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8/11/2012 8:01:04 PM
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Are you in favor Same Sex Marriage? Why/Why not?
NOTE: I read the rules. This isn't political, as I'm not taking any side of a political party.
If this gets out of hand, however, I will close the thread, and erase the OP.
Calmly state your standpoint, why you have that standpoint, and respectfully listen/disagree with someone else's.
The -blam!- filter should not be breached, and there should be no hurt feelings from this thread. I merely want to know the Flood's standpoint on the matter.
I personally am strongly for it.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with it, and I haven't so much as glanced at the chick-fil-a since it was discovered they gave money to anti--blam!--blam!- organizations.
Love is love.
And if Chick-fil-a can say their opinion, and discriminate against -blam!--blam!-s, I can say my opinion and not eat there.
OP Lives in Dallas BTW
[Edited on 08.11.2012 12:03 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Forum Troll No. According to a book called the bible it's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Just sayin'[/quote]Adam and Eve never married.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustin 6047 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S 24993 JAMES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustin 6047 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S 24993 JAMES No. The term marriage is so tightly wound with religion now that they might as well just keep the term. And just make a sort of civil union which basically gives all the benifits marriage gives now, and that anyone can get.[/quote]Marriage is something regulated by the government. By the rule, "the state and the church are separate," this has nothing to do with religion and hence it has no place or being in this argument.[/quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#Marriage_and_religion]K...[/url][/quote]Do you even know why the bible doesn't believe in gey marriage?[/quote]No, and frankly I don't care. That post was completely unneccessary. I honestly don't know if you're trying to get the thread locked. Firstly, just to clarify, I'm not actually against ghey couples at all, and I'm also not a religious person. So let the discussions about religious morals end there, this thread doesn't need to be locked. My point was just to make marriage something that only same-sex couples can recieve, but it has no benifits, and make the civil union something that any couple can recieve, but it recieves all the benifits marriage recieves (Or vice versa, the names of the terms really aren't important). I may not agree with christianity's veiws on ghey marriage, but I respect their right to have them. IMO this is the best solution for everyone.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustin 6047 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RECON828 Either way, I support same sex legal legal union, just not sure if it should be called marriage or not. Imagine you set up a lemonade stand. It does great and then the kid across the street sets up a lemonade stand. The other kid's stand, however, also sells cola. In that case, was it was ever really a lemonade stand to begin with? I have no problem with the kid selling the cola, but is it right to still define it as a lemonade stand if he's selling cola as well? If the answer to that last question is yes, then there's no problem. I'm not sure about what you said about the "many definitions" thing. I'm pretty sure there'll be a clear-cut definition somewhere. Isn't it still being debated to this day?[/quote]You're missing the point. Definition shouldn't matter regardless that a "clear-cut definition" doesn't exist. [/quote] The word "marriage" didn't just sort of fall out of peoples' mouths. It has foundations, rules and legal ramifications. If you can provide me a valid source saying there isn't a clear-cut definition or that there is one but it doesn't make it exclusive to a man and a woman, I'll shut up. I get I'm being nit-picky with the topic, and I'm still in favour of same sex legal unions that would be lawfully equal to marriage, I just want to know if it'd be right to call it marriage or something else.
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No. They are making such a big deal about it. I think it is a cover up for the liberals for them not to see what damage they are really doing. I see it as a sin.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jrv2005 >2012 >getting married Go ahead kids, legally bind yourself to someone for "tax breaks" so they can take your kids and half your money for the rest of your life when they eventually leave you for a bigger -blam!-. [/quote] so edgy, so brave.
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I hear anal sex can help with digestion.
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>2012 >getting married Go ahead kids, legally bind yourself to someone for "tax breaks" so they can take your kids and half your money for the rest of your life when they eventually leave you for a bigger -blam!-.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XwyvZ No, you don't. Find a passage in the Bible that says God didn't want ghey people because of population. ill wait [/quote]Yes I do. I know enough about ancient civilization and I hope you know this isn't just something made on the spot, it is widely known among archaeologists and historians. [Edited on 08.11.2012 12:24 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RECON828 Either way, I support same sex legal legal union, just not sure if it should be called marriage or not. Imagine you set up a lemonade stand. It does great and then the kid across the street sets up a lemonade stand. The other kid's stand, however, also sells cola. In that case, was it was ever really a lemonade stand to begin with? I have no problem with the kid selling the cola, but is it right to still define it as a lemonade stand if he's selling cola as well? If the answer to that last question is yes, then there's no problem. I'm not sure about what you said about the "many definitions" thing. I'm pretty sure there'll be a clear-cut definition somewhere. Isn't it still being debated to this day?[/quote]You're missing the point. Definition shouldn't matter regardless that a "clear-cut definition" doesn't exist.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustin 6047 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XwyvZ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustin 6047 Do you even know why the bible doesn't believe in gey marriage? It's the same reason they don't believe in contraception, or abortion. Back when the birth mortality rate was higher than its successful birth rate, it was highly looked down upon if you weren't contributing to help make a sustainable human population. Of course that no longer it necessary. Society has changed indeed. [/quote]^never read the Bible[/quote] Elaborate your point. And no I didn't the read the bible, but I know enough to know where these ideas originated from.[/quote]No, you don't. Find a passage in the Bible that says God didn't want ghey people because of population. ill wait
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XwyvZ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustin 6047 Do you even know why the bible doesn't believe in gey marriage? It's the same reason they don't believe in contraception, or abortion. Back when the birth mortality rate was higher than its successful birth rate, it was highly looked down upon if you weren't contributing to help make a sustainable human population. Of course that no longer it necessary. Society has changed indeed. [/quote]^never read the Bible[/quote] Elaborate your point. And no I didn't the read the bible, but I know enough to know where these ideas originated from.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WinyPit82 Guys, stop bringing up religion. [/quote] The only argument against it is religion. And it isn't even a good one.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustin 6047 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RECON828 I dunno. I used to be completely OK with it but I'm not sure on the exact definition of marriage. I'm under the impression that it was originally designed to be a union between a man and a woman, with that being the whole point of it. If this is true, I don't see the point in changing the whole point of the ceremony purely just because it's politically correct. In that case, I obviously don't have a problem with them being together or anything like that, just think that it goes against the definition. If the impression I'm under is a bad one (and I'm aware it most likely is), then I see no problem with it at all. I'm not sure what it is and don't care enough to google. Please don't bite my balls if I'm wrong about it. Honestly, I wish the rights given to married couples could be accessed without being married. I find it a bit of a pointless constitution, to be honest.[/quote]Should society base itself off of loose definitions or by what benefits said society in terms of happiness and peace? Also, there is no formal, single-tier definition, there are many.[/quote] Either way, I support same sex legal legal union, just not sure if it should be called marriage or not. Imagine you set up a lemonade stand. It does great and then the kid across the street sets up a lemonade stand. The other kid's stand, however, also sells cola. In that case, was it was ever really a lemonade stand to begin with? I have no problem with the kid selling the cola, but is it right to still define it as a lemonade stand if he's selling cola as well? If the answer to that last question is yes, then there's no problem. I'm not sure about what you said about the "many definitions" thing. I'm pretty sure there'll be a clear-cut definition somewhere. Isn't it still being debated to this day? [Edited on 08.11.2012 12:21 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FinnA9X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WinyPit82 [b]There is [u]no[/u] logical argument against same-sex marriage.[/b][/quote] [quote][b]There is [u]no[/u] logical argument against same-sex marriage.[/b][/quote] [quote][b]There is [u]no[/u] logical argument against same-sex marriage.[/b][/quote] [quote][b]There is [u]no[/u] logical argument against same-sex marriage.[/b][/quote] [quote][b]There is [u]no[/u] logical argument against same-sex marriage.[/b][/quote][/quote]
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Guys, stop bringing up religion.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] krisman1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hoggs Bison [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] krisman1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XwyvZ psss op dont buy anymore Oil youre funding discrimination [/quote] My apartment is heated with Natural Gas[/quote] That doesn't really matter. If you pay taxes, you support discrimination, among other, much more terrible crimes. Your tax money has been used to prop up ruthless dictators, for example. So the question you have to ask yourself, and this goes for X as well, is whether you're going to try and live in an ideal world where you can completely live by your principles or whether you're just going to live by them to the best of your ability. [/quote] Or, the money goes to the local school, roads, and salaries of police officers and teachers... I'm really struggling to find your point. While I can't control where my tax dollars go, I CAN control where MY money goes. [/quote] No, part of it definitely goes to questionable acts in foreign policy. So that's really the point: you can't control everything in life, including where your money goes. But that wouldn't really make me lose any sleep. For example, I don't eat at Chick-Fil-A, but I still buy gasoline. OMG hypocrisy! Nah. There are some things in life that are essential, like buying gas and paying taxes. There are no real alternatives. The battles I [i]can[/i] fight are the ones that I will.
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Two people who love each other getting married. Why would I want to deny them that?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] W0lfkill [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Forum Troll No. According to a book called the bible it's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Just sayin'[/quote] Not everyone is Christian, y'know. Atheists can get married in a church, why cant people of the same sex?[/quote] I'm not christian either. I can't come up with a logical reason as to why not other than it not being socially acceptable.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustin 6047 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S 24993 JAMES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustin 6047 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S 24993 JAMES No. The term marriage is so tightly wound with religion now that they might as well just keep the term. And just make a sort of civil union which basically gives all the benifits marriage gives now, and that anyone can get.[/quote]Marriage is something regulated by the government. By the rule, "the state and the church are separate," this has nothing to do with religion and hence it has no place or being in this argument.[/quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#Marriage_and_religion]K...[/url][/quote]Do you even know why the bible doesn't believe in gey marriage? It's the same reason they don't believe in contraception, or abortion. Back when the birth mortality rate was higher than its successful birth rate, it was highly looked down upon if you weren't contributing to help make a sustainable human population. Of course that no longer it necessary. Society has changed indeed. [/quote]^never read the Bible
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S 24993 JAMES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustin 6047 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S 24993 JAMES No. The term marriage is so tightly wound with religion now that they might as well just keep the term. And just make a sort of civil union which basically gives all the benifits marriage gives now, and that anyone can get.[/quote]Marriage is something regulated by the government. By the rule, "the state and the church are separate," this has nothing to do with religion and hence it has no place or being in this argument.[/quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#Marriage_and_religion]K...[/url][/quote]Do you even know why the bible doesn't believe in gey marriage? It's the same reason they don't believe in contraception, or abortion. Back when the birth mortality rate was higher than its successful birth rate, it was highly looked down upon if you weren't contributing to help make a sustainable human population. Of course that no longer it necessary. Society has changed indeed. Also, the government has already absorbed marriage into the law of the land, and so long as the constitution wants to be logical, it will abide to rule that all people are created equal and will help out in whatever way possible to pave way for one's pursuit of happiness.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WinyPit82 [b]There is [u]no[/u] logical argument against same-sex marriage.[/b][/quote] [quote][b]There is [u]no[/u] logical argument against same-sex marriage.[/b][/quote] [quote][b]There is [u]no[/u] logical argument against same-sex marriage.[/b][/quote] [quote][b]There is [u]no[/u] logical argument against same-sex marriage.[/b][/quote] [quote][b]There is [u]no[/u] logical argument against same-sex marriage.[/b][/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] oaklandp8ntbalr [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S 24993 JAMES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustin 6047 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S 24993 JAMES No. The term marriage is so tightly wound with religion now that they might as well just keep the term. And just make a sort of civil union which basically gives all the benifits marriage gives now, and that anyone can get.[/quote]Marriage is something regulated by the government. By the rule, "the state and the church are separate," this has nothing to do with religion and hence it has no place or being in this argument.[/quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#Marriage_and_religion]K...[/url][/quote] First line of the article says marriage is a legal contract. Legal. Religion is not an argument in a court of law.[/quote]So? This thread asked for my personal opinion and I gave it. The court of law is kind of irrelevant.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Forum Troll No. According to a book called the bible it's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Just sayin'[/quote] Not everyone is Christian, y'know. Atheists can get married in a church, why cant people of the same sex?
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Were happy letting marriages between a man and woman fall through in less than a year, so surely it shouldn't be a crime if we were to let two same sex people who actually love each other to get married.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Scoopicus Yes. There's no reason we shouldn't have it.[/quote]
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psss op youre so tolerable
