[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cpt Nicholson Wow, those Infinity Class Cruisers are huge, I wonder how many there are?[/quote] They are not cruisers. Cruisers are about 1.2km long. Maybe less. Infinity is 3.5km long, I had a theory that they are likely new class of supercarriers. Since carrier and phoenix class is only known to be largest warships (roughly 2km long). It's safe enough to assert that supercarrier would be 3-4km long.

Wow, those Infinity Class Cruisers are huge, I wonder how many there are?

Honestly, I can't stand Glasslands. I could accept the rather foolish idea of ONI's to kill the Elites; I even.... was fine, I suppose, with Osman's character and her band of annoying misfits (every book has to have a person/group to dislike). However, I didn't care for Traviss' portrayal of the previously established characters. Halsey being an incompetent sobbing Sally? Her S-IIs basically giving her to the wolves, with no fight in them [b]whatsoever[/b]? Mendez suddenly acting all high and mighty about the S-IIIs? ONI being the group that takes the [b]moral high ground?[/b] I'm fine with having new authors do stuff for Halo, but I hope that 343i can at least [b]try[/b] to give a damn about Bungie's canon and not -blam!- all over it to make their's look better.

Need to get caught up on the Halo books. I've only read the first 3. *Sigh*

Pretty cool cover. Still have to get my hands on Grasslands, though.

I loved Glasslands. I hope they continue the excellent trend.

If Glasslands is the worst book so far then I'd love to see the best, mostly because I kinda liked Glasslands and don't understand the hate for it.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SEAL Sniper 9 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ElementL09 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SEAL Sniper 9 Hmm, interesting. I never read the first book and really don't plan on getting this one. But, who knows, we'll see. Frankie said they're releasing it before Halo 4 for a reason, so it may be worth taking a look at.[/quote] You should read it, it was written by Karen Traviss, she's an excellent writer and the book isn't bad, picks up right after Ghost of Onyx and Halo 3 and it has alot of interesting twist and turns and the characters are unique as well. If that is Osman then she's decked out in some fancy Mark V armor with Mark V-B helment.[/quote] Meh, I heard from a reliable source (the OP) to not bother with it. Traviss changes a wee bit too much for my liking. But, we'll see. I could be wrong and might like it.[/quote] Yeah, like suddenly Halsey and Mendez can't stand each other, Hood is a complete idiot and ignores a painfully obvious detail that ANYBODY with half a mind can get. Oh, and ONI sides with the Elites that would attack humanity without a second blink. I mean, I got this picture post Halo 3 is humanity rebuilding, a shattered military and economy. Now I'm getting this picture that ONI has an utterly massive fleet, army, and brand new shiny prototype tech. While at the same time, Earth is in ruins and they are trying to rebuild. Conflicting messages much? Oh, and ONI literally turned into a less sneaky Cerberus.[/quote] Think about this from a psychological point of view. A woman kidnaps a lot of children and makes the parents thing they're dead, and you train them and deprive them of their childhood and life they would have had. That takes its toll on you. Hell, in First Strike, it was even taking its toll on Halsey. Keep in mind also that during Ghosts of Onyx it was essentially all fighting and very little time to talk, now that is not that case. While she did jump the shark a bit, it isn't that bad. ONI sides with the Elites so they could get into a war with the other Elites and weaken the species as a whole, making it easier to possibly destroy. This one I see your point, but keep in mind they have always been sneaky bastards, and I didn't get that impression. I got the impression of they had some stuff in reserve that just wasn't ready to be utilized fully yet/to expensive to use, keep in mind there is a little time between Glasslands and the ending of Halo 3 as well which does give a LITTLE leeway with this stuff.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 Why has it been decided that Spartans can wear what ever color armor they want, even if it's dreadfully useless for combat? Or has the UNSC officially switched from olive-drab to "super fabulous purply-blue" as the combat colors for it's ground troops. Traviss, this isn't Republic Commando. Soldiers cant choose the colour of their damn armor. [/quote] Well, apparently in Halo 4's "canon MP" the Spartans get to pick weapon skins too.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SEAL Sniper 9 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ElementL09 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SEAL Sniper 9 Hmm, interesting. I never read the first book and really don't plan on getting this one. But, who knows, we'll see. Frankie said they're releasing it before Halo 4 for a reason, so it may be worth taking a look at.[/quote] You should read it, it was written by Karen Traviss, she's an excellent writer and the book isn't bad, picks up right after Ghost of Onyx and Halo 3 and it has alot of interesting twist and turns and the characters are unique as well. If that is Osman then she's decked out in some fancy Mark V armor with Mark V-B helment.[/quote] Meh, I heard from a reliable source (the OP) to not bother with it. Traviss changes a wee bit too much for my liking. But, we'll see. I could be wrong and might like it.[/quote] Yeah, like suddenly Halsey and Mendez can't stand each other, Hood is a complete idiot and ignores a painfully obvious detail that ANYBODY with half a mind can get. Oh, and ONI sides with the Elites that would attack humanity without a second blink. I mean, I got this picture post Halo 3 is humanity rebuilding, a shattered military and economy. Now I'm getting this picture that ONI has an utterly massive fleet, army, and brand new shiny prototype tech. While at the same time, Earth is in ruins and they are trying to rebuild. Conflicting messages much? Oh, and ONI literally turned into a less sneaky Cerberus.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 Why has it been decided that Spartans can wear what ever color armor they want, even if it's dreadfully useless for combat? Or has the UNSC officially switched from olive-drab to "super fabulous purply-blue" as the combat colors for it's ground troops. Traviss, this isn't Republic Commando. Soldiers cant choose the colour of their damn armor. [/quote] Noble team did. The ODST team did.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 Why has it been decided that Spartans can wear what ever color armor they want, even if it's dreadfully useless for combat? [b]Or has the UNSC officially switched from olive-drab to "super fabulous purply-blue" as the combat colors for it's ground troops.[/b] Traviss, this isn't Republic Commando. Soldiers cant choose the colour of their damn armor.[/quote] The UNSC is now the Covenant, it was all an ONI cover-up! o_O

Why has it been decided that Spartans can wear what ever color armor they want, even if it's dreadfully useless for combat? Or has the UNSC officially switched from olive-drab to "super fabulous purply-blue" as the combat colors for it's ground troops. Traviss, this isn't Republic Commando. Soldiers cant choose the colour of their damn armor. [Edited on 05.19.2012 6:35 AM PDT]

I think it looks pretty cool. I can't wait to read it when it comes out.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ninjakenzen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra Thought the theme of Glasslands was that "No lessons taught by the Great Schism were learned and that more murder is a-okay!"[/quote] ^yeah but thats crap. I'll give some examples of what I'm thinking of. -How about the idea beheld the Covenant being a collective of races and the extent of which their species served in a heirachy. -The importance and signficance of humanity's mightiest military homeworld falling down due to unbearable odds regardless of humanities best efforts? -The importance of the MAC stations on Reach and how crucial it is protecting the Generators on ground. The relationship between the ground units and above air units working as one on Reach. -The extent of how ultimatly the SPARTANS were ineffective at defending Reach? The symbolism beheld how they couldn't defend their own homes and ran [The idea of how they were force to leave beheld everything they stood for or die] How Reach was a numbers game. Pretty much links back to my 2nd example. -The extent beheld Kurt as a character,[Lead of GoO] How his personality shaped the S-IIIs and how no other SPARTAN-II could have done what Kurt achieved. -How Halsey establishes her character when meeting the S-IIIs, the extent to which she is effective at winning over the S-IIIs respect as a civillian and to measure the significance of why she needed their respect and admiration. There are so many more examples. Halo Post Reach could have been a place worth discussing such ideas in a newer series. But the drivel that 343i pours out makes it pretty dry. So it's just "Reach sucks, Noble team is..., Is jun alive thread etc" on the Bu boards. It's because there's nothing worth discussing in the new books. It just gives us context. These are topics worth reading and discussing besides the blad sci-fi storyline of humans beat covenant, now elites fight humans, oh no what happens now? S-IVs are formed so we can have fighting chance etc etc. I'm mainly refering to ROBERTO jh comment. Meh. If you read literature beyond Halo, you would understand that their is more to a book beyond what happens in a timeline. Yes we get stuff in Glassland. Such as the future of Elite and Human relations. But it's done so poorly that we just accept it as that's that. Forerunner trilogy has a wealth of discussion but to me just doesn't feel Halo. That's my personal preferance. But it's a great series to get into but just ain't my thing. [/quote] >Bear in mind I'm not positive on what you're trying to say Haven't seen this thread in an eternity so I'm a little out. But what exactly were you expecting? [i]2001?[/i] A Sheakespeare tragedy? Complex though this universe is, you can't just expect every story have an incredibly deep or philosophical undertones. I think that Halo's done well enough in that regard already actually; but sometimes you just have to chill out, lay back and enjoy the show. Not everything has to be [i]The Matrix[/i] for it to be good, that's a very elitist thought (and in fact supports my personal belief that having a literary major magically turns a person into an elitist snob). But more importantly, Bungie was never making [i]2002[/i] either, there stories were mostly context with some thematic undertones as well. So what difference is there all of a sudden? To make a jump, Traviss, for example, is critically lauded for the exact things that this forum says she can not do, which is write characters. She doesn't write [i]for ze art[/i] or for the philosophical merit, she writes the psychology and thoughts of people in impossible situations and let's the depth flow naturally. You'd think that she of all people being a defense corrospondant and succesful journalist would know a thing or two about people in war, and more importantly, how to psychoanalyze them. Barring the plothole of Halsey getting Spartan punched, I have yet to hear a solid reason why the entire novel is terrible and ruins the story forever. I've almost come to the conclusion that I must have read a different book, or at the very least, went into the book with completely different expectations. But really, I just have to know: what is the difference between 343i's contextual "drivel and Bungie's likwise contextual "drivel" (an Elitist word, that). Why is Halo suddenly terrible when from a thematic position nothing has really changed? I may be completely misinterpretting your post, but that's what I got out of it. [Edited on 05.19.2012 6:03 AM PDT]

looks like the "infinity", 4 Halcyons, 3 Frigates, Osman in her Mk VII armor next all in orbit above sanghelios.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra Thought the theme of Glasslands was that "No lessons taught by the Great Schism were learned and that more murder is a-okay!"[/quote] ^yeah but thats crap. I'll give some examples of what I'm thinking of. -How about the idea beheld the Covenant being a collective of races and the extent of which their species served in a heirachy. -The importance and signficance of humanity's mightiest military homeworld falling down due to unbearable odds regardless of humanities best efforts? -The importance of the MAC stations on Reach and how crucial it is protecting the Generators on ground. The relationship between the ground units and above air units working as one on Reach. -The extent of how ultimatly the SPARTANS were ineffective at defending Reach? The symbolism beheld how they couldn't defend their own homes and ran [The idea of how they were force to leave beheld everything they stood for or die] How Reach was a numbers game. Pretty much links back to my 2nd example. -The extent beheld Kurt as a character,[Lead of GoO] How his personality shaped the S-IIIs and how no other SPARTAN-II could have done what Kurt achieved. -How Halsey establishes her character when meeting the S-IIIs, the extent to which she is effective at winning over the S-IIIs respect as a civillian and to measure the significance of why she needed their respect and admiration. There are so many more examples. Halo Post Reach could have been a place worth discussing such ideas in a newer series. But the drivel that 343i pours out makes it pretty dry. So it's just "Reach sucks, Noble team is..., Is jun alive thread etc" on the Bu boards. It's because there's nothing worth discussing in the new books. It just gives us context. These are topics worth reading and discussing besides the blad sci-fi storyline of humans beat covenant, now elites fight humans, oh no what happens now? S-IVs are formed so we can have fighting chance etc etc. I'm mainly refering to ROBERTO jh comment. Meh. If you read literature beyond Halo, you would understand that their is more to a book beyond what happens in a timeline. Yes we get stuff in Glassland. Such as the future of Elite and Human relations. But it's done so poorly that we just accept it as that's that. Forerunner trilogy has a wealth of discussion but to me just doesn't feel Halo. That's my personal preferance. But it's a great series to get into but just ain't my thing. [Edited on 05.05.2012 7:03 PM PDT]

Some guy on the Waypoint forums believes that Noble 6 survived because the Spartan on this cover has similar armour...

Thought the theme of Glasslands was that "No lessons taught by the Great Schism were learned and that more murder is a-okay!"

^It's already in those books. But those examples are general to every story in every Halo [Might I just add Sci-Fi] books. I'm thinking more specific, more thought out concepts. If you think Karen Traviss covered it to greater depth than lol. Unless you're talking about Greg Bear. But than I read Halo books for the Universe the Humans live in as the main focus. His strength lies in the amount of detail he put into the Forerunners and their story. But erm? When I talk about Halo story. I'm talking about post-2500. Anything else is just backstory. This period is where Halo really lies. [Edited on 05.05.2012 6:14 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ninjakenzen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE See, I told you guys Noble Six obviously survived! :D[/quote] Haha :) In all honesty though this is really really meh. After the lackluster Glassland it really isn't looking good. Hopefully it doesn't end of as another "Skip it, not worth reading. Read the summary" Type. Ah well, to be honest I don't really care about the story anymore. I'll just take Halo 4's story with a pinch of salt like any other video-game. FoR,FS,GoO, CH all had something pretty special about the THEMES they were encompassing, something with real discussional value. Now it's all CONTEXT. That is basically dragged out solely for the promotion for 343i Halo workhorse. MEH. [/quote] End of your civilization, faith vs. reality and ethics of bioengineering aren't worthy themes? They seem to be following the same themes the previous stories have told, just more in depth.

I hope they all die, every single character introduced in Glasslands. Obviously not the recurring ones like Hood and Halsey...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoolCJ24 I'm hoping Jul gets his butt kicked by the Arbiter, simple as. I hope Avu doesn't get killed though, he's not as bad. [/quote] Avu is a religious fanatic.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE See, I told you guys Noble Six obviously survived! :D[/quote] Haha :) In all honesty though this is really really meh. After the lackluster Glassland it really isn't looking good. Hopefully it doesn't end of as another "Skip it, not worth reading. Read the summary" Type. Ah well, to be honest I don't really care about the story anymore. I'll just take Halo 4's story with a pinch of salt like any other video-game. FoR,FS,GoO, CH all had something pretty special about the THEMES they were encompassing, something with real discussional value. Now it's all CONTEXT. That is basically dragged out solely for the promotion for 343i Halo workhorse. MEH. [Edited on 05.05.2012 4:54 PM PDT]

Now wouldn't it be a twist if that was Six on the cover?\ Looks just like him as he appears in the world premiere trailer for Reach. [Edited on 05.05.2012 3:38 PM PDT]