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9/26/2012 10:05:21 PM
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Halo 4 - 343 What Are You Doing?
I know you all hate the massive amounts of Halo 4 on this board but I have to say 343 has gone and dumped just about everything Halo into a trash can and made 343lo.
My first example is [url=http://i.imgur.com/mna9u.jpg]this shot from Halo 3.[/url] Compare it to [url=http://i.imgur.com/vkQlZ.jpg]this shot from Halo 4.[/url] No part of the chief or Cortana bears a resemblance between the two photos. Get out of here with that graphic update ridiculousness. The helmet in Reach was a graphic update, this is a reskin and frankly makes no sense.
I will give it to them that their environments are very nice, though as a kind player of video games pointed out:
[quote]Bungie has always used lightmappings for their levels which made them look so good.
Halo 4 is using distance field shadow mapping as well as some other pre-calculated techniques which really ruin the charm that halo had as a video game.
In the middle of a forge map you will be required to "recalculate lighting" when you go into a new area.
Don't believe me? Look at any of the videos they showed at conferences of forge mode.
Also they are escaping the BSP route so you they cant do the "painters algorithm" as efficiently for matte paintings.
Just look at the skybox of any of the halo 4 maps and compare it to all of the ones found in halo 1-reach.
Bungie was able to have real geometry and effects used in their great looking skyboxes but in halo 4 it looks like they just put a cubemap for the entire damn sky and blur it out so it doesnt gain any visual contrast
Bungie had mastered the art of "set extension" while halo 4 its just sandboxed aesthetics.[/quote]
It is the truth, just compare the background of [url=http://i.imgur.com/zPU6s.jpg]this, which expands on,[/url] to [url=http://i.imgur.com/b2Aag.jpg]this[/url] which ends in a flat plane. Does anyone remember getting out of the map on Valhalla? The skybox went up for miles into literal space, which is how they achieved such great looking skyboxes.
Then onto general aesthetics. Look at [url=http://i.imgur.com/ZXmUl.jpg]this image,[/url] now look at [url=http://i.imgur.com/USuA6.jpg]this one.[/url] If I didn't know any better I'd say those were 2 completely different game series. I can see literally no resemblance between the two. You may say "Oh but Mr. Black Eagle this IS a new game, with comprehensive enemies and a new story!" Yes, all 3 of them. The Promethean force is 3 enemies that are reskinned. That is not variety. Elites? [url=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120420211243/halo/images/5/53/Halo_4_visuel_render_5.jpg]They have skin disease now.[/url] What is [url=http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Halo-4-Covenant-Grunt.jpg]this monster?[/url] Because I can tell you that it isn't a grunt.
To conclude I can't believe that people are sitting by and accepting what is essentially the -blam!- of Halo as it is quickly warped by 343. I would like to end with one last photo. [url=http://i.imgur.com/xu67N.jpg]Derp.[/url] That is all. No wait, [url=http://i.imgur.com/gkXhl.png]Now I'm done.[/url]
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Well, first I just want to say that I do completely understand where you are coming from. Many of the things you mentioned I noticed after playing the game for a while, and some things did really stick out and bug me when I looked closely at the back ground, I think they butchered living dead with the flood mode ( what was my favorite game type in Reach). I recently made a post about how I hated what they did in the legendary ending, but after that post and the replies that I received I know a few things for certain. No 343i is not Bungie and they never will be, so sadly the great care that Bungie has had with Halo will not be the same, and Halo 4 is proof that 343i is doing exactly what they want with what is now theirs, if I was making the game I would have done things differently, but you must agree that taking Halo aside it is a pretty impressive game, and ambitious considering this is the first game the studio has made. All I want to leave you with is the fact that even though Bungie has passed Halo on, the great care they have had in Halo will be in their new game, and I for one cannot wait to see what they are making, I am more excited for what Bungie is producing right now then for Halo 5, but being the Halo fanatic and fanboy that I am, I can tell you 2 years from now (or when ever they release Halo 5) I will be standing outside of GameStop waiting in the cold to get my hands on Halo 5, because in the end I'm a Halo fan and no matter who is making it, I will be right in line to get my hands on a copy.
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Oh no halo 4 isnt a copy paste halp 3 and halp 2. NOOO!! 343 IS RUINING EVERYTHING!! NOOO!! Drink bleach, light yourself on fire then jump in front of a passing train -blam!-.
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K You have made your point. You can stop now Reported for spam
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343i pooped on Halo. Why did they take out the X over your dead body? No more call outs either. That all reduces chatter/team work. Not a fan of the OPEN JOINABLE servers. Why would i want to join in on a game that is nearing end? Not just an end, but getting put on the team that is losing?! They killed the grav lifts too. Especially on Adrift. Sure it's "their first game." But seriously?! Bungie employees went over to 343. Shouldn't they have told them to LISTEN TO THE FANS?!?! Ugh 343 sucks.
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That fist Halo 3 pic makes me realize how -blam!- awesome Cortana's hair was.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ice Penjamin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 I'm not taking a side on this one, but the BR looks like they took a Famas and drew it up all futuristic. It looks nothing like a BR.[/quote]I'm pretty sure they based the BR on the Famas in the first place.[/quote] Now it looks like they tried to recreate a Famas, but add a slightly futuristic touch to it. Very ugly.[/quote] Why would you bring back this cancer-filled thread?[/quote]I agree with Aang, not only has this been dead for a long while now, it's conversation was pretty dead as well.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ice Penjamin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 I'm not taking a side on this one, but the BR looks like they took a Famas and drew it up all futuristic. It looks nothing like a BR.[/quote]I'm pretty sure they based the BR on the Famas in the first place.[/quote] Now it looks like they tried to recreate a Famas, but add a slightly futuristic touch to it. Very ugly.[/quote] Why would you bring back this cancer-filled thread?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ice Penjamin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 I'm not taking a side on this one, but the BR looks like they took a Famas and drew it up all futuristic. It looks nothing like a BR.[/quote]I'm pretty sure they based the BR on the Famas in the first place.[/quote] Now it looks like they tried to recreate a Famas, but add a slightly futuristic touch to it. Very ugly.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 I'm not taking a side on this one, but the BR looks like they took a Famas and drew it up all futuristic. It looks nothing like a BR.[/quote]I'm pretty sure they based the BR on the Famas in the first place.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ExplodingXbox [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RyanW [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 I'm not taking a side on this one, but the BR looks like they took a Famas and drew it up all futuristic. It looks nothing like a BR.[/quote] But in Halo2/3 the BR looked like a less detailed Famas[/quote] It looked like a BR. It wasn't a completely square, grainy gray, disgusting square with a holographic scope, that overall looked almost nothing like the original.[/quote] [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/BR85HB_SR_Battle_Rifle]But they are[/url] actually [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/BR55HB_SR_Battle_Rifle]two different guns[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MrR46 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OneDeadCaveMan 343 wat r u doin 343 stahp[/quote] Lol this is all over the flood. Is this a Dolan thing?[/quote] Reminds me of Arby n the Chief.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MrR46 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OneDeadCaveMan 343 wat r u doin 343 stahp[/quote] Lol this is all over the flood. Is this a Dolan thing?[/quote]Yes, yes it is. I don't actually have a problem with H4 or 343, but I felt like, with the title, this is relevant.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OneDeadCaveMan 343 wat r u doin 343 stahp[/quote] Lol this is all over the flood. Is this a Dolan thing?
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343 wat r u doin 343 stahp
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RyanW [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 I'm not taking a side on this one, but the BR looks like they took a Famas and drew it up all futuristic. It looks nothing like a BR.[/quote] But in Halo2/3 the BR looked like a less detailed Famas[/quote] It looked like a BR. It wasn't a completely square, grainy gray, disgusting square with a holographic scope, that overall looked almost nothing like the original.
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The H4 BR looks hideous. I don't know how anyone can argue that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 I'm not taking a side on this one, but the BR looks like they took a Famas and drew it up all futuristic. It looks nothing like a BR.[/quote] But in Halo2/3 the BR looked like a less detailed Famas
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Black Eagle X99 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Black Eagle X99 [url=http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/screenshots/Halo4/e32012_halo4_campaign6.jpg]Look at the waterfall, you can literally see where the backdrop goes flat. That is the problem. And those trees? They are flat aswell around the same spot.[/url] In that picture I see some Halo vehicles but who is that guy and what gun is he holding? Is this some kind of Halo/Crisis crossover?[/quote] Okay clearly we aren't looking at things the same way because to me that shot looks gorgeous and I don't see how you can find any problems with it. And are you serious? That guy is clearly Master Chief, I don't understand why you're so upset his armor changed a little bit. Halo/Crisis crossover, because it's in a forest? That's literally the only similarity I see between the two.[/quote]The armor and gun look like crysis. [/quote] The BR looks like a more detailed one from Halo 3.... Chief's armor is also more detailed, with a couple minor modifications. If you're seriously upset with all this then I don't know what to say. [/quote] I'm not taking a side on this one, but the BR looks like they took a Famas and drew it up all futuristic. It looks nothing like a BR.[/quote]What he said, I understand defending 343, but come on man.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Black Eagle X99 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Black Eagle X99 [url=http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/screenshots/Halo4/e32012_halo4_campaign6.jpg]Look at the waterfall, you can literally see where the backdrop goes flat. That is the problem. And those trees? They are flat aswell around the same spot.[/url] In that picture I see some Halo vehicles but who is that guy and what gun is he holding? Is this some kind of Halo/Crisis crossover?[/quote] Okay clearly we aren't looking at things the same way because to me that shot looks gorgeous and I don't see how you can find any problems with it. And are you serious? That guy is clearly Master Chief, I don't understand why you're so upset his armor changed a little bit. Halo/Crisis crossover, because it's in a forest? That's literally the only similarity I see between the two.[/quote]The armor and gun look like crysis. [/quote] The BR looks like a more detailed one from Halo 3.... Chief's armor is also more detailed, with a couple minor modifications. If you're seriously upset with all this then I don't know what to say. [/quote] I'm not taking a side on this one, but the BR looks like they took a Famas and drew it up all futuristic. It looks nothing like a BR.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Black Eagle X99 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Black Eagle X99 [url=http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/screenshots/Halo4/e32012_halo4_campaign6.jpg]Look at the waterfall, you can literally see where the backdrop goes flat. That is the problem. And those trees? They are flat aswell around the same spot.[/url] In that picture I see some Halo vehicles but who is that guy and what gun is he holding? Is this some kind of Halo/Crisis crossover?[/quote] Okay clearly we aren't looking at things the same way because to me that shot looks gorgeous and I don't see how you can find any problems with it. And are you serious? That guy is clearly Master Chief, I don't understand why you're so upset his armor changed a little bit. Halo/Crisis crossover, because it's in a forest? That's literally the only similarity I see between the two.[/quote]The armor and gun look like crysis. [/quote] The BR looks like a more detailed one from Halo 3.... Chief's armor is also more detailed, with a couple minor modifications. If you're seriously upset with all this then I don't know what to say.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twiggyy I'm reserving my judgement until the game actually comes out and I play it. Anyways, I find it silly that OP is using shots that don't represent the game equally. One photo has actual gameplay and the other is a stock photo from IGN/343 (or something else similar).[/quote]Both were IGN stock gameplay photos. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Black Eagle X99 [url=http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/screenshots/Halo4/e32012_halo4_campaign6.jpg]Look at the waterfall, you can literally see where the backdrop goes flat. That is the problem. And those trees? They are flat aswell around the same spot.[/url] In that picture I see some Halo vehicles but who is that guy and what gun is he holding? Is this some kind of Halo/Crisis crossover?[/quote] Okay clearly we aren't looking at things the same way because to me that shot looks gorgeous and I don't see how you can find any problems with it. And are you serious? That guy is clearly Master Chief, I don't understand why you're so upset his armor changed a little bit. Halo/Crisis crossover, because it's in a forest? That's literally the only similarity I see between the two.[/quote]The armor and gun look like crysis.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Black Eagle X99 [url=http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/screenshots/Halo4/e32012_halo4_campaign6.jpg]Look at the waterfall, you can literally see where the backdrop goes flat. That is the problem. And those trees? They are flat aswell around the same spot.[/url] In that picture I see some Halo vehicles but who is that guy and what gun is he holding? Is this some kind of Halo/Crisis crossover?[/quote] Okay clearly we aren't looking at things the same way because to me that shot looks gorgeous and I don't see how you can find any problems with it. And are you serious? That guy is clearly Master Chief, I don't understand why you're so upset his armor changed a little bit. Halo/Crisis crossover, because it's in a forest? That's literally the only similarity I see between the two.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Black Eagle X99 [url=http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/screenshots/Halo4/e32012_halo4_campaign6.jpg]Look at the waterfall, you can literally see where the backdrop goes flat. That is the problem. And those trees? They are flat aswell around the same spot.[/url] In that picture I see some Halo vehicles but who is that guy and what gun is he holding? Is this some kind of Halo/Crisis crossover?[/quote] Okay clearly we aren't looking at things the same way because to me that shot looks gorgeous and I don't see how you can find any problems with it. And are you serious? That guy is clearly Master Chief, I don't understand why you're so upset his armor changed a little bit. Halo/Crisis crossover, because it's in a forest? That's literally the only similarity I see between the two.[/quote] The game looks good and it is Halo. /thread
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Black Eagle X99 [url=http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/screenshots/Halo4/e32012_halo4_campaign6.jpg]Look at the waterfall, you can literally see where the backdrop goes flat. That is the problem. And those trees? They are flat aswell around the same spot.[/url] In that picture I see some Halo vehicles but who is that guy and what gun is he holding? Is this some kind of Halo/Crisis crossover?[/quote] Okay clearly we aren't looking at things the same way because to me that shot looks gorgeous and I don't see how you can find any problems with it. And are you serious? That guy is clearly Master Chief, I don't understand why you're so upset his armor changed a little bit. Halo/Crisis crossover, because it's in a forest? That's literally the only similarity I see between the two.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WhiteFang0699 Halo 4 looks Graphically better than Halo 3.[/quote] [url=http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/ocdropzone/misc%20crap/misc%20stuff/facepalmgif.gif]You actually think that, don't you?[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Black Eagle X99 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RyanW Was it not nanobots that was the reason for the new suit?[/quote]I have no clue, any reason with chiefs suit really can make no sense. It just can't. His armor is NOT self upgrading and as such he should not have changed. I hate to break it to everyone, but armor isn't a person. It doesn't get bigger when you sleep.[/quote]It's called a Retcon. If they were to do a Halo 2, or 3 Anniversary, that's what MC's armor would look like.
