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8/16/2012 1:41:49 AM
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So why is there a profanity filter on a M rated game's website?
T4R. That's like having a children' board on 4chan.
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You basically answered the question yourself. The game is rated M, not the website. There is a difference.
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Joe Staten (boy I hope I remember this right....) said a while after Halo 1 came out that he did not think Halo would have received an M rating if it had been released before the 9/11/01 terrorist attack. There are shooting games like Fracture that receive Teen ratings and Halo is no worse than they are. Lastly, curse words are not necessary to discuss the wonder of Halo. This is a red herring. [Edited on 08.17.2012 4:15 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Breadisgood91 I would like to point you in the direction of the search bar. Also what is 4 chan?[/quote]It's a forums for the big (and slightly/extremely perverted) boys and girls.
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Harrison's mom doesn't like bad words.
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evilcam brings up a valid point. There are pros and cons but I personally do not have a problem with the current system.
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What does swearing have anything to do with adult-ratings? If anything, swearing cause one can is more of a kid thing to do anyways.
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Because kids, yes "kids" play Bungie games too, regaurdless if it's rated M and they enjoy these forums too. I think we don't allow profanity because of them, and the fact that trolls would have a big advantage.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy I personally don't perceive words like -blam!-, -blam!-, -blam!-, -blam!-, and -blam!- as taboo. Why aren't the synonyms of those words considered taboo when they imply the same meaning?[/quote]Because the implied meaning connected to those words. It's like the distinction between me saying "Your mother is a classy lady" in a serious and a upstanding tone and me saying the same phrase while making wolf sounds and elbowing the rib of the gentlemen to my left. In other words "You're a piece of -blam!-" is a much nastier phrase than "You're a poopie head", even if the meaning is give or take the same.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy I wasn't joking. I was showing that the "it isn't needed" argument is awful.[/quote]You were seriously trying to equate profanity to all form of textual communication? I mean I know people say swearing is the mark of a bad vocabulary but damn.[/quote]I personally don't perceive words like -blam!-, -blam!-, -blam!-, -blam!-, and -blam!- as taboo. Why aren't the synonyms of those words considered taboo when they imply the same meaning?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] evilcam I personally would rather Bungie did away with the profanity filter. I understand why its there, why its useful, and why its probably never going away. I'd just rather we not have those restrictions on principle, and would honestly rather no longer have to enforce it. I would still of course punish people for name-calling, harassment, politics, etc whenever they come up, as I do now. I don't like having to enforce the profanity filter, for my own personal reasons, and because I don't think it really does a lot. It might prevent some name-calling or excessive use of profanity, but I think the cure is worse than the disease. People do still all of the above all the time, profanity filter or not. The profanity filter just gives the users yet another way to violate our rules. Which, again, they do quite frequently. I'd rather just let them say what they want to say, and however they want to say it, and punish ancillary violations whenever they come up. I think that calling another user a name is a serious problem. I think discussing politics and religion and all that turns into serious problems. I don't think someone saying the g word or the l word, or even the f word is that big a deal. The same rules that we use to try to keep it civil here would all be in effect. We could still ban people for what we deem as excessive use of profanity. I will continue to enforce the profanity filter rule, as I have always done, and the other rules because Bungie asked me to. Its their website, their rules, and I will moderate their way. Just throwing my two cents into the fray.[/quote] Goddamn I wish I could give you a hug right now. [/quote][/quote]
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Because the users are not mature enough to be left without one?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy I wasn't joking. I was showing that the "it isn't needed" argument is awful.[/quote]You were seriously trying to equate profanity to all form of textual communication? I mean I know people say swearing is the mark of a bad vocabulary but damn.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Puma Knight Question: Why do you need to use profanity?[/quote]Why do we need to type sentences on this website?[/quote]Because communicating through dubstep is so inefficient.[/quote]But we CAN communicate through dubstep, correct? Therefore we don't NEED to type out sentences to send messages.[/quote]The joke is now dead[/quote]I wasn't joking. I was showing that the "it isn't needed" argument is awful. Wow guys, I accidentally double-posted. Post faster! :O [Edited on 08.16.2012 2:36 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] evilcam I personally would rather Bungie did away with the profanity filter. I understand why its there, why its useful, and why its probably never going away. I'd just rather we not have those restrictions on principle, and would honestly rather no longer have to enforce it. I would still of course punish people for name-calling, harassment, politics, etc whenever they come up, as I do now. I don't like having to enforce the profanity filter, for my own personal reasons, and because I don't think it really does a lot. It might prevent some name-calling or excessive use of profanity, but I think the cure is worse than the disease. People do still all of the above all the time, profanity filter or not. The profanity filter just gives the users yet another way to violate our rules. Which, again, they do quite frequently. I'd rather just let them say what they want to say, and however they want to say it, and punish ancillary violations whenever they come up. I think that calling another user a name is a serious problem. I think discussing politics and religion and all that turns into serious problems. I don't think someone saying the g word or the l word, or even the f word is that big a deal. The same rules that we use to try to keep it civil here would all be in effect. We could still ban people for what we deem as excessive use of profanity. I will continue to enforce the profanity filter rule, as I have always done, and the other rules because Bungie asked me to. Its their website, their rules, and I will moderate their way. Just throwing my two cents into the fray.[/quote] Goddamn I wish I could give you a hug right now. [/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Puma Knight Question: Why do you need to use profanity?[/quote]Why do we need to type sentences on this website?[/quote]Because communicating through dubstep is so inefficient.[/quote]But we CAN communicate through dubstep, correct? Therefore we don't NEED to type out sentences to send messages.[/quote]The joke is now dead. Anyway the real reason is that without it the phrase: [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Some random bloke Because -blam!- you, that's why.[/quote]Will become far too popular. To be honest it's much harder to be a -blam!- when you know any profanity will be blotted out. [Edited on 08.16.2012 2:34 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] evilcam I personally would rather Bungie did away with the profanity filter. I understand why its there, why its useful, and why its probably never going away. I'd just rather we not have those restrictions on principle, and would honestly rather no longer have to enforce it. I would still of course punish people for name-calling, harassment, politics, etc whenever they come up, as I do now. I don't like having to enforce the profanity filter, for my own personal reasons, and because I don't think it really does a lot. It might prevent some name-calling or excessive use of profanity, but I think the cure is worse than the disease. People do still all of the above all the time, profanity filter or not. The profanity filter just gives the users yet another way to violate our rules. Which, again, they do quite frequently. I'd rather just let them say what they want to say, and however they want to say it, and punish ancillary violations whenever they come up. I think that calling another user a name is a serious problem. I think discussing politics and religion and all that turns into serious problems. I don't think someone saying the g word or the l word, or even the f word is that big a deal. The same rules that we use to try to keep it civil here would all be in effect. We could still ban people for what we deem as excessive use of profanity. I will continue to enforce the profanity filter rule, as I have always done, and the other rules because Bungie asked me to. Its their website, their rules, and I will moderate their way. Just throwing my two cents into the fray.[/quote] Goddamn I wish I could give you a hug right now.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xplode441 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 I see 'black' used to insult or demean people all the time. "So these black kids were being rude..." is a perfect example. I see stuff like that a great deal. But 'black' isn't filtered.[/quote] That's not a very good example. Seeing as how it's being used as a descriptive word to give more information about the rude people. Had it been the n word or something provocative, then it would be insulting or demeaning. I could just as easily say that the word white is insulting, but it's not. This is bungie.net, not politicallyaccurate.com.[/quote] No, there's no reason to include the person's race in my example except to imply that that characteristic has to do with the behavior. If it was "these white kids were being rude", then I would say the same thing.
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I personally would rather Bungie did away with the profanity filter. I understand why its there, why its useful, and why its probably never going away. I'd just rather we not have those restrictions on principle, and would honestly rather no longer have to enforce it. I would still of course punish people for name-calling, harassment, politics, etc whenever they come up, as I do now. I don't like having to enforce the profanity filter, for my own personal reasons, and because I don't think it really does a lot. It might prevent some name-calling or excessive use of profanity, but I think the cure is worse than the disease. People do still all of the above all the time, profanity filter or not. The profanity filter just gives the users yet another way to violate our rules. Which, again, they do quite frequently. I'd rather just let them say what they want to say, and however they want to say it, and punish ancillary violations whenever they come up. I think that calling another user a name is a serious problem. I think discussing politics and religion and all that turns into serious problems. I don't think someone saying the g word or the l word, or even the f word is that big a deal. The same rules that we use to try to keep it civil here would all be in effect. We could still ban people for what we deem as excessive use of profanity. I will continue to enforce the profanity filter rule, as I have always done, and the other rules because Bungie asked me to. Its their website, their rules, and I will moderate their way. Just throwing my two cents into the fray. [Edited on 08.16.2012 2:26 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 I see 'black' used to insult or demean people all the time. "So these black kids were being rude..." is a perfect example. I see stuff like that a great deal. But 'black' isn't filtered.[/quote] That's not a very good example. Seeing as how it's being used as a descriptive word to give more information about the rude people. Had it been the n word or something provocative, then it would be insulting or demeaning. I could just as easily say that the word white is insulting, but it's not. This is bungie.net, not politicallyaccurate.com.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Puma Knight Question: Why do you need to use profanity?[/quote]Why do we need to type sentences on this website?[/quote]Because communicating through dubstep is so inefficient.[/quote]But we CAN communicate through dubstep, correct? Therefore we don't NEED to type out sentences to send messages.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xplode441 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 Filtering out 'the g word' so it can't be used as an insult is like filtering out the word 'black' for the same reason. It's not like putting the dog on a leash, it's like locking it in the basement. Clearly some control is required, but taking it to extremes is pointless and doesn't do anything. [/quote] How often do you see the word "black" used by 13 year olds to describe someone they dislike?[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] edableshoe You're missing the point. People don't use "black" as an insult, but there are some who use the "g word" as an insult, which is not only offensive to the individual, it is also an insult to that community (the homosecksuals).[/quote] I see 'black' used to insult or demean people all the time. "So these black kids were being rude..." is a perfect example. I see stuff like that a great deal. But 'black' isn't filtered. [Edited on 08.16.2012 1:48 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Puma Knight Question: Why do you need to use profanity?[/quote]Why do we need to type sentences on this website?[/quote]Because communicating through dubstep is so inefficient.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Puma Knight Question: Why do you need to use profanity?[/quote]Why do we need to type sentences on this website?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Verachi [/quote] Wow. What he said.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] edableshoe [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] edableshoe OT: There is one thing I have always been confused about concerning these threads. What is it exactly that the OP, and those that wish to remove/limit the filter really want? What is it they are thinking will be achieved by allowing these words to be seen?[/quote] I don't think getting rid of the filter entirely is a good idea. But some words in the filter aren't profane, like "LGBT" (fully spelled out). I get that these words can be used as insults. But so can any other label. If we're going to block words because they can be used as insults, let's block: Idiot, feminist, liberal, [i]coolmike699[/i], conservative, stupid, and every other word that is often used to insult someone. [/quote]lol ur such a coolmike Then it comes down to a matter of oppressive words. There's that one word we all know about, and it was used to break down and hold a minority below the quality of the majority. The same can be said about the LGBT, even though that isn't fair. Just like the word [i]retarded,[/i] the words you spoke about can be used to insult a person, but usage in this way is unkind not only to the person you are insulting, but more so insulting the group that these words actually apply to. All racial slurs are filtered, so it makes sense that any possible secksual slur is filtered too, as well as the actual words, because, they can be unfairly used as an insult. Just as Recon said, there are plenty of dogs who would gladly walk along without tugging at the leash, but because there are those few that have to tug, we must all be put on a leash.[/quote] Filtering out 'the g word' so it can't be used as an insult is like filtering out the word 'black' for the same reason. It's not like putting the dog on a leash, it's like locking it in the basement. Clearly some control is required, but taking it to extremes is pointless and doesn't do anything. [/quote]You're missing the point. People don't use "black" as an insult, but there are some who use the "g word" as an insult, which is not only offensive to the individual, it is also an insult to that community (the homosecksuals). We are on the leash that is the filter because there are those that would use this term in an insulting way. In just the same way they would use the N word offensively, and many other of these sorts of words.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 Filtering out 'the g word' so it can't be used as an insult is like filtering out the word 'black' for the same reason. It's not like putting the dog on a leash, it's like locking it in the basement. Clearly some control is required, but taking it to extremes is pointless and doesn't do anything. [/quote] How often do you see the word "black" used by 13 year olds to describe someone they dislike? Also, I feel like you're implying that conversation on this site is severely restricted by the filter list. I disagree, we're free to roam as far as the leash is long, but once we stray too far we start to choke ourselves. I think we've done fine with the profanity filter as is, and while it could use improvement, it doesn't need to be immediate. If you want to discuss subjects using words banned by the profanity filter then join a private group or a website dedicated to it. Unless Achronos decides that the community can use those words and removes them from the filter list and changes the rules.
