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12/12/2012 2:02:38 AM
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Did cortana loved the chief as a lover or as a friend? (spoilers)
There is no denying Cortana loved the chief. If you don't agree play halo 4 ...
She always wanted to touch him, she was more loyal to him than mankind (negating any she was just a robot claim), she was scared of death but died anyway for chief's sake., she stayed with him etc...
that's textbook love to me.
She was an AI yes, but she was a copy of a brain, and our brains are the ones that manage feelings.
but how do you think she loved the chief as lovers, or as friends?
[Edited on 12.22.2012 9:42 PM PST]
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It's hard to tell
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Love is feeling that remains difficult to explain for humans, so I wouldn't try to categorized what Cortana felt for the Chief. Their synergy and care for each other had many traits of what people describe as romantic love as well as friendship. What matters is they shared something unique, something that changed them both, for the better. They gave each other strength. Lover or friends? Their physical depiction and interaction in the last scene makes me think perhaps both.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Onomatopoeia [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog When Cortana told him he'll be given another AI, or a copy of her, he said very forcibly: 'That's [i]not[/i] going to happen.' You realise the relationship he had with Cortana was different to the one he had with anyone else, don't you? She wasn't just someone he saw or talked to; she was in his head - in his mind. An extension of himself. He barely functioned in [i]Halo 3[/i] without her, not quipping a [i]single[/i] joke until he found her with the 'thought I'd shoot my way out, mix things up a little' even though he arguably had other friends around him, such as Johnson. Her being gone is like a lobotomy. They knew each other only for a few months, but they shared a connection like no other has ever shared. When his last chance to physically take her back is snatched away as the terminal her crystal is in disintegrates, his steady and confident baritone falters and he sounds very vulnerable when he shouts 'Cortana!' Everything in [i]Halo 4[/i] screamed to me that John loved her, from body language to inflection to mise-en-scene. I'm not saying he loved her in a romantic sense. 'Theirs is a connection, greater than love.' She was a part of him, and he was a part of her; it goes beyond simple love. They're symbiotic. He won't accept another AI, and if you think he'll just plug Black Box in and become best friends in the next game then you completely missed almost all the subtext of Halo 4.[/quote] He doesn't love a computer programme, he seen her more than she was and it hit him hard because of it. And Black Box would be a good replacement. It could add hostilities and open another part of John's character. [/quote]The Chief loved Cortana as a very close friend, more than that because he literally shared his mind with her. And you seem to be implying that Cortana is somehow inferior and unworthy of love due to her artificial nature. She is clearly as complex and human as any real person. Cheif didn't see her as more than she was, he saw her as she was, his closest friend and all he really has left.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog When Cortana told him he'll be given another AI, or a copy of her, he said very forcibly: 'That's [i]not[/i] going to happen.' You realise the relationship he had with Cortana was different to the one he had with anyone else, don't you? She wasn't just someone he saw or talked to; she was in his head - in his mind. An extension of himself. He barely functioned in [i]Halo 3[/i] without her, not quipping a [i]single[/i] joke until he found her with the 'thought I'd shoot my way out, mix things up a little' even though he arguably had other friends around him, such as Johnson. Her being gone is like a lobotomy. They knew each other only for a few months, but they shared a connection like no other has ever shared. When his last chance to physically take her back is snatched away as the terminal her crystal is in disintegrates, his steady and confident baritone falters and he sounds very vulnerable when he shouts 'Cortana!' Everything in [i]Halo 4[/i] screamed to me that John loved her, from body language to inflection to mise-en-scene. I'm not saying he loved her in a romantic sense. 'Theirs is a connection, greater than love.' She was a part of him, and he was a part of her; it goes beyond simple love. They're symbiotic. He won't accept another AI, and if you think he'll just plug Black Box in and become best friends in the next game then you completely missed almost all the subtext of Halo 4.[/quote] He doesn't love a computer programme, he seen her more than she was and it hit him hard because of it. And Black Box would be a good replacement. It could add hostilities and open another part of John's character.
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I think she did by the way she looked and talked to him, but MC was oblivious to it. She was more of a "only true friend" to him than anything else.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BestSpartan117 I agree except when you said that their conection was "greater than love" what could be greater than love? when love is the greatest conection. Love is not just erotic. Friends and family are also love. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Onomatopoeia [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog I think he loved her deep down[/quote] No. Just no. He valued her as a friend and that's it. John has lost a lot more in his life than an AI. I really hope 343i don't milk this Cortana stuff too much. She's gone it was sad for John but he'll get over it. Give him Black Box instead. [/quote] When Cortana told him he'll be given another AI, or a copy of her, he said very forcibly: 'That's [i]not[/i] going to happen.' You realise the relationship he had with Cortana was different to the one he had with anyone else, don't you? She wasn't just someone he saw or talked to; she was in his head - in his mind. An extension of himself. He barely functioned in [i]Halo 3[/i] without her, not quipping a [i]single[/i] joke until he found her with the 'thought I'd shoot my way out, mix things up a little' even though he arguably had other friends around him, such as Johnson. Her being gone is like a lobotomy. They knew each other only for a few months, but they shared a connection like no other has ever shared. When his last chance to physically take her back is snatched away as the terminal her crystal is in disintegrates, his steady and confident baritone falters and he sounds very vulnerable when he shouts 'Cortana!' Everything in [i]Halo 4[/i] screamed to me that John loved her, from body language to inflection to mise-en-scene. I'm not saying he loved her in a romantic sense. 'Theirs is a connection, greater than love.' She was a part of him, and he was a part of her; it goes beyond simple love. They're symbiotic. He won't accept another AI, and if you think he'll just plug Black Box in and become best friends in the next game then you completely missed almost all the subtext of Halo 4.[/quote][/quote] I'm quoting a poem there, from [i]Evolutions.[/i] It was posted earlier in the thread. Nothing [i]we[/i] know can be a greater connection than love, but we can't share minds with the people we love. I think he loved her as a friend/family, but I think it also went beyond that - she was, like I said, a part of himself. [Edited on 12.14.2012 1:12 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheSpiderChief Which makes me think that, if she really isn't dead as some people claim, then he is going to stop at nothing to find her again in Halo 5.[/quote] Halo 5: The Search for Cortana?[/quote] No Halo 5: Finding Cortana
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I agree except when you said that their conection was "greater than love" what could be greater than love? when love is the greatest conection. Love is not just erotic. Friends and family are also love. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Onomatopoeia [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog I think he loved her deep down[/quote] No. Just no. He valued her as a friend and that's it. John has lost a lot more in his life than an AI. I really hope 343i don't milk this Cortana stuff too much. She's gone it was sad for John but he'll get over it. Give him Black Box instead. [/quote] When Cortana told him he'll be given another AI, or a copy of her, he said very forcibly: 'That's [i]not[/i] going to happen.' You realise the relationship he had with Cortana was different to the one he had with anyone else, don't you? She wasn't just someone he saw or talked to; she was in his head - in his mind. An extension of himself. He barely functioned in [i]Halo 3[/i] without her, not quipping a [i]single[/i] joke until he found her with the 'thought I'd shoot my way out, mix things up a little' even though he arguably had other friends around him, such as Johnson. Her being gone is like a lobotomy. They knew each other only for a few months, but they shared a connection like no other has ever shared. When his last chance to physically take her back is snatched away as the terminal her crystal is in disintegrates, his steady and confident baritone falters and he sounds very vulnerable when he shouts 'Cortana!' Everything in [i]Halo 4[/i] screamed to me that John loved her, from body language to inflection to mise-en-scene. I'm not saying he loved her in a romantic sense. 'Theirs is a connection, greater than love.' She was a part of him, and he was a part of her; it goes beyond simple love. They're symbiotic. He won't accept another AI, and if you think he'll just plug Black Box in and become best friends in the next game then you completely missed almost all the subtext of Halo 4.[/quote]
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Friend/sister/guardian sort of relationship.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Onomatopoeia [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog I think he loved her deep down[/quote] No. Just no. He valued her as a friend and that's it. John has lost a lot more in his life than an AI. I really hope 343i don't milk this Cortana stuff too much. She's gone it was sad for John but he'll get over it. Give him Black Box instead. [/quote] When Cortana told him he'll be given another AI, or a copy of her, he said very forcibly: 'That's [i]not[/i] going to happen.' You realise the relationship he had with Cortana was different to the one he had with anyone else, don't you? She wasn't just someone he saw or talked to; she was in his head - in his mind. An extension of himself. He barely functioned in [i]Halo 3[/i] without her, not quipping a [i]single[/i] joke until he found her with the 'thought I'd shoot my way out, mix things up a little' even though he arguably had other friends around him, such as Johnson. Her being gone is like a lobotomy. They knew each other only for a few months, but they shared a connection like no other has ever shared. When his last chance to physically take her back is snatched away as the terminal her crystal is in disintegrates, his steady and confident baritone falters and he sounds very vulnerable when he shouts 'Cortana!' Everything in [i]Halo 4[/i] screamed to me that John loved her, from body language to inflection to mise-en-scene. I'm not saying he loved her in a romantic sense. 'Theirs is a connection, greater than love.' She was a part of him, and he was a part of her; it goes beyond simple love. They're symbiotic. He won't accept another AI, and if you think he'll just plug Black Box in and become best friends in the next game then you completely missed almost all the subtext of Halo 4.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] UphillMercury Considering what they went through and the fact that, as you said, she is a smart A.I. (and a rampant one at that), I think it may be possible that she developed a close attachment towards the Chief. However, A.I.s, canonically-speaking, are diligent in performing their duties, which, in Cortana's case, meant sacrificing John if necessary, as stated in the Fall of Reach. I personally don't think it was anything more than a fond attachment, as everyone, even Cortana herself, knew what she was, and the consequential limitations of her being.[/quote] Yes, but being a smart AI, doesn't she have the choice to not obey orders? Correct me if im wrong, but I think Cortana is definetely able to love and have feelings. She even stated in the second mission that she was the only AI ever made from living tissue, witch I take as a clue from 343 that she does, in fact, love the Cheif.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Habah I don't know what Cortana's feelings for the [i]chef[/i] were. Maybe she just thought he could make a mean burger. [/quote] Not just [b]any[/b] burger, [i][url=http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?num=10&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&biw=1366&bih=646&tbm=isch&tbnid=cbQ1EF6Wrj21DM:&imgrefurl=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/File:Moa_Burger.jpg&docid=v72DGWKO16KIiM&imgurl=http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/3/35/Moa_Burger.jpg&w=480&h=360&ei=3nnKUPOADdCW0QXaSg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=104&vpy=131&dur=3549&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=150&ty=81&sig=114867425958313504906&page=1&tbnh=151&tbnw=211&start=0&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:91]a moa burger![/url][/i]
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I don't know what Cortana's feelings for the [i]chef[/i] were. Maybe she just thought he could make a mean burger.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Onomatopoeia [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog I think he loved her deep down[/quote] No. Just no. He valued her as a friend and that's it. John has lost a lot more in his life than an AI. I really hope 343i don't milk this Cortana stuff too much. She's gone it was sad for John but he'll get over it. Give him Black Box instead. [/quote] I think you're misunderstanding what he means by 'love'. It's not restricted to just romantic love, you know?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog I think he loved her deep down[/quote] No. Just no. He valued her as a friend and that's it. John has lost a lot more in his life than an AI. I really hope 343i don't milk this Cortana stuff too much. She's gone it was sad for John but he'll get over it. Give him Black Box instead.
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Halo 5-searching to bring cortana back Halo 6-making cortana real
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^It was fun to watch that again.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Footbutt [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spirit of Ember The chef? Which chef? Gordon Ramsay?[/quote] haha! i noticed the same thing. i assume Chef Boyardee.[/quote] Didn't you guys know?[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6m9niCEb2w]The Chiefs skills in cooking are legendary[/url]. [Edited on 12.13.2012 5:18 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spirit of Ember The chef? Which chef? Gordon Ramsay?[/quote] haha! i noticed the same thing. i assume Chef Boyardee.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZEROGREENCHIEF I dont think the chief "loved" cortana. He acted purely out of a sense of duty to the point of losing his humanity and essentially being a robot. It was his primary concern (after saving the galaxy of course) to protect cortana at any cost. I have many issues with halo 4, but I will give them one last chance to redeem themselves with halo 5, if they can push the chief redeeming his humanity.[/quote]I disagree. You could feel the sadness and fear radiating through his armor. He tried to rationalize his feelings with duty, but he clearly felt something real for Cortana.
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The chef? Which chef? Gordon Ramsay?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sandtrap [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoRaMo[/quote] Was that from Evolutions?[/quote]Yes.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZEROGREENCHIEF I dont think the chief "loved" cortana. He acted purely out of a sense of duty to the point of losing his humanity and essentially being a robot. It was his primary concern (after saving the galaxy of course) to protect cortana at any cost. I have many issues with halo 4, but I will give them one last chance to redeem themselves with halo 5, if they can push the chief redeeming his humanity.[/quote] Agreed, but I think Cortona may loved MC, if it is possible for an AI to be in love.
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I think she does love the chief....but not in a romantic sense. More like a motherly sort of love. After all she is a creation from the brain of Dr. Hasley, who was a mother figure to the spartans.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka At the end of Halo 4 Cortana [i]revealed[/i] to John that she's [i]"waited so long to do that"[/i], when touching him. That's the first time that I sensed that they might be aiming towards a more romantic relasionship.[/quote] I didn't get that at all. Her whole operational life she has been an artificial construct, one with such a vast sum of knowledge with the power to do almost anything except touch. This is reflected beautifully in her soliloquy at the start of Shutdown where she states she'll never know if Requiem's sun looks real. [/quote]I was going yo say this. She also says she'll never be able to know if the star feels real, as well. Her facial expression when she says 'feel' was emphasised, too. I think it was solely because she's not been able to touch, that she stated she's always wanted to do that. Being able to touch is clearly something that she's desired, and to finally be able to do that it felt - pardon the pun - amazing (for lack of a better word). Perhaps it was extra special because the first thing she was able to touch was someone she deeply cares about. I don't think it's love. Well, not romantically at least. [Edited on 12.12.2012 2:17 PM PST]
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I dont think the chief "loved" cortana. He acted purely out of a sense of duty to the point of losing his humanity and essentially being a robot. It was his primary concern (after saving the galaxy of course) to protect cortana at any cost. I have many issues with halo 4, but I will give them one last chance to redeem themselves with halo 5, if they can push the chief redeeming his humanity.
