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8/8/2012 5:43:17 PM
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NASA: Global Warming to blame for recent Heat Waves.
[url=http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/07/30/1205276109.abstract]Duh.[/url]
Isn't this like saying fire is the reason my house burned down?
Oh well. And they say GLOBAL WARMING not Climate Change. That's important. We can stop beating around the bush and calling it what it is not. Climate Change implies it can go either way. Global Warming says its changing in a distinct way.
[url=http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/08/july-was-hottest-month-on-record-for-contiguous-u-s-noaa-says/?hpt=hp_t1]Given that this is the hottest July since we started keeping records on this sort of thing[/url] it gets to be pretty obvious.
Now, what can we do about it, if anything at all? Are there ways we can start to prepare for what's coming our way? Maybe try to reverse it with technologies like Carbon Sequestering and Orbital Solar Shields? Maybe start the migration inland as the water level rises? Something?
Or are we going to bury our heads in the sand and pretend its a political argument, and say that change, any change, is bad for business.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie OK, Global Warming = Everywhere on the Globe is getting warmer. Climate change = the climate is changing. Human intervention may or may not be in either one. One states that things are in flux, the other indicates a direction of change. Why is this hard? *facepalm* every one on the flood ate paint chips as children.[/quote] Humans are definitely contributing to the ever changing climate. We destroy or vastly weaken ecosystems for fuels and raw materials and that has an effect on the climate. We may not be responsible but we're definitely speeding it up.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie I'm done. You guys can continue all you want. Look, when every scientist in this field says something is true, I would listen. I don't think I know better than everyone else anymore.[/quote] When those same scientists can't even get a prediction within 150% it's hard to think they know what they are talking about. Their original predictions were 300% off. That's like NASA trying to send Curiosity to Mars and it ending up in the Asteroid Belt. They might as well just be guessing with how accurate their climate models have proven to be.[/quote] Yup, you are smarter than NASA... I say we elect you as National Science Adviser.[/quote] I never said I was smarter than NASA. I said their models aren't accurate. Which is something you'd know if you actually paid any attention. When their models predict it will have warmed by 4-5 degrees and it warms by .3 in that time. They aren't accurate. That doesn't take a genius to figure out. It takes an observant person. But hey, keep the arrogant condescending attitude. It really helps your points. [Edited on 08.08.2012 1:19 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Knux NY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] T21095 Well, we'll definitely need to cut back on some things that make our lives so convenient to start changing. People have become too comfortable with their habits and way of life.[/quote] America is one of the most eco-friendly countries on the planet, we changed a lot in the past 10 years, so we did our part. China on the other hand... [/quote] I was speaking about humanity as a whole. Our job is to protect this planet and keep it clean, but we have done a pretty bad job at it. However, people have become smarter and more educated on the subject of pollution and various environmental concerns. Either way, it only makes sense to want to clean Earth and keep it that way. No one wants to breathe in polluted air or drink polluted water.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] T21095 Well, we'll definitely need to cut back on some things that make our lives so convenient to start changing. People have become too comfortable with their habits and way of life.[/quote] America is one of the most eco-friendly countries on the planet, we changed a lot in the past 10 years, so we did our part. China on the other hand...
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I won't deny global warming, its obviously a thing. Buuut... I CLEARLY remember a summer that was even hotter then this about 15 years ago so... And its summer time so... And its like, 60 degrees in oregon, so...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie I'm done. You guys can continue all you want. Look, when every scientist in this field says something is true, I would listen. I don't think I know better than everyone else anymore.[/quote] When those same scientists can't even get a prediction within 150% it's hard to think they know what they are talking about. Their original predictions were 300% off. That's like NASA trying to send Curiosity to Mars and it ending up in the Asteroid Belt. They might as well just be guessing with how accurate their climate models have proven to be.[/quote] Yup, you are smarter than NASA... I say we elect you as National Science Adviser.
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Well, we'll definitely need to cut back on some things that make our lives so convenient to start changing. People have become too comfortable with their habits and way of life.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie I'm done. You guys can continue all you want. Look, when every scientist in this field says something is true, I would listen. I don't think I know better than everyone else anymore.[/quote] When those same scientists can't even get a prediction within 150% it's hard to think they know what they are talking about. Their original predictions were 300% off. That's like NASA trying to send Curiosity to Mars and it ending up by Jupiter. They might as well just be guessing with how accurate their climate models have proven to be. [Edited on 08.08.2012 1:11 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kalashnikova [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Climate Change implies it can go either way. Global Warming says its changing in a distinct way.[/quote] Excuse Me If I Interject On This Statement But It Seems You Misplaced Your Definitions Am I Not Right If I Believe Global Warming Is To Describe A Climate Phenomenon That Is Ultimately Caused By Human Beings Rather Than Saying It Means "Things will only get hotter" Which Is What I Gather From Your Sentence And That Climate Change Can Mean The Temperatures Unusual Patterns Were Not Of Human Intervention And Of Natural Atmospheric Cycles Sorry To Interrupt But I Felt I Had To Correct You There[/quote] ...*sigh* OK, Global Warming = Everywhere on the Globe is getting warmer. Climate change = the climate is changing. Human intervention may or may not be in either one. One states that things are in flux, the other indicates a direction of change. Why is this hard? *facepalm* every one on the flood ate paint chips as children.[/quote] Okay I'll ditch the quirk just for now and just tell you that your OP was badly worded. See, the way you typed it, you implied that saying "climate change" meant that it could "go either way", but that's a very brash and vague statement, in short, not very concise. There are more than a couple viable interpretations that would still fit like a jigsaw into your context, but from another person's point of view, the meaning may not be as potent for them as it is to you. I merely stated that the difference between the definitions are mainly to due with the fact that one is caused by human intervention and the other isn't, which is the main argument between the two sides, and not whether it is getting colder or hotter; because even with global warming, there have been predictions of possibilities that a certain chain of events could even lead to a second ice age. I just wanted you to know the main difference between the two were NOT in which direction the temperature of the Earth went. I really need to extend this text sleeve. [Edited on 08.08.2012 1:09 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Potato Joe This made me laugh. NASA is looking to get on the Government's good side to get funding.[/quote]I just want you to know, that your post was the one. I have no more faith left in humanity. None. I had a grain left, a little glimmer really. The derp in your post killed it. Happy? [Edited on 08.08.2012 12:58 PM PDT]
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This made me laugh. NASA is looking to get on the Government's good side to get funding.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] night flare [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kalashnikova [/quote] Reading that was painful, don't use capital letters for every word.[/quote] [url=http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Typing_Quirk]Might You CTRL+F And Type In "Kanaya"[/url] Quotation Marks Withheld Of Course
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kalashnikova [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Climate Change implies it can go either way. Global Warming says its changing in a distinct way.[/quote] Excuse Me If I Interject On This Statement But It Seems You Misplaced Your Definitions Am I Not Right If I Believe Global Warming Is To Describe A Climate Phenomenon That Is Ultimately Caused By Human Beings Rather Than Saying It Means "Things will only get hotter" Which Is What I Gather From Your Sentence And That Climate Change Can Mean The Temperatures Unusual Patterns Were Not Of Human Intervention And Of Natural Atmospheric Cycles Sorry To Interrupt But I Felt I Had To Correct You There[/quote] ...*sigh* OK, Global Warming = Everywhere on the Globe is getting warmer. Climate change = the climate is changing. Human intervention may or may not be in either one. One states that things are in flux, the other indicates a direction of change. Why is this hard? *facepalm* every one on the flood ate paint chips as children.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kalashnikova [/quote] Reading that was painful, don't use capital letters for every word.
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Well, the real issue right now is Chik-fil-a and their intolerant sandwiches.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Climate Change implies it can go either way. Global Warming says its changing in a distinct way.[/quote] Excuse Me If I Interject On This Statement But It Seems You Misplaced Your Definitions Am I Not Right If I Believe Global Warming Is To Describe A Climate Phenomenon That Is Ultimately Caused By Human Beings Rather Than Saying It Means "Things will only get hotter" Which Is What I Gather From Your Sentence And That Climate Change Can Mean The Temperatures Unusual Patterns Were Not Of Human Intervention And Of Natural Atmospheric Cycles Sorry To Interrupt But I Felt I Had To Correct You There
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Old and still being argued over, and will be for a long time. [/quote]Don't call it debunked. That's a hilariously cocky statement to make.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Top_Gun_2021 Remember when scientists named were put on documents against their will? Do you also remember some of the scientists listed on one of them specialized is things other than earth science? Super sketchy. We are in a natural cycle. Our population and technology have no impact. However, that does not mean we can't do ore to help our environment, we just don't need to go overboard. [/quote]You do realize that the whole "conspiracy" email turned out to be a fake, right? It was a hoax. Literally every scientist that signed those documents admitted that they did so willingly. Next are you going to tell us the government has a machine that gives you headaches, and that's why you were tin foil on your head? And doing ANYTHING isn't going overboard. We, as a society, are doing nothing at the moment. Nothing. But what does it matter. We deserve to die. I see that now. We can't even admit there is a problem.
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If global warming is happening, I do not believe there is anything we can do to stop it. All we can do is prepare for it.
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Remember when scientists named were put on documents against their will? Do you also remember some of the scientists listed on one of them specialized is things other than earth science? Super sketchy. We are in a natural cycle. Our population and technology have no impact. However, that does not mean we can't do ore to help our environment, we just don't need to go overboard. [Edited on 08.08.2012 12:43 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] annoyinginge [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] da mob boss12 I still don't think there is enough data to confirm Global Warming. My head is not in the sand I'm just not convinced. [/quote] Then you're a ****ing idiot. No, that's not [i]ad hominem[/i], it's the logical conclusion I reached after reading your post.[/quote] I admit there is plenty of evidence that there is some correlation between greenhouse gas levels (particularly CO2) and temperature. However, there isn't any that shows that this correlation means CO2 leads temperature. Especially since there are often times in the past where as CO2 was rising, temperatures were falling. This indicates that either CO2 is not something that drives temperature, but rather that temperature drives CO2. Or that some other factor, that we may not yet even know, has a bigger influence on temperature than atmospheric CO2 concentration. I do admit, something is happening. I just don't think we know as much about it as everyone thinks we do.[/quote] I'm done. You guys can continue all you want. Look, when every scientist in this field says something is true, I would listen. I don't think I know better than everyone else anymore.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] annoyinginge [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] da mob boss12 I still don't think there is enough data to confirm Global Warming. My head is not in the sand I'm just not convinced. [/quote] Then you're a ****ing idiot. No, that's not [i]ad hominem[/i], it's the logical conclusion I reached after reading your post.[/quote] I admit there is plenty of evidence that there is some correlation between greenhouse gas levels (particularly CO2) and temperature. However, there isn't any that shows that this correlation means CO2 leads temperature. Especially since there are often times in the past where as CO2 was rising, temperatures were falling. This indicates that either CO2 is not something that drives temperature, but rather that temperature drives CO2. Or that some other factor, that we may not yet even know, has a bigger influence on temperature than atmospheric CO2 concentration. I do admit, something is happening. I just don't think we know as much about it as everyone thinks we do.
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[quote] Posted by: WyldFyre Heat waves? It is summer, right? It was hotter than this last year, and the year before. I don't know what the -blam!- they're talking about. [Edited on 08.08.2012 9:46 AM PDT] [/quote] Well, I mean... They have records. You don't. Unless you do? Which you don't. Probably.
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Well, I mean... They have records. You don't. Unless you do? Which you don't. Probably.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] da mob boss12 I still don't think there is enough data to confirm Global Warming. My head is not in the sand I'm just not convinced. [/quote] Then you're a ****ing idiot. No, that's not [i]ad hominem[/i], it's the logical conclusion I reached after reading your post. [Edited on 08.08.2012 12:30 PM PDT]
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So many straw-man fallacies in one thread...
