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6/12/2012 4:26:37 AM
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Man finds someone molesting his daughter, and kills him...
[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/11/father-kills-man-who--blam!-ly-abused-daughter-texas_n_1587724.html?ref=crime&icid=maing-grid7%7Chp-laptop%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D168967]Should he be charged with anything?[/url]
[quote]Sheriff's deputies in Texas won't file charges against a father who they say beat an acquaintance to death after allegedly catching him -blam!-ly abusing the man's 4-year-old daughter.
During a social gathering on Saturday, the girl went inside the family's home in Shiner while other members of the family were tending to horses outside, CNN reported.
The father caught a 47-year-old man -- with whom he was casually acquainted -- attempting to molest his daughter, Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon told the Victoria Advocate. The father then allegedly punched the man in the head until he died, Harmon reported.
The sheriff's office will defer to a grand jury to decide whether charges will be brought against the father.[/quote]
So, should charges be brought against the father? It is clear that he used more force than absolutely necessary here. But, it has been argued in courts before that in certain circumstances, excessive force can be justified.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alpha Prime [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] funkbrotha10 Even if it goes to trial NO jury will convict him. he will most likely get something like 3 months of probation. Also you cannot prove intent.[/quote]They won't convict him of murder but they would convict him of manslaughter.[/quote] Which they should do. After all, how would this world be if people can get away with killing accidentally, in a non-self defense way, people who have wronged or wronged someone they cared about(the father went beyond enacting self-defense, his original act was in the name of defending his daughter, but he took it a step further by killing the man)?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Not Batman No, he shouldn't be charged with anything.[/quote] Heard about this in class today and we all discussed it. I'd do the same damn thing if it were my daughter.
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Nope, nothing at all. He did the right thing.
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They can charge him if they want, but I have a feeling a jury would be on his side.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alpha Prime [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 For all of you who think he should be charged, consider this: What do you think should happen if the man found the pedo molesting his daughter and did nothing?[/quote]Dispense with the strawman please. Arguing that he should be charged for a crime is not the same as saying that he should have done absolutely nothing. There was more than enough adequate provocation for him to act and attack the guy but the problem is that he ended up killing him. You can't kill a person without running afoul of the law.[/quote]It isn't a strawman. I'm demonstrating that this is a lose-lose situation for the man and that he was sent to jail the moment his daughter was molested. If he acts, he has the risk of injuring or killing the attacker, and, as mike explained, it's very easy to kill someone with a punch in the right circumstances. If he did noting, he would be criminally negligent (and also a piss poor father).
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] funkbrotha10 Even if it goes to trial NO jury will convict him. he will most likely get something like 3 months of probation. Also you cannot prove intent.[/quote]They won't convict him of murder but they would convict him of manslaughter.
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He shouldn't be charged with murder. Reckless manslaughter... but I mean he was protecting his daughter. The jury will let him off easy most likely. [Edited on 06.12.2012 4:29 PM PDT]
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Even if it goes to trial NO jury will convict him. he will most likely get something like 3 months of probation. Also you cannot prove intent. [Edited on 06.12.2012 4:24 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] haloplayer2kill [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mark V guy How do we know he even meant to kill him? I seriously doubt the thought that went through his head at the time was 'Im going to kill this guy.' He was probably so shocked and so angry, all he could focus in was battering the guy who was molesting his daughter. Anyone here would react the same way out of instinct.[/quote] Even if he didn't mean to kill him....and it was an accident....that just means he should be tried for manslaughter, doesn't mean he should get off scott free. Now when he was punching the man, and he had intent to kill, and the man died, then it would be murderer.[/quote] Yeah
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alpha Prime It seems like a lot of people here haven't heard about manslaughter before. The man should clearly be tried for manslaughter. From the Texas Penal code: § 19.04. MANSLAUGHTER. (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly causes the death of an individual. Which is what has happened in this case. He didn't need to kill the guy. There is certainly adequate provocation in this case for him to attack the guy and I don't think he meant to outright kill him but that's what he did. The killing of another human being in civil society is almost always a crime.[/quote] Agreed, this is what he should be tried. Sure the death of the man was probably an accident....but he still did it. The just thing that should be done is try this man for manslaughter, so i don't understand why some people think he should get off scott free.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mark V guy How do we know he even meant to kill him? I seriously doubt the thought that went through his head at the time was 'Im going to kill this guy.' He was probably so shocked and so angry, all he could focus in was battering the guy who was molesting his daughter. Anyone here would react the same way out of instinct.[/quote] Even if he didn't mean to kill him....and it was an accident....that just means he should be tried for manslaughter, doesn't mean he should get off scott free. Now when he was punching the man, and he had intent to kill, and the man died, then it would be murderer.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 For all of you who think he should be charged, consider this: What do you think should happen if the man found the pedo molesting his daughter and did nothing?[/quote]Dispense with the strawman please. Arguing that he should be charged for a crime is not the same as saying that he should have done absolutely nothing. There was more than enough adequate provocation for him to act and attack the guy but the problem is that he ended up killing him. You can't kill a person without running afoul of the law. [Edited on 06.12.2012 4:21 PM PDT]
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How do we know he even meant to kill him? I seriously doubt the thought that went through his head at the time was 'Im going to kill this guy.' He was probably so shocked and so angry, all he could focus in was battering the guy who was molesting his daughter. Anyone here would react the same way out of instinct.
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It seems like a lot of people here haven't heard about manslaughter before. The man should clearly be tried for manslaughter. From the Texas Penal code: § 19.04. MANSLAUGHTER. (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly causes the death of an individual. Which is what has happened in this case. He didn't need to kill the guy. There is certainly adequate provocation in this case for him to attack the guy and I don't think he meant to outright kill him but that's what he did. The killing of another human being in civil society is almost always a crime. [Edited on 06.12.2012 4:17 PM PDT]
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For all of you who think he should be charged, consider this: What do you think should happen if the man found the pedo molesting his daughter and did nothing?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Smoke Yes, excessive force. Killing him was unnecessary.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plastic Milk It's not exactly easy and quick to punch another grown man to death.[/quote] Oh, it can be. Depending on where he was hit, how hard, any medical conditions, etc. it could take only 1 or 2 hits.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gruntzilla24 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SecondClass [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hemanstrikesagan That's a tough one. He should have kicked the guys ass. Not killed him.[/quote][/quote][/quote] You say that as if it were on purpose. He didn't mean to.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kkrotz If someone was doing anything to my (theoretical) daughter, I'd kill him. But first I'd -blam!- him, then torture him for about a week. Then make sure I cut an artery that makes him bleed to death[/quote] No you wouldn't. You sound like a 12 year old.
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It's not exactly easy and quick to punch another grown man to death.
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Yep, put his ass in prison.
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If someone was doing anything to my (theoretical) daughter, I'd kill him. But first I'd -blam!- him, then torture him for about a week. Then make sure I cut an artery that makes him bleed to death
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WhiteDragon361 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Blind Wolf To say this man shouldn't be charged because of what the man ALLEGEDLY did to his daughter doesn't give him a free ticket to KILL SOMEONE.[/quote] I think you misread the article. [quote]Sheriff's deputies in Texas won't file charges against a father who they say beat an acquaintance to death after allegedly catching him -blam!-ly abusing the man's 4-year-old daughter.[/quote] He didn't kill the guy because someone told him the guy molested his daughter. He walked in on the act being commited.[/quote] You make it sound like that justifies the man KILLING him. It doesn't.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SecondClass [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hemanstrikesagan That's a tough one. He should have kicked the guys ass. Not killed him.[/quote][/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChasePin I was -blam!-ly abused as a child[/quote] Your bias is obvious.
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I think his acts are completely justifiable. You can't say "Yes, murder is murder." You can't compare a man wanting to do anything he can to protect what's close to him, and a man killing for whatever the victim has in their wallet. Child molesters and the such are treated so well on this earth. I was -blam!-ly abused as a child, only to see the man still free and happy. That stuff doesn't leave you, it causes so much emotional trauma, yet the abuser usually gets a slap on the wrist and is caught for, yet again, -blam!-ly abusing someone else 5 years later. What did the molester expect to happen if he were caught? He would expect to be treated as most -blam!-s and child molesters are. I think most of the people here would be caught in a fit of rage and beat the ever living hell outta the guy as well. When you are put into a situation like that, you're brain either goes into Fight or Flight Mode. He saw it was his daughter, so he fought to the death. Yeah, he could have handled the situation without killing the man, but justice would never be served. It never is. I fully respect the father's intensity of love for his daughter, and the lengths he will go to protect her. Wow...some of the silliest words are censored on B.net... [Edited on 06.12.2012 1:12 PM PDT]
