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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mitochondrion Yes, I could, but I'm not going to...[/quote] Please do. It's central to science, after all. You can use Wikipedia if you like, it doesn't matter. [quote]What's empirical evidence? And if that can be in [b]replacement[/b] of observation, then even [b]YOU[/b] said you don't need observation! So haha, You agree with me![/quote] Empirical evidence is just evidence obtained through observation, silly. [quote]Because you can calculate that, based off the electromagnetic radiation we are receiving, that there must be more to the universe because there is still electromagnetic radiation traveling from there as it would otherwise mean that we have been here forever, but we haven't, hence the reason why electromagnetic radiation is [i]still[/i] traveling to us, therefore there must be more universe outside our observability. [/quote] So you can tell that the universe is greater than what's observed because of an observation of electromagnetic radiation?[/quote] [quote]Please do. It's central to science, after all. You can use Wikipedia if you like, it doesn't matter.[/quote] No, I'm not going to. [quote][quote]What's empirical evidence? And if that can be in replacement of observation, then even YOU said you don't need observation! So haha, You agree with me![/quote] Empirical evidence is just evidence obtained through observation, silly.[/quote] You said that as well as observation, implying the two aren't related. I thought that it was stupid, but I did not know. [quote][quote]Because you can calculate that, based off the electromagnetic radiation we are receiving, that there must be more to the universe because there is still electromagnetic radiation traveling from there as it would otherwise mean that we have been here forever, but we haven't, hence the reason why electromagnetic radiation is still traveling to us, therefore there must be more universe outside our observability. [/quote] So you can tell that the universe is greater than what's observed because of an observation of electromagnetic radiation? [/quote] Because they calculated that from the point of us not having been around forever that there must be some electromagnetic radiation that hasn't gotten to us and therefore there must be some that's still traveling here, so there is, therefore, unobservable universe out there, that we can't see. That was done by calculation, not observation! Clearly you are an idiot. By your lack of a response, I assume you have no smart retort, because you know that I'm right. I got you there, haven't I? Hence, I conclude that the inobservable is possible to be proven to be true by mathematical calculation, and therefore you [b]CAN[/b] prove something exists without observations! Yeah!!! [Edited on 05.22.2012 8:08 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PunxsatownyPhil [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PunxsatownyPhil How about I come to your house and start punching you. Are all your nerves lies?[/quote] If we're going by the OP here, since you'd be at my house punching me, I'd be observing you.[/quote] We're going by your current statement that only you exist.[/quote] In that case, it may indeed all be a lie to my nerves - ala the Matrix.[/quote] You can't keep adding variables until nobody can prove you wrong. You're like that little -blam!- I'd play Cowboys and Indians with who claim to be in a forcefield that protects him from bullets, and lasers, and fire, and acid, and lava. You're now rejecting that you can observe ANYTHING at all.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dodge Reborn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dodge Reborn Can you even prove something you are looking at exists? Your senses aren't 100% trustworthy so neither should any information gathered through them. [/quote] In a philosophical sense, most philosophers postulate the only thing you can be sure of is your own consciousness - because in some sense or form, that has to exist as you have the capability of thought.[/quote] If you follow that through to its conclusion surely you could say not even your consciousness exists as if are to look at it from both angles. Existence and non-existence. If it didn't exist then maybe the idea that we even have thoughts is an illusion. Ergo our entire consciousness would be an illusion, and not quantifiable as real. We cannot even be sure of our own reality, so how would we be sure of other thing's realities. [/quote] If your consciousness doesn't exist, how do you have thoughts at this moment?[/quote] How do I know I am having thoughts?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dodge Reborn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dodge Reborn Can you even prove something you are looking at exists? Your senses aren't 100% trustworthy so neither should any information gathered through them. [/quote] In a philosophical sense, most philosophers postulate the only thing you can be sure of is your own consciousness - because in some sense or form, that has to exist as you have the capability of thought.[/quote] If you follow that through to its conclusion surely you could say not even your consciousness exists as if are to look at it from both angles. Existence and non-existence. If it didn't exist then maybe the idea that we even have thoughts is an illusion. Ergo our entire consciousness would be an illusion, and not quantifiable as real. We cannot even be sure of our own reality, so how would we be sure of other thing's realities. [/quote] If your consciousness doesn't exist, how do you have thoughts at this moment?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dodge Reborn Can you even prove something you are looking at exists? Your senses aren't 100% trustworthy so neither should any information gathered through them. [/quote] In a philosophical sense, most philosophers postulate the only thing you can be sure of is your own consciousness - because in some sense or form, that has to exist as you have the capability of thought.[/quote] If you follow that through to its conclusion surely you could say not even your consciousness exists as if are to look at it from both angles. Existence and non-existence. If it didn't exist then maybe the idea that we even have thoughts is an illusion. Ergo our entire consciousness would be an illusion, and not quantifiable as real. We cannot even be sure of our own reality, so how would we be sure of other thing's realities.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PunxsatownyPhil [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PunxsatownyPhil How about I come to your house and start punching you. Are all your nerves lies?[/quote] If we're going by the OP here, since you'd be at my house punching me, I'd be observing you.[/quote] We're going by your current statement that only you exist.[/quote] In that case, it may indeed all be a lie to my nerves - ala the Matrix.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PunxsatownyPhil How about I come to your house and start punching you. Are all your nerves lies?[/quote] If we're going by the OP here, since you'd be at my house punching me, I'd be observing you.[/quote] We're going by your current statement that only you exist.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PunxsatownyPhil How about I come to your house and start punching you. Are all your nerves lies?[/quote] If we're going by the OP here, since you'd be at my house punching me, I'd be observing you.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PunxsatownyPhil [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PunxsatownyPhil You are not observing me, yet I am posting. QED you're wrong.[/quote] You could be an alien. A figment of my imagination. A few lines of code in a computer program. I don't know you exist.[/quote] Something is posting this, and you are not observing it, yet it exists.[/quote] Like I said, you could be a figment of my imagination. I only know you exist because my brain is interpreting signals based off what my eyes see. What if my eyes are lies?[/quote] How about I come to your house and start punching you. Are all your nerves lies?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dodge Reborn Can you even prove something you are looking at exists? Your senses aren't 100% trustworthy so neither should any information gathered through them. [/quote] In a philosophical sense, most philosophers postulate the only thing you can be sure of is your own consciousness - because in some sense or form, that has to exist as you have the capability of thought.

Can you even prove something you are looking at exists? Your senses aren't 100% trustworthy so neither should any information gathered through them.

STOP HURTING MY BRAIN!!!!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PunxsatownyPhil [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PunxsatownyPhil You are not observing me, yet I am posting. QED you're wrong.[/quote] You could be an alien. A figment of my imagination. A few lines of code in a computer program. I don't know you exist.[/quote] Something is posting this, and you are not observing it, yet it exists.[/quote] Like I said, you could be a figment of my imagination. I only know you exist because my brain is interpreting signals based off what my eyes see. What if my eyes are lies?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PunxsatownyPhil You are not observing me, yet I am posting. QED you're wrong.[/quote] You could be an alien. A figment of my imagination. A few lines of code in a computer program. I don't know you exist.[/quote] Something is posting this, and you are not observing it, yet it exists.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PunxsatownyPhil You are not observing me, yet I am posting. QED you're wrong.[/quote] You could be an alien. A figment of my imagination. A few lines of code in a computer program. I don't know you exist.

You are not observing me, yet I am posting. QED you're wrong.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Baph117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 How do you prove something exists without observation?[/quote]I wasn't being serious.[/quote] Aw, you would have been nice to have an argument with on the topic. I suppose I got most of it out with zax, anyway.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 How do you prove something exists without observation?[/quote]I wasn't being serious.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mitochondrion [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mitochondrion I know that, but these theories come from calculations, not speculations, therefore the calculations make observations unnecessary as they have made this theory solely with calculations and therefore observation isn't important.[/quote] There isn't a scientist in the world that would agree with what you just said.[/quote] 100% prove that statement, then, Mr. Smart Guy. ...[/quote] Well, you see, since I can't observe every scientist in the world and ask them, I performed all these calculations and equations as proof. No observation needed.[/quote] Let me see that proof :)

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mitochondrion Yes, I could, but I'm not going to...[/quote] Please do. It's central to science, after all. You can use Wikipedia if you like, it doesn't matter. [quote]What's empirical evidence? And if that can be in [b]replacement[/b] of observation, then even [b]YOU[/b] said you don't need observation! So haha, You agree with me![/quote] Empirical evidence is just evidence obtained through observation, silly. [quote]Because you can calculate that, based off the electromagnetic radiation we are receiving, that there must be more to the universe because there is still electromagnetic radiation traveling from there as it would otherwise mean that we have been here forever, but we haven't, hence the reason why electromagnetic radiation is [i]still[/i] traveling to us, therefore there must be more universe outside our observability. [/quote] So you can tell that the universe is greater than what's observed because of an observation of electromagnetic radiation?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mitochondrion [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mitochondrion I know that, but these theories come from calculations, not speculations, therefore the calculations make observations unnecessary as they have made this theory solely with calculations and therefore observation isn't important.[/quote] There isn't a scientist in the world that would agree with what you just said.[/quote] 100% prove that statement, then, Mr. Smart Guy. ...[/quote] Well, you see, since I can't observe every scientist in the world and ask them, I performed all these calculations and equations as proof. No observation needed.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Good Troll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mitochondrion I know that, but these theories come from calculations, not speculations, therefore the calculations make observations unnecessary as they have made this theory solely with calculations and therefore observation isn't important.[/quote] There isn't a scientist in the world that would agree with what you just said.[/quote] 100% prove that statement, then, Mr. Smart Guy. ...

[quote][quote]Posted by: Mitochondrion Do you know what a scientific theory is?[/quote] Yes.[/quote] Could you explain it to me, please? Yes, I could, but I'm not going to... [quote] An argument that doesn't require observation or empirical evidence. [/quote] What's empirical evidence? And if that can be in [b]replacement[/b] of observation, then even [b]YOU[/b] said you don't need observation! So haha, You agree with me! [quote][quote]And anyway, we can only see the observable universe, yet we know that that isn't the whole universe, because of calculations the prove the universe is infinitely larger than the observable universe. How can this be seeing as they cannot observe it?[/quote] lol. How do we know that the universe extends beyond what's observable?[/quote] Because you can calculate that, based off the electromagnetic radiation we are receiving, that there must be more to the universe because there is still electromagnetic radiation traveling from there as it would otherwise mean that we have been here forever, but we haven't, hence the reason why electromagnetic radiation is [i]still[/i] traveling to us, therefore there must be more universe outside our observability.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mitochondrion I know that, but these theories come from calculations, not speculations, therefore the calculations make observations unnecessary as they have made this theory solely with calculations and therefore observation isn't important.[/quote] There isn't a scientist in the world that would agree with what you just said.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Conster 110 I like this theory, it intrigued me when I started to read some philosophy books. Can anyone remember who conceived this theory?[/quote] If you go off of Philosophy, quite a few philosophers spoke about such ideas. Kant, Hume, other philosophers from the Age of Enlightenment postulated on existence, observation, and, because of the timeframe, what that meant for the existence of a God or higher power.