[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zanir Halo 4 is the best, IMO.[/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Strider1115 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tomgaz My only complaint is that Ragnarok is a terrible map.[/quote] What is this? Valhalla was an amazing map and they hardy changed anything about it when they made Ragnarok. Why so much hate?[/quote]There are issues that didn't apply to H3: - The Mantis is often dominating - Warthogs and Banshees are almost useless - thanks to less shields and a spawn DMR without bloom you can't look into the open without being instantly killed. (- Infinity: You don't even have to bother leaving your base if you don't have a power-weapon) Though OT: I enjoy Halo 4 multiplayer [Edited on 11.16.2012 5:01 AM PST]

Then go play Halo 2 on PC

Reach was the worst. Easily.

Way to many power weapons being used in a single match. I recommend switching to Slayer pro if it bothers you as well.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] What Is This1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AK 47625714 Dead serious. In fact, I wonder why people hold it in such high regard nowadays.[/quote] Then explain to me how it is the worst. I can see Halo 2 or Reach as being worst, but Halo 3 I just don't get it.[/quote]My apologies for the late reply. Anyway, and I know I say this a lot, Halo 3 was essentially a more polished Halo 2, except it didn't have the fun. Halo 2 was a mess, but its gameplay (post-patch) made up for it; it was fast-paced, fluid, and fun. Halo 3 in comparison felt sluggish and slow. Halo 3's maps were nothing to write home about. Halo 2 had Sanctuary, Midship, Lockout, Containment, Turf, Relic, etc. Halo 3 had The Pit, arguably the best original map in the game, yet that was nothing compared to Halo 2's maps. Halo 3's best overall map was a remake of Midship. Besides Forge and Theater, Halo 3 really didn't offer anything new to the table in terms of gameplay. It didn't really make any significant changes to the formula like Halo 2 did (Whether it was for better or for worse is for another time). By the end of its life, before ODST and Reach, I was pretty tired of the Halo formula. There's also Halo 3's piss-poor netcode (Bullet refunding, double reload, blood-shots, etc), terrible melee system (Pre and post-patch), Equipment (Bubble Shield and Regenerator can burn in hell), and other minor things that bug me. -------------- On the subject of Reach. It's a flawed game for sure, but I still enjoyed it. Not as much as Halo 2 or CE, but certainly more than 3. I respect that Bungie at least tried to change up the Halo formula. Mixed results, yeah, but I think the good elements outweigh the bad. [Edited on 11.16.2012 3:18 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zombine Halo 4's game mechanics are nearly flawless. Movement is remarkably fast, it's actually one of the fastest shooters on consoles right now. Shooting mechanics are fantastic. Each weapon is balanced to each other very well, with every utility weapon achieving a kill-time of 1.6 seconds. The gameplay flows so much faster than previous games (Reach in particular, which was sluggish and boring) and is the fastest in the series. Maps are designed around sprint so you can't just sprint around a corner and escape a firefight if you made a mistake and the enemy is winning. You slow down to 95% walking speed if shot while sprinting, so sprinting away is highly discouraged. Sprint is effectively balanced in this regard. Ordnance drops are balanced and work very well. They're not killstreaks, and actually reward everything you do. They also don't reset after death, meaning that if you get a lot of assists then die, you're not punished for not getting 3, 5 or 7 kills per life. You're a team player and you earn ordnance just the same. Likewise, weapons from drops are not just free kills. You don't get rewarded with excessive kills for setting up the initial chain. It still takes the same amount of effort to keep the rewards as it did to acquire them. You're not guaranteed a kill with the incineration cannon because the enemy still has an equal chance to take you out by outplaying or outwitting you. Powerups have always existed in Halo, and are a part of arena shooters. Damage boost doesn't last long and you can still kill a player using it before they kill you if you're good. You can also outplay someone with overshields, and speed boost isn't much of a gamechanger unless you suck at aiming or leading shots. Going back to Halo CE, it is was an arena shooter - like Unreal Tournament. The Halo series has moved away from arena elements gradually, culminating in Reach not even resembling its roots at all. Halo 4 brings us closer to that style of gameplay than any Halo since CE. Complaining that Halo is too close to Unreal Tournament is silly, since it was originally pretty much the console version of UT and Quake. It's a good thing that Halo is back to that style since it takes a significant amount more skill than an arcade shooter, which is purely twitch shooting. In arena shooters you add in movement to the combat, forcing players to contend with the map layout and the way they move about it as well as other players. Contending with a player's well coordinated jumps takes more skill than seeing them first. Halo 4 is fundamentally a great game, one of the best in the series. It's very, very well balanced on top of that. It's not perfectly balanced though. I would like to see ordnance occur a little less often, but everything you complained about in the OP is either false or a good thing.[/quote] Best post in this thread and I doubt most people in here bothered to even read it. Well said sir.

Halo has been ruined since lolreach

Gameplay is fun, but the game uses up way more bandwidth than other Halo games. It's impossible to do anything else on my internet connection while Halo 4 is on.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tomgaz My only complaint is that Ragnarok is a terrible map.[/quote] What is this? Valhalla was an amazing map and they hardy changed anything about it when they made Ragnarok. Why so much hate?

I've raged so hard at Infinity Slayer to the point where I want to break my Xbox. I can't EVER have me and another guy in a DMR battle, no, I need all his teammates to kill me and my team derping and dying.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ultratog1028 Are there sword lunges across the map, no mute option, super jumpers b-x-bers and only 3 weapons useable in the game with 90% of maps wide open with little to no cover? No? Then Halo 2 still has it beat as the worst multiplayer.[/quote] Halo 2 kicks halo 4's ass.

Are there sword lunges across the map, no mute option, super jumpers b-x-bers and only 3 weapons useable in the game with 90% of maps wide open with little to no cover? No? Then Halo 2 still has it beat as the worst multiplayer.

Halo 4 is not the best, but Reach was by far the worst.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LifedOut They lowered shields and health so you die in .5 seconds when the enemy team is right together, EVERYONE can sprint, which is also dumb. The better a winning team is doing the more power weapons they get to continue to keep the lead and the losing team just keeps getting further and further from victory with no hope of catching up. There's too much going on in halo 4, I don't need all the extra stuff, ordinance drops, too many different weapons, some of which are wayyy too overpowered, i.e.: Needler, Incinerator cannon, sniper rifles. Power ups to include 'speed boost', 'damage boost', and 'overshield'. different skill sets. It's all a little too ridiculous... I used to play halo because it was different from all other FPS's. This halo has become a new Unreal Tournament game, and I like it the least over all the other halo's. Halo 2 had a better multiplayer set up than Halo 4, and that game came out in 2004. That's almost an entire decade of video game innovation and they ruined the game WITH that innovation. TAKE OUT ALL THE EXTRA CRAP. Give me back the game I originally fell in love with. Who agrees, disagrees, leave your replies and I will respond respectfully, after all this IS all opinionated but I can't help feeling I'm not the only one who feels this way.[/quote] Chances are that your local Gamestop carries the game you originally fell in love with for about 10$. The whole reason that 343i has taken such a different approach to halo is because if they just kept repeating the same successful formula, Halo would turn into Cod. Cod only sells because its Cod, not because its any good or has any fresh & new ideas. If Halo didint change things up alot with every game, it would suffer the same fate. I for one am glad that 343i recognized this issue and knew that it had to be avoided.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quest is back [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quest is back [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LifedOut Halo 4 most different multiplayer halo ever[/quote] Fixed for accuracy.[/quote] Yeah, it's so far removed it's not even an arena shooter.[/quote] You say you haven't bought the game but you concluded that it isn't an arena shooter...lol It perfectly feels like any other Halo. Typical crazy Spartan jumps, energy shields, Spartan agility, Spartan melees,...it's all there man. [/quote] Being perceptive is hard isn't it? ...It's not hard to see it isn't an arena shooter from all of the gameplay videos, and all of the information available. An arena shooter is a shooter where everyone starts off equal and has to gain their advantages inside that arena through movement and positioning. (e.g. Quake, Halo CE-3). Just like in Reach but worse in H4, you're given almost everything at the beginning of the match through loadouts (perks, mods, gun selection, etc.). What makes it even worse is that you're given power weapons and boosts when you do well. This unbalances the game further.[/quote] Starting equal doesn't matters, you are still wielding a gun. Players still fight to control portions of map. Just like in Halo 3, players still rush to the hill as it offers advantages. Wielding a different gun doesn't matters because in each Halo game you get fights like: -AR wielder vs plasma rifle wielder -scorpion tank vs a warthog -a sniper vs a single squad etc I haven't any problems with ordance drops. I always look forward to my next ordance drop because of the curiosity of which arsenal it offers. It's like a present givin to you,when you deserve it. Everyone can have these ordance drops, it's only unbalanced if only a few can enjoy it's advantages. All those tactical packages and support upgrade only have minor additions to the gameplay, well most are. They aren't significant and don't give someone an unfair advantage over others.

I think Halo has an amazing matchmaking, OP you need to adapt to it.

Nope. I love it.

Halo 4's multiplayer is probably my favorite now.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8e2ujXe8g]mfw these threads[/url]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quest is back [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LifedOut Halo 4 most different multiplayer halo ever[/quote] Fixed for accuracy.[/quote] Yeah, it's so far removed it's not even an arena shooter.[/quote] You say you haven't bought the game but you concluded that it isn't an arena shooter...lol It perfectly feels like any other Halo. Typical crazy Spartan jumps, energy shields, Spartan agility, Spartan melees,...it's all there man. [/quote] Being perceptive is hard isn't it? ...It's not hard to see it isn't an arena shooter from all of the gameplay videos, and all of the information available. An arena shooter is a shooter where everyone starts off equal and has to gain their advantages inside that arena through movement and positioning. (e.g. Quake, Halo CE-3). Just like in Reach but worse in H4, you're given almost everything at the beginning of the match through loadouts (perks, mods, gun selection, etc.). What makes it even worse is that you're given power weapons and boosts when you do well. This unbalances the game further.

I'm not sure if it is the worst, but it's close to it, that's for sure. It feels so bland. At least Halo Reach felt like Halo, even somewhat.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Google Chrome Best one so far. Quit comparing it to everything else and nitpicking every little thing. It's not my fault you suck at it. Deal with it and enjoy it, it's a lot of fun when you stop being a little -blam!- about it.[/quote]Fallacies. Fallacies everywhere.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quest is back [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LifedOut Halo 4 most different multiplayer halo ever[/quote] Fixed for accuracy.[/quote] Yeah, it's so far removed it's not even an arena shooter.[/quote] You say you haven't bought the game but you concluded that it isn't an arena shooter...lol It perfectly feels like any other Halo. Typical crazy Spartan jumps, energy shields, Spartan agility, Spartan melees,...it's all there man.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LifedOut Halo 4 most different multiplayer halo ever[/quote] Fixed for accuracy.[/quote] Yeah, it's so far removed it's not even an arena shooter.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LifedOut TAKE OUT ALL THE EXTRA CRAP. Give me back the game I originally fell in love with.[/quote] This is how I feel, but it won't happen. That's why I didn't buy H4 and won't support 343.