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6/14/2012 6:57:41 AM
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Generational Gaps and How They Affect a Community

I've already tried 4 times to start off this thread in a witty way, and I've backspaced all of them. It's just not gonna happen. [u]And, as per usual with BNet threads, you will be absolved of your lack of desire to fully take in all that I'm about to present to you... with a TL;DR at the end.[/u] So we here at BNet must, at this point, especially in the community forum more so than anywhere else, address the fact that there are clearly defined generational divides between members of the community. Whether this results into a community member becoming the punchline to an infinite amount of jokes of one generation, or some members of the younger generation resenting ones of an older one because of their snarky manner and air on the forums, or it doesn't manifest itself directly in the mains at all and is just present as a number on our profile page that some people may use to subconsciously classify and categorize us, it's still there. These generational gaps are something that are, obviously, not just present in this community, but present in all communities. From the old stereotype of the elderly shouting at "yoots" to get off their freshly mown grass, to the dubstep-loving, Buddy Holly glasses wearing, loose beanie adoring, hipster twenty-somethings we hear complained about so much today, generational gaps have always and will always be there and different generations will always look down upon all the others. The teenagers will always think that the twenty-somethings have their -blam!- together and know how life is supposed to be. The twenty-somethings will always have dreams of "When [b][u]we're[/u][/b] in charge, things are going to be different(, man)!". The adults will always see the twenty-somethings as the generation that has everything handed to them on a silver platter and who have yet to experience the harsh, cold, unforgiving real world for what it really is. And the elderly will always look down on the young(er) adults in the way they're letting these twenty-somethings get away with all the mayhem that they're causing. Such is true in society, as well as on Bungie.net, thought not necessarily with the same feelings between the 4, well, really, 5 generations. [quote][/quote] On Bungie.net, there will always be the youngsters. There will always be those new people joining, perhaps having their first experience on an internet forum (this was mine). They will always need guidance from the more experienced users, and they won't always get it. They will always view things in a different light than those even a simple year ahead of them in the "account creation" category, and they will always be criticized by the older members for either their ignorance, or their ways of viewing how the forums should and will (in the future) work. [quote][/quote] There will also, in a perpetual state more certain than infinity, be the regulars. The people who've been here a year, maybe two, and are still posting at least somewhat frequently and, in their opinion, have got this "foruming" thing down-pat. This area of growth, however, does still seem to be fair game for the seasoned veterans to make fun of and ridicule (again either for their views on how the site should be run or what features should be added). Within this category (bans notwithstanding, the heroics), people begin to (if I may romanticize the process of posting fairly unsophisticated and sometimes witty remarks on an internet forum) make their own identity on Bungie.net. They can begin to get recognized (if they haven't been already for their posting habits as a newbie) and they'll have seen repeat threads enough to be able to get their opinion out there and have (at least a few people) become familiar with it and be able to form their own opinion of you based on those views you have. [quote][/quote] Then come the the beginnings of the old garb. The legendaries. The one to three year regulars of Bungie.net who've managed to not get bored of its inevitable repetitiveness as well as (most likely) bury themselves enough in private groups to not have grown immensely bored of the thing (especially in "dark times" such as those we're currently experiencing). This is usually the first generation (as I see it, anyhow) who can manage to have any sort of informal relationship (I.E. being addressed by name as opposed to "OP") with Mythics, employees, ninjas, etc. If they haven't established themselves enough in the community at this point to be viewed as legitimate non-waste of the memory necessary for the system to remember their existence by the veterans, then their title bar has done it for them. And, just as it is uncommon to see a high school junior making fun of freshman more so than sophomores do, the legendaries seem to (in my mind) ease up a bit on the name-calling and direct-calling-out-without-caring-about-whether-or-not-they're-banned that most of them seem to inevitably slip back into around year 4-6. [quote][/quote] Finally, the group that, let's be honest, should be two due to the huge difference between people like Halo53 and someone who made their account on June 14th, 2009 and is just now getting that blue bar, the Mythics. This is the generation where you can become semi-famous (a made up adjective of the highest prestige 'round these parts), or at the very least become a name that someone can look at and recall having existed before "just now". This is the generation Ninjas are pulled from. This is the generation people want to be. This is the generation so cool that they made a group about how cool they were and then had other generations make an inferior group so that they too could pretend to be cool whilst waiting on the roster in Scranton-Wilkes Barre to be called up to NYC. This is also, regrettably, a generation that gets a reputation both simultaneously undeserved to the last complaint thread, and at the same time fully deserved from all those unmistakably present threads in MM about "User X". The word "elitism" is thrown around a lot. Some might argue more than it should. I would agree with "some". I don't think the Mythics get a good rap considering most of them are just snarky and sarcastic because they're looking for a new way to respond to how they feel about a notification system or custom avis, having already done so fifty times previously. But that's just me. [quote][/quote] As promised, there's a TL;DR combined with a question to keep the conversation going: [b]TL;DR: What do you think about the different "generations" here on BNet and how they interact with each other?[/b] [Edited on 06.14.2012 8:20 AM PDT]

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  • [quote]So we here at BNet must, at this point, especially in the community forum more so than anywhere else, that there are clearly defined generational divides between members of the community. [/quote] Is there a word missing here?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Skibur I stopped reading at 'yoots'. What on earth is a yoot!?[/quote]It's a reference to "My Cousin Vinny". I will remove it if the great Skibur is so enraged by its use.

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  • I used to be be under 20 on these forums... Now I am not. Sadly I have not changed that much.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spawn031 However, judging all of this from bungie.net in it's current state would be inaccurate. When was the last time Bungie was flat out dark?[/quote]This is a valid point. When there is a game out (presently), everybody can discuss it. The way games are now, they're not Pacman or Super Mario Bros. They're not two-dimensional games with a limited number of ways in which to play them. When a new game is out, there's constantly new developments coming out of it. New ways to do old things, and old spins on new things. Now on BNet, the conversation (in the community forum, anyway) has amounted to philosophical discussions that amount to discussing ideals that people have established either in adolescence or so long ago that to attempt to convert them to a different manner of thinking via an impersonal conversation such as the one had over text on an internet forum is mad. These are conversations that boil down to "What makes a social network a social network?" (in the "Should we add Notifications?" threads). "How much thought should be put into an idea before you share it with others?" while not necessarily a direct topic of discussion (though I'm going to lock that one away for a thread at a later date), comes up a lot and dates back to that kid in elementary school who felt the need to let everyone know on a constant and consistent basis that he did, in fact, know how to add and subtract exponentially better than the rest of you and called out answers at every opportunity. These deep discussions (or, at least, deep-ish) are the kinds of things that can foster a lot of intelligent debate if everyone plays along. But, it's a lot easier to have discussions about more superficial things like the importance of a kill/death ratio or one weapon in a video game versus another. Those things can go out and be immediately tested on the rare occasion that "Oh yeah?! Well then 1v1 me, bro!" becomes an actual suggestion and not an empty threat. Those kinds of conversations can be had on their most basic levels and people's opinions on them can constantly change based on their constant adjustment of how they play the game. One day you love the BR because you're playing a lot of Swat, the next day you favor snipers because you just won ten in a row in the playlist of the same name. My point is that superficial conversations are much easier to have, especially when they're based on a constantly changing game (like the Halo games were), while these philosophical debates (a bit like the one in this thread) can become more stagnant after a while if one does nothing to attempt to add a bit of flavor to and alter a bit the conversation itself (something I think I've done quite nicely here; you may disagree).

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adamcunn [quote]So we here at BNet must, at this point, especially in the community forum more so than anywhere else, [b][u]address the fact[/u][/b] that there are clearly defined generational divides between members of the community. [/quote] Is there a word missing here?[/quote]There were three. Thank you for that.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nerd Boi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 This is also, regrettably, a generation that gets a reputation both simultaneously undeserved to the last complaint thread, and at the same time fully deserved from all those unmistakably present threads in MM about "User X". [/quote]For what its worth, there are exactly two threads with a member named in the title on the front page of mythix right now, and both are related to ingroup happenings rather than laughing at how stupid User X is. See we hide that inside the threads to make it slightly harder to screencap and leak.[/quote]And that's fine. I just had to think of the most notorious happening of Mythix making fun of other members and whatnot. It just happened to be an easy target for exemplification.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nerd Boi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 This is also, regrettably, a generation that gets a reputation both simultaneously undeserved to the last complaint thread, and at the same time fully deserved from all those unmistakably present threads in MM about "User X". [/quote]For what its worth, there are exactly two threads with a member named in the title on the front page of mythix right now, and both are related to ingroup happenings rather than laughing at how stupid User X is. See we hide that inside the threads to make it slightly harder to screencap and leak.[/quote]And that's fine. I just had to think of the most notorious happening of Mythix making fun of other members and whatnot. It just happened to be an easy target for exemplification.[/quote] You do realize most "popular" groups do the same exact thing all the time? I wish I wasn't on my phone so I could post a legitimate response to this thread.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] drummer0702 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nerd Boi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 This is also, regrettably, a generation that gets a reputation both simultaneously undeserved to the last complaint thread, and at the same time fully deserved from all those unmistakably present threads in MM about "User X". [/quote]For what its worth, there are exactly two threads with a member named in the title on the front page of mythix right now, and both are related to ingroup happenings rather than laughing at how stupid User X is. See we hide that inside the threads to make it slightly harder to screencap and leak.[/quote]And that's fine. I just had to think of the most notorious happening of Mythix making fun of other members and whatnot. It just happened to be an easy target for exemplification.[/quote] You do realize most "popular" groups do the same exact thing all the time? I wish I wasn't on my phone so I could post a legitimate response to this thread.[/quote]Oh I know*. It's just those groups aren't associated with a specific generation. It was just an easy target. I know it isn't as bad or occurs as often as it's implied in the OP. *it's part of the reason I've never had much interest in groups

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  • Generational divide or bust. Of course there is going to be differentiation in members depending on join date. Everybody here is their own person and have come along at one point in time. Whether they joined in '02 or '12 it makes no difference to me. There are a lot of members that joined before me and there have been a lot that have joined after me. It is the quality that matters, and we see quality in every "generation" of members. Looking forward to the new people who will join because of Destiny will be a whole new hill to climb and I am looking forward to it. As for now, we are basically all of the pre-Destiny generation in my eyes.

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  • I feel we should do what Bungie does each year and have a gaming tournament. We might even be able to get the bungie teams to lead the charge for each generation. grizzled elders, etc.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Blam417 I feel we should do what Bungie does each year and have a gaming tournament. We might even be able to get the bungie teams to lead the charge for each generation. grizzled elders, etc.[/quote]While possibly causing animosity, I feel like (as long as it was done the right way) that could also manifest a better feeling of togetherness as a community when we're in a period of time where all the Septagon can do at the moment is talk either about things relating to those divides, employees, ninjas, or how much we LOVE Bungie. TooWeirdlyPhrased;DidNotGet: Yes. [Edited on 06.14.2012 10:36 AM PDT]

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  • There really isn't going to be any "togetherness" until there's something to be together for. Once we get a new game, new opinion lines will be drawn. Until then, the only thing we have is politics and member titles, and we aren't allowed to talk about politics.

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  • I came in at a young age and waiting a couple of years before I started posts, scarce at that.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HEAD_SHOT I came in at a young age and waiting a couple of years before I started posts, scarce at that. [/quote]I'm not entirely sure what that has to do with the differences between the generations on BNet.

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  • I hate old people I'm never gonna be one I hate old people

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  • I think there will always be generational gaps. It just depends what you take from it. The younger will learn from the older and the older will learn from younger.

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  • Older folks=wisdom. Younger folks=people who crave knowledge.

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  • Lawn. Mine. You. Off.

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  • I don't give it much thought. It's just a forum.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 Lawn. Mine. You. Off.[/quote] Most constructive response in this entire thread. Way to go, Beardyman. Personally, I feel like I've fallen out of touch with the mains. I've found that private groups can be very... Attractive. They're so much more personal, even in some of the larger ones. I feel like in Minecrafters, I can post and be recognized by a few people. In other private groups, I've actually made friends. However, on the mains I've come to find that it's harder to be recognized unless you're a Legendary/Blue Bar. I mean, yes, it's petty to think "They're internet famous, why aren't I?" but that comes with the gaps. Typically, on the mains, it's like this: Member(Exceptions: Skibur)-Lol, good luck. Heroic- Sounds familiar. Get out. Legendary- Ohai. I remember you. Mythic-Oh, look it's UserX again! Ninjas/Mythix(In all reality, they are different)-OH MY GOD! MURPHY IT'S YOU!* These gaps aren't pretty to newcomers. I've been here for a few years(Though my bar doesn't show much for it) and I personally don't like any main forum short of the Community, and even then there's elitisim that gets shuffled in every so often that can get annoying. But, as you said, this isn't unique to Bungie. I realized that on other sites that I helped carry through transitions, I saw hundreds of new members while I helped run the site. And I admit I did sort of look down on them. They weren't there for the Phoenix. They missed the Party '06. They missed the events that defined the group, as I knew it, and I was still there as it evolved, while they were just walking and the door and never saw it as it was. I never saw Bungie in it's so called "golden age." I don't understand why Mythix look down on '09s. I don't understand why it's '04 or Bust. But I have to accept it, right? It's how the gaps work, in every community. *Cookie for reference, mates. Post Script: It's late, I haven't re-read this. I'm sorry if it comes off as stupid and unintelligent. I just sort of began typing and never stopped. If this rant of stupidity makes you think less of me, sorry. If it makes you think more of me sweet. That's not the goal in the long run. I just hope someone can get something out of this.

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  • The oldies are definitely more well known (I don't know if respected is the right word) by the community. Some newbies get in their too if they are really active. Take me for example, I'm coming up to my 4th year here at B.net and I'm positive most of the people here hardly know me to do my spurts of inactivity. Basically, yes I see a bunch of the older guys taking part in community carnage's with some newbies in there too. The gap isn't that large, probably only affecting things like private groups (Mythic members and legendary member groups).

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sundalius[/quote]Nicely written. I agree with all your points.

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  • Why does everyone feel the need to separate the community?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HOOBLA 911 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sundalius[/quote]Nicely written. I agree with all your points.[/quote] So it wasn't an incoherent piece of crap? Thank god. I don't feel like too much of an idiot now.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sundalius [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HOOBLA 911 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sundalius[/quote]Nicely written. I agree with all your points.[/quote] So it wasn't an incoherent piece of crap? Thank god. I don't feel like too much of an idiot now.[/quote]:)

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  • One of things I hate most is younger members pretending to have been at places or in situations that clearly predated them.

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