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7/28/2012 12:47:33 PM
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What Would Occur if a Super MAC Fired into the Planet?
Okay, we had the scene at the end of ONI: Sword Base, but that was likely a low-power shot.
If I recall correctly, a super MAC has a yield in the gigatons, though it may have been retconned. That's more than a hundred times the energy of the Tsar Bomba, which was already unimaginably powerful. I'm guessing it could potentially be more effective at glassing a planet than the covenant energy projectors, and possibly even causing earthquakes and tectonic disturbances(I am not a geologist).
[Edited on 07.28.2012 5:52 AM PDT]
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destruction of all life on the surface of the planet.
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chaos
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A huge explosion.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron Very, Very bad things. [/quote]Well, you're not wrong...
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Stupid answer to thread title... Very, Very bad things. Just felt like saying that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elder Bias And you have no idea how physics work.[/quote]*Is working on a degree in Physics* Ironic irony is ironic [quote]Few good examples would be like this: Toba eruption, Yellowstone eruption, Karakota eruption (estimated to be 200 megatons),[/quote]Because you were alive 70,000 years ago, 640,000 years ago, and in 1883. Wow, you must be immortal. [quote]etc that caused nuclear-like winters for short of time. So yes, it will affect the life on earth via altering ecosystem and biosphere.[/quote]Even the recent Mt. Pinatubo only lowered the average temperature of Earth by a degree Fahrenheit. A few degrees is a far cry from a nuclear winter, where the Sun must be blocked out nearly completely so that the majority of photosynthetic organisms are obliterated. Even the method is different. 200 Megatons may be enough to cool the planet significantly if it is dumping [i][u]sulfur dioxide[/i][/u] into the stratosphere! This reflects some of the suns rays. Soon it settles and the Earth returns to normal. An extinction-level event, where the Earth is covered by dust and ash for generations, requires a much larger force. [quote]Gigatons = half to entire state killers. That's how it works. [/quote]Sounds close. Depends on the state, geography, water, etc. But it wouldn't eliminate life on a planet.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xXIHAYD0IXx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LoopyA muffin 3 Any large explosion like this would send tons of ash and dust into the atmosphere blotting out the sun . That is what nuclear winter is.[/quote]I hate to break it to you, but that would require an explose more on the order of 96,000 gigatons (you know, the estimated force of the asteroid that impacted Earth resulting in mass extinction). EDIT- 51.6 gigatons != 51,600,000 megatons. Try 51,600 megatons.[/quote] And you have no idea how physics work. 51.6 gigatons of firepower is enough to cause massive nuclear winter-like by kicking up lot of smoke, dust and dirt caused by impact area, clouding the atmosphere which it will severely affect the ecosystem. Few good examples would be like this: Toba eruption, Yellowstone eruption, Karakota eruption (estimated to be 200 megatons), etc that caused nuclear-like winters for short of time. So yes, it will affect the life on earth via altering ecosystem and biosphere. Gigatons = half to entire state killers. That's how it works. [Edited on 07.30.2012 10:09 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream Look at the physics behind them. They would blow up the planet.[/quote] Nope, not even if they all fired at the same time. Not even close. In fact, 51.6 Gigatons of TNT=Around 2x10^20 Joules of energy per shot. 300 SMACs firing at once=6x10^22 Joules. Energy required to raise the temperature of water by 1C=10^24 Joules. So really, destroying a planet requires the planet to physically break apart beyond all gravitational control, resulting in significant thermal energy release. Really, if the energy was evenly distributed, it wouldn't even raise the average temperature of water by 1C. Hell, I believe the 65 million years ago Asteroid Impact is way more powerful than all the SMACs combined. It came at 96,000 Gigatons. 50x300 Gigatons is 1500 Gigatons. Nowhere near. [Edited on 07.30.2012 2:15 AM PDT]
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But i still believe it would cause mass magma release, aswell as some heavy earthquakes all over the world.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TilledMule9946 Naw, 20 basic tactical nukes is the estimated minimum for a nuclear winter. Not all in the same area though. Maybe if you wanted to cause a NW with just one explosion you would be right.[/quote]Everyone is so much more polite here than in the Flood. OT: It depends whether or not you detonated the nuclear bombs in the atmosphere or not. On the ground, our entire nuclear arsenal could not cover all land with radiation, let alone actual blast radius. The Tzar Bomba has a fallout estimated at 1,000 km^2, and that is the biggest nuke ever made by humans. In the atmosphere, however, I believe it would be possible to irradiate all human life, but that would not be the same as blotting out the sun with ash and dust. Because a Super MAC uses strictly kinetic energy, not electromagnetic radiation, and because it would be striking in only one area, the blast yield would need to be significantly higher to cause mass extinction. EDIT- And it certainly would not "blow up the planet." [Edited on 07.29.2012 5:38 PM PDT]
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Look at the physics behind them. They would blow up the planet.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] chilla9697 Chuck Norris[/quote] This is correct. The gnomes who live in the earth summon him to their aid. Yoda even casually advises use of the force.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xXIHAYD0IXx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LoopyA muffin 3 Any large explosion like this would send tons of ash and dust into the atmosphere blotting out the sun . That is what nuclear winter is.[/quote]I hate to break it to you, but that would require an explose more on the order of 96,000 gigatons (you know, the estimated force of the asteroid that impacted Earth resulting in mass extinction). EDIT- 51.6 gigatons != 51,600,000 megatons. Try 51,600 megatons.[/quote] Naw, 20 basic tactical nukes is the estimated minimum for a nuclear winter. Not all in the same area though. Maybe if you wanted to cause a NW with just one explosion you would be right.
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Chuck Norris
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Probably planet-cracker Death Star status, especially if they all fired at once.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LoopyA muffin 3 Any large explosion like this would send tons of ash and dust into the atmosphere blotting out the sun . That is what nuclear winter is.[/quote]I hate to break it to you, but that would require an explose more on the order of 96,000 gigatons (you know, the estimated force of the asteroid that impacted Earth resulting in mass extinction). EDIT- 51.6 gigatons != 51,600,000 megatons. Try 51,600 megatons. [Edited on 07.29.2012 10:48 AM PDT]
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Boooooooom!!!!!!
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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHZrp20Aco4&feature=player_detailpage#t=18s]This.[/url] [Edited on 07.28.2012 11:12 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quantam [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron And, If I may point out, we don't know the round at end of Sword Base is a Super MAC round. It could be a frigate firing.[/quote] More likely, it could be an intentionally weaker shot. [/quote] Perhaps. But people tend to view "Orbital defenses" as meaning ONLY super MAC stations. Where Orbital defenses could mean many things.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron And, If I may point out, we don't know the round at end of Sword Base is a Super MAC round. It could be a frigate firing.[/quote] More likely, it could be an intentionally weaker shot.
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And, If I may point out, we don't know the round at end of Sword Base is a Super MAC round. It could be a frigate firing.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FTW 1997 The nova bomb hasnt destroyed a planet, only a fleet and a moon as i remember ?[/quote] And...? It destroyed planet's ecosystem and atmospheric/biosphere via scorching half of the planet and sending massive natural disasters such as massive tsunamis, etc and large doses of radiations killed all life on the planet. That is 1.2 petatons for NOVA bomb. And yes, SMAC can cause nuclear-like winter because it has enough destructive power to potentially devastate entire ecosystem which it affects all life. 51.6 gigatons is 51,600,000 megatons. Let me show you difference: Kiloton = town killers Megaton = city killers Gigatons = multiple state killers Teratons = entire continent killers Petatons = half planet killers above of that, entire planet killer. [Edited on 07.28.2012 3:05 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LoopyA muffin 3 Any large explosion like this would send tons of ash and dust into the atmosphere blotting out the sun . That is what nuclear winter is.[/quote] Sorry forgot.
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Any large explosion like this would send tons of ash and dust into the atmosphere blotting out the sun . That is what nuclear winter is.
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There cant be nuclear winter... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LoopyA muffin 3 It would probably sterilise the planet in the blast and the the resulting nuclear winter and may cause tectonic disturbances resulting in volcanic eruptions and possibly tsunamis if the oceans had Not mostly evaporated by that time. E.g. No good :( [/quote]
