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Off topic I know but what's a good website that shows every law for every state? I mean I've checked sites before for just one state only but it always turns out to be a terrible site with little information. OT: Great. I would've loved to have been able to flip off the last cop that pulled me over seeing how he was a complete -blam!- for no reason.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AR IS4 NUBS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [/quote]Hey look. Nice of you to join us now. ;p[/quote] I honestly don't see much of an issue on the subject. If the gesture is non-dangerous (flipping a finger is not like reaching into your jacket) who cares what gesture some fool makes? Besides, "the finger" is mostly a US creation, the UK has their two finger salute, and so do nearly every other culture. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vgmp4MmfG0]Excepting Kiwis maybe. They're like their namesake, and haven't been exposed to threats for so long, they've lost any natural instincts or defenses[/url].[/quote]Oh I know. I wasn't implying you would. Just simply saying this is something the Flood would find you posting. ^_^
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Everyone seems to hate on cops.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AR IS4 NUBS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [/quote]Hey look. Nice of you to join us now. ;p[/quote] I honestly don't see much of an issue on the subject. If the gesture is non-dangerous (flipping a finger is not like reaching into your jacket) who cares what gesture some fool makes? Besides, "the finger" is mostly a US creation, the UK has their two finger salute, and so do nearly every other culture. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vgmp4MmfG0]Excepting Kiwis maybe. They're like their namesake, and haven't been exposed to threats for so long, they've lost any natural instincts or defenses[/url].
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [/quote]Hey look. Nice of you to join us now. ;p
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dredd [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Decimator Omega I think it's pretty stupid. If I was a cop and someone flipped the bird to me, I'd still beat the living -blam!- out of them and arrest them.[/quote] Assault Battery False arrest Malicious prosecution Official misconduct Take your pick. You've just opened yourself a criminal charge buffet. [/quote] Is malicious prosecution an actual offense? That could be used against any arrest.[/quote] Malicious prosecution is actually a civil offense (my mistake there). You have to prove that you were prosecuted even though the prosecutors knew that you hadn't done anything wrong. [/quote] I see. Well that sounds reasonable.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dredd [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Decimator Omega I think it's pretty stupid. If I was a cop and someone flipped the bird to me, I'd still beat the living -blam!- out of them and arrest them.[/quote] Assault Battery False arrest Malicious prosecution Official misconduct Take your pick. You've just opened yourself a criminal charge buffet. [/quote] Is malicious prosecution an actual offense? That could be used against any arrest.[/quote] Malicious prosecution is actually a civil offense (my mistake there). You have to prove that you were prosecuted even though the prosecutors knew that you hadn't done anything wrong.
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IMO, if I put myself in the shoes of either person. If I am so pissed off that I am giving someone the finger, then I don't care and it doesn't matter how they are dressed or who they think that they are. As long as I am not making threats of physical harm (which IS a crime) a finger gesture is crass, but not dangerous or wrong. If I am in uniform and a citizen decides to flip me off? Then clearly that is how they choose to communicate their feelings towards me as a person, their opinion of me or what I and my uniform represent. It tells me that they do not have anything helpful or useful to say to me and so I shrug and go about my duties. If however (as the cop) the person who is giving me the middle finger is a part of my duties, say that I am investigating and they are a witness, or if they are a suspect, then their finger is not going to distract nor discourage me from doing my job. And if my job requires that I speak to, question or otherwise interact with someone whose gestures show their dislike for me? It is still my job to maintain a professional air while I go about my duties in the best manner that I can.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Decimator Omega I think it's pretty stupid. If I was a cop and someone flipped the bird to me, I'd still beat the living -blam!- out of them and arrest them.[/quote] Assault Battery False arrest Malicious prosecution Official misconduct Take your pick. You've just opened yourself a criminal charge buffet. [/quote] Is malicious prosecution an actual offense? That could be used against any arrest.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Decimator Omega I think it's pretty stupid. If I was a cop and someone flipped the bird to me, I'd still beat the living -blam!- out of them and arrest them.[/quote] Assault Battery False arrest Malicious prosecution Official misconduct Take your pick. You've just opened yourself a criminal charge buffet.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bothegrunt [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] You Know Already [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bothegrunt If you flip me off while driving, enjoy your ticket for distracted driving by the way.[/quote] Except it's legal and not only would the case be dropped, you'd have a filed complaint on your record. But we all know you're not actually a gang memb- Err, I mean, officer.[/quote] I can give a ticket for "improper hand signal". There are only three authorized hand signals when driving a car; right turn, left turn and stop. Extemporaneous hand signals might confuse other drivers of your intentions leading to a crash - which is why they are specifically prohibited by law. Too bad it counts as a moving violation with points on the driver's license as well. But please, keep being so edgy and act like you know more than me, that's fine.[/quote] Did you read the article? That's what the officer's excuse in court was: [quote]Richard Insogna, the officer who stopped Swartz and his wife when they arrived at their destination, claimed he pulled the couple over because he believed Swartz was "trying to get my attention for some reason." The appeals court didn't buy that explanation, ruling that the "nearly universal recognition that this gesture is an insult deprives such an interpretation of reasonableness."[/quote]
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I think it's pretty stupid. If I was a cop and someone flipped the bird to me, I'd still beat the living -blam!- out of them and arrest them.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] T1d3 Now we wait until they make flashing your lights to signal a cop up ahead legal. My state is scared that this will pass.[/quote]I didn't think that was illegal, more of a common courtesy.
