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10/16/2012 2:26:41 AM
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How well would modern military infantry do against covenant infantry?
I would imagine we could rarely break their shields, and probably never break the armor under that.
And plasma weapons would tear through us like...plasma.
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Pretty screwed. Invasion force of 20 or so ships, and glass the planet from orbit. We haven't got a place to go, so we're completely screwed. Even if they decided to land, we have no idea how to fight them. You really think a few 5.56 rounds would stop an enraged Jiralhanae or Sangeheli?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter Humvees are better than Warthogs, Abrams are better than Scorpions and just about every air unit we field is better than it's USMC or Covenant equivalent.[/quote] No, just no. The armour plating on warthogs and scorpions is far superior to our current technology and are also much more maueverable. And lets not even bother pitting our jets against longswords.[/quote] 7.62mm NATO rounds can destroy a Warthog. A M2 loaded with Mk211 rounds or the Bushmaster on a Bradley would turn it into Swiss Cheese with ease, to say nothing of what a Javelin, SMAW, Carl Gustav or TOW would do to it. Not to mention it's armed with what may be the most inaccurate chaingun ever designed and has next to no protection for it's crew. As for the Scorpion, I'd bet money a sabot round from a M1A2 would rip it open like a tin can. The sheer kinetic energy behind that round is ridiculous and the Scorpions design makes it easy as hell to score both mobility and full kills. It's slow, packing an underpowered main gun, lacking in armor, defensive countermeasures, optics and using an inherently flawed design. [Edited on 10.16.2012 8:37 AM PDT]
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I don't think even a ground war we would stand a chance. Our current day military vehicles would not even have a hope vs the what the covenant use. You have to factor in that they would their and frigates to help the ground war, we would really have no chance is the way I see it. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sparten110 We could break their shields, the UNSC uses standard bullets after all. If it was a ground fight we stand a chance, if it came to ship battles we would lose instantly.[/quote] [Edited on 10.16.2012 8:37 AM PDT]
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Ammunition and weapon types seem similar barring stuff like the rail gun. Most of the "yeah but its the future so they have bullets filled with space magic" type comments seem to be rationalizing rather than going off of the canon, so I won't worry about it. NATO militaries seem to use a lot more coordination and planning than the Covenant ever did. The Covenant mostly used vertical envelopment followed by their withdrawal and orbital bombardment. You don't see heavy use of close air support and compared to the modern military its not a very mechanized force either. The Covenant doesn't fully employ their resources because they've historically outclassed their adversaries by such a wide margin that they would have to really -blam!- up in order to lose. However, plasma weaponry would shred modern armor and the Covenant has a pretty significant numerical advantage. Species vs species, the Covenant win. This would be a pretty fun scenario though: the Long Night of Solace is damaged and slipspace jumps to Earth with all of its weapons offline. It deploys its, say, 90,000 troops to a certain location and is met by two US Marine Expeditionary Forces. They duke it out. Go! [Edited on 10.16.2012 8:16 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter Humvees are better than Warthogs, Abrams are better than Scorpions and just about every air unit we field is better than it's USMC or Covenant equivalent.[/quote] No, just no. The armour plating on warthogs and scorpions is far superior to our current technology and are also much more maueverable. And lets not even bother pitting our jets against longswords.[/quote] There's armour on Warthogs? Would've never known.[/quote] Yes there is, it's outer plating is made of titanium and carbon nanotubes, which are incredibly durable in comparison to modern armoured platings. Then think about how easy they are to destroy using marine weaponry, clearly UNSC weapons are superior to ours.[/quote] Clearly not, since they still use 5.56mm bullets that we used in the 70s.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 The game changer is the body armor. The current armor wouldn't offer much. You'd be better off naked. Just one plasma bolt and you are basically melting and in searing pain. Covenant would be dominating the skies, so air strikes and such wouldn't be able to be called in either. The ground forces would be outnumbered, outgunned, and basically with a low morale. Fighting an impossible enemy that has billions at it's disposal with weapons you've never seen or fought against before. To be honest, this is a really stupid comparison considering they wouldn't be able to counter the Covenant fleet. They would just glass the planet to hell without opposition. Dated ancient nuclear warheads would be useless. [/quote] Yes, people underestimate weapons the Covenant may have. They could have plasma flamethrower based weapons (which can sure melt your face off) and they could have ship-based airstrikes from space, all the fancy stuff. Plus they could have Mods for their weapons (example would be the Brute Plasma rifle, which is a Mod for the plasma rifle).
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter Humvees are better than Warthogs, Abrams are better than Scorpions and just about every air unit we field is better than it's USMC or Covenant equivalent.[/quote] No, just no. The armour plating on warthogs and scorpions is far superior to our current technology and are also much more maueverable. And lets not even bother pitting our jets against longswords.[/quote] There's armour on Warthogs? Would've never known.[/quote] Yes there is, it's outer plating is made of titanium and carbon nanotubes, which are incredibly durable in comparison to modern armoured platings. Then think about how easy they are to destroy using marine weaponry, clearly UNSC weapons are superior to ours.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheBestTheyHad Halo technology has always been behind what tech we have today. So I would say pretty well.[/quote] Two words. Shaw-Fujikawa. That's all.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter Humvees are better than Warthogs, Abrams are better than Scorpions and just about every air unit we field is better than it's USMC or Covenant equivalent.[/quote] No, just no. The armour plating on warthogs and scorpions is far superior to our current technology and are also much more maueverable. And lets not even bother pitting our jets against longswords.[/quote] There's armour on Warthogs? Would've never known.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter Humvees are better than Warthogs, Abrams are better than Scorpions and just about every air unit we field is better than it's USMC or Covenant equivalent.[/quote] No, just no. The armour plating on warthogs and scorpions is far superior to our current technology and are also much more maueverable. And lets not even bother pitting our jets against longswords.
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Modern infantry would do a hell of a lot better than the USMC would. The MA5B has a like a 50m effective range, which is like potshot range with any of the long arms fielded by the US military. Combine that with the fact that Humvees are better than Warthogs, Abrams are better than Scorpions and just about every air unit we field is better than it's USMC or Covenant equivalent with the exception of space capability we'd do pretty damn well in a ground engagement. Of course, it'd be all over once they started glassing, but that's life. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Our standard issue HMG does not shoot high explosive rounds.[/quote] You might want to look up the Mk 211 Raufoss round. Because, yeah, the M2 totally slings HEAPI rounds. [Edited on 10.16.2012 5:36 AM PDT]
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Ground combat we'd fare pretty well. If the UNSC managed to kill a few, then logic dictates that we could do better.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sparten110 We could break their shields, the UNSC uses standard bullets after all. If it was a ground fight we stand a chance, if it came to ship battles we would lose instantly.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wyzilla [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Makko Mace [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PISTOLSQUIRREL If the UNSC gets assraped a lot of the time, we'd be double -blam!-'d[/quote] buuut derrr gameplslkidhfgjlikusayyyyy techhhh goooto woorrsee 500 years in the future!!!![/quote] No offense Bungie, but you -blam!- up when it comes to FT tech. We're already researching lasers. I really think they should have hired a futurist, because [i]five hundred years in the future[/i]? I'd bet by then [i]we'd[/i] be the covenant, especially given the fact that the singularity will likely occur in 2045, turning us into cyborgs that could knock the fangs out of an elite with an uppercut. The idea that we'll be using the same old guns is insane. -blam!-, we might even have bullets sealed in a vacuum that contain antihydrogen, which would decimate virtually anything and bathe all forces by the target in gamma rays. It's one thing to suspect that in 1900's, everyone would be using jetpacks. But could they even conceive of a particle accelerator in 1901? -blam!-, they'd believe us to be ungodly demons for cloning animals for lulz and turning the fur of cats glow in the dark with genetic modification. A man just broke the speed of sound, [i]by falling[/i]. The technology of computers is increasing at a constant exponential rate. This rate of advancement will simply continue to increase until, who knows what? We ascend to virtual godhood within a few thousand years?[/quote] Why didn't you even mention the augmentations the Spartans had? All these enhancements for increased muscle mass, improved eye site, early release of growth hormones, fast healing wounds, etc. it's so close to what we have now. The only thing separating us and these enhancements are a few years of research, and ethical issues.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] gg totalement 1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheBestTheyHad Halo technology has always been behind what tech we have today. So I would say pretty well.[/quote] this. UNSC's technology (not ships wise, obviously) is not futuristic at all, it's pretty much what we have right now.[/quote] Standard issue, yeah, except for the explosive pistol. But the humans of today do not carry around man portable rail rifles, gauss sniper rifles, or laser cannons. We don't have rail gun tanks, gauss jeeps, cryo bombs or more rail gun defense turrets. We don't have sound rifles. We don't have jets that can reach escape velocity, and we do not have jets with dual 110mm cannons as their primary machine gun weapon (with an additional 120mm as a coaxil). Our standard issue HMG does not shoot high explosive rounds. [Edited on 10.16.2012 4:18 AM PDT]
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OP, we would get raped. None of our vehicles and troop armor is designed to go up against super heated plasma. A Plasma rifle would burn through a M1A1 Abram.
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We're under Thor's protection. There's nothing that any alien creator could to us without him knowing.
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Everything besides Elites and Brutes would go down just fine. Those two however, would destroy our forces.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colbyrules8 [/quote] Looks like someone decided to enlist into the infantry, but has yet to actually serve or even earn his blue cord (which is made obvious by the cherry comments). So take your bull-blam!- elsewhere, this is a damn gaming community talking about a fictional (note: fictional, like it's never going to happen) scenario about modern military forces and aliens out of a video game.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Milky Bravo They would put up a good fight, but would be defeat as they don't have enough resources and soldiers.[/quote] ...they as in Covenant infantries? Damn son, Covenant is filled with aliens of various races. They have [i]more[/i] than enough resources and soldiers to kill us all
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They would put up a good fight, but would be defeat as they don't have enough resources and soldiers.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colbyrules8 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Makko Mace [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartanfornow Modern military would do just fine against covenant ground forces. Guns are actually quite powerful against them, and bullets move much faster than bolts of plasma. The zealous nature of elites (standing in fire and charging) would be their downfall, with grunts and jackals offering little more than bullet depositories.[/quote] Gameplay =/= canon Plasma round going 30 fps = gameplay Plasma round going slower than bullet = canon Elite rolling off a cliff = gameplay Elites being aggressive = canon If humanities best normal forces after 500 more years of continuous warfare (ODSTs) are inferior/evenly matched with the covenant then [i][b][u]we[/i][/b][/u] don't have a chance.[/quote] You're not infantry.[/quote] Nobody, [i]nobody[/i] is interested in the rectal ragnarok you're having about people saying "we"; they're obviously going to use "we" when talking about human troops as opposed to the alien Covenant troops, even if they're not infantry. What you're doing is just spamming for the sake of spamming. OT: According to Halo fiction, one Elite Major can hold its own against a whole squad of UNSC Marines, so how a squad of 21st century troops armed with inferior ballistics weapons and less suitable armour is beyond me. And don't forget the Covenant vehicles such as Phantoms/Spirits/Wraiths/Banshees (though I imagine Banshees would be easy pickings for even modern jet fighters...)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sliding Ghost Grunts are far more accurate than storm troopers, nearly defeated the Covenant in a rebellion, and they are blessed by the gods (Mr. thirsty Grunt took down several combat forms with a plasma pistol). We have no hope against them!![/quote]Grunts make up the majority of the Covenant army. It's like the Army going against the armed forces of the united states. You just lost what you use to fight with.
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Grunts are far more accurate than storm troopers, nearly defeated the Covenant in a rebellion, and they are blessed by the gods (Mr. thirsty Grunt took down several combat forms with a plasma pistol). We have no hope against them!!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheBestTheyHad Halo technology has always been behind what tech we have today. So I would say pretty well.[/quote] this. UNSC's technology (not ships wise, obviously) is not futuristic at all, it's pretty much what we have right now.
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Lets just assume they couldnt use orbital strikes or glassing B.S. We would still get lolercausted to hollercaust. Jeez. Do you have any idea how disgusting plasma weapons are. Let alone Carbines, Needle Rifles, Wraiths, Etc. I mean -blam!- one Scarab, dropping right into every military base alone could poo on us. Easy Covenant victory. Just send thousands of Elite Drop Pods around the planet and several thousands of thousans of drop ships to deploy massive amounts of Light "Infantry" (Grunts/Jackals) which alone would give our men a hard enough time, AFTER the thousand so Elites attacked them. Assuming the military force can keep moral and life enough to last past these two phases then you send in special teams of Brutes to torture and scare humans with disgusting "Brute" like behavior and weapons. And this point. If we can still keep our head up after the Elites, Grunts, Jackals and Brutes loled in our faces then they can just send in Wraiths, Ghosts and Scarabs to just destroy your -blam!-. Plasma=Burns flesh and metal with ease. Needlers=Can kill a man with one needle, as well as turn any human into a walking "bomb" (Killing or injuring near by men) And what kinda moral do you think even the best soldiers will have when a 6-7-8+ tall alien is charging at them or even fighting them. An Elite could kill a person by stepping on them for -blam!- sake. BTW grunts are 5 feet tall. Short but not that short. And they can cause a pretty big stir up. Man think of the LOLZ that would occur if 5 Grunts dropped down in a city, with FUEL RODS
